Chinese woman forced to have abortion.

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I don't have the words to describe how horrendous this is to me. :(

If they are that damn determined w/ their stupid one child law.... sterilze the woman right after she gives birth to her first child. That would be a hell of a lot more humane than this crap.

Tabitha - posted on 10/18/2011

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Brittany so do you agree that it is ok to enforce that law by murdering any child that is conceived that is over the limit allowed? I would much rather see woman be sterilized after their first birth, i hope that most here would agree.

Tabitha - posted on 10/18/2011

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Being communists does not justify MURDER, because that is what it is MURDER MURDER MURDER. Aborting a child that is over the viable age of 24 weeks that has no health problems or complications is MURDER. I don't care if you are pro-choice or pro-life it is deeply disturbing that any government no matter what type is able to MURDER an innocent baby.

Kate CP - posted on 10/17/2011

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Okay, I'll give you that.

I guess I'm just jaded about anything I see from a pro-life site. :/

Kate CP - posted on 10/17/2011

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While I do agree it's awful and horrible I do have to point out that it's from a pro-life website and thus the article is probably a little skewed?

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Brittany - posted on 10/22/2011

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A Market Economy is just a couple steps above being a Social Economy.

As far as ANY economy goes, they all work, without corruption. Once one throws in corruption then you have issues.

Many people get angry with President Obama because, he is spending and people want him to stop spending. Well Economics does not work that way. It is, one might say, ass backwards. With any business venture one must spend money to make money.

If you were to decide you wanted to open a video rental store. You can not just to a supplier and demand shelves, movies and other merchandise. You must spend your own money to make a profit. In many cases people do not see profit in a business for the first 2 to 3 years.

Although running a super power of the world is a bit different, it is the same principle.

Jennifer - posted on 10/21/2011

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For clarification...I misworded previously. I meant to say we are more Socialist than Democratic. I would be scared to see how high prices could go if there were no regulations...even though there aren't many. In regards to this particular post, money talks and **** walks. A country that is so well off and depended on by others doesn't feel they have to bow to the same humanitarian rules.

Brittany - posted on 10/19/2011

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@Jennifer,

If you are speaking about America, then No ma'am we are not a Socialist Economy but, in many aspect we are moving that way.

As of right now we are, what some may refer to, a Market Economy and to more on key a Mixed Market Economy.

What this means, in a nut shell, is that our economy is driven by open market forces, ironically these are private markets, and Government Market Forces, which are the public markets.

Going back, before my time, to Nixon is a good example of Government Force. Nixon and The Congress instituted a wage and price control on a vast number of items. Meaning that prices of certain good and wages of certain employees were not allowed to rise past a certain percentage. This law is not used today but, the Government still does have control to use this law, should they feel the need to.

If anyone remembers, when gas prices were going crazy, many members of Government wanted to cap the price of Gas and say it can only hit this amount and go no higher regardless of price per barrel. Milk prices are another example. Farmers can, and have been, told they can only charge this amount for milk regardless of cost to produce it.

Going back to gas for a moment, in New Jersey a gas station can not raise their gas prices more than twice in a 24 hour period. I know this was in effect in 2010 and it may still be used as of today.

The problem with this is that to say we can set prices freely as long as those prices are within the confines of the law shows that we can not set prices freely.

The big difference between Socialism and a Market Economy (sometimes referred to as a Market Socialism) is the existence of a market for the means of production and capital goods.

Economics is extremely confusing and if I sound like I am going in circles or I have completely confused you please ask questions. I do the best I can when I talk about Economics but, sometimes when I re-read what I have wrote I confuse myself. If there is anything I can make more clear please please, ask.

Corinne - posted on 10/19/2011

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I'm not in the least bit shocked. I was learning about this in high school and seeing as I left there 15yrs ago... We had to watch a docu called China's Child, it's horrible. There was a video rattling around on FB the other day of a baby girl being run over multiple times and no one bats an eye, it's normal for baby girls to be abandoned, sick and cruel.

Jane - posted on 10/19/2011

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@Sharon C F - But did your friend come from mainland China? Taiwan? Hong Kong? Taipei? These are all called "China" but only mainland China has the one-child rule.

Jennifer - posted on 10/19/2011

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@Brittany So what you're explaining is that we are a Socialist economy...correct? It truly appears that way.

Sara - posted on 10/19/2011

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I'm just going to put it out there that "Lifenews" has a very clear agenda and their stuff tends to not be completely accurate. Having said that, there are HORRIBLE things that are happening to families and women in China. It's very sad. But something like this is the other side of the coin to the pro-life movement. The government can't and shouldn't be the ones to tell you if you have to have an abortion or make it illegal to have one.

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I'm in Arizona. My friend came to the U.S. (legally) in 2004 because she won a University scholarship. She already filed her citizenship papers.

Kate CP - posted on 10/18/2011

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From what I understand of the Chinese law you can have one child "free" and any other child you have you have to pay yearly to the state for.

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I'll have to ask my Chinese friend why she has a sister then. She's 35 years old, her sister is 32. I taught with her last year. I wonder is you can apply for having a 2nd child? I'll have to call her tomorrow!

Tina - posted on 10/18/2011

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As much as I disagree with abortions and the choice of the government for forcing this woman to abort. What's more ridiculous is that everyday children are being sold because families just can't cope these children end up abused as slaves. What is the Government doing about that.

Brittany - posted on 10/18/2011

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I just talked to my husband about this and he made a very good point.

In all honesty this poor woman and mother was put to death on purpose. The doctors were possibly told not to do anything to save her life. YES the CRC can get away with this! They were told not to save her life or do anything to save her life.

In all truth and science this woman should have survived the operation.

Like I said, this woman was not looked at as a mother, she was looked at as a law breaking citizen who needed to pay for her actions.

CRC controls EVERYTHING in China.

Brittany - posted on 10/18/2011

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As a side note:

While we may think it to be inhumane there is not law that restricts the time at which a woman can have an abortion. Sex-selective abortion in China is prohibited but, parents can pay to be old the sex of their child. They do not have to give a reason for the abortion. Abortions have been performed as late as 8 months, after the family found a doctor who would tell them the sex of the child. The child was female and aborted a few days later. For every 100 girls born in China about 120 boys are born. America's statistics very from year to year but, typically more boys are born then girls.

Tabitha - posted on 10/18/2011

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And i wrote that before i saw your above post so you are welcome to disregard :)

Brittany - posted on 10/18/2011

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I said in a perfect world it works, we do not live in a perfect world.

@ Tabitha,

Yes, in America it is murder. It is horrible and I do not agree with it but, that is the policy in China. You are only allowed one child. There is an insane amount of children in orphanages in China. I truly dislike saying this but, it is the law there. The CPC does not see it as murder, what they see is a woman who broke the law and since she refused to have an abortion at her own will, they forced one. They look at her as a law breaking citizen. To be honest, should she have lived, she would have been imprisoned and possibly put to death for breaking the law.

I am not agreeing with it or trying to justify the actions just, simply stating the truth,

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT!! This could easily be America.

I can not stress this enough:

THE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF THE GOVERNMENT, THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE AFRAID OF ITS PEOPLE!

Brittany - posted on 10/18/2011

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@Emma,

To be exact the first known case of AIDS came from, what we know now, as the Democratic Republic of Congo.

The "Hunter" theory is believed to be true. HIV is a lentivirus and lentiviruses are part of a larger group of viruses called retroviruses. Lentivirus means "slow virus".

Investigating where HIV comes from lead to a virus called SIV, Simian Immunodeficiency Virus, and it affects monkeys. This virus is believed to be about 32,000 years old. The two are linked because a strain of SIV called SIVcpz is almost 100% identical to HIV.

A virus can and will jump from specie to specie. Normally when a human comes into contact with a virus from a different specie our bodies will reject it and fight it off. However, depending on how advanced that virus is, it will interact with humans and create a new virus that we can not fend off.

"The Hunter" theory states that human was out hunting chimps and the blood of a chimp infected with SIVcpz got into the human. This could have been done through an open wound or eating, any body fluid contact. The SIVcpz virus did not die but, mutated into HIV which, we all know, causes AIDS.

The whole one child thing would not work in American because, we have right and freedoms, in China they do not have rights and freedoms like we do. They have a serious over population issue (like we don't or something) and the one child law is a way for them to solve it. They could say no children.

Lacye - posted on 10/18/2011

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This is a terrible thing, but I hate to say that it doesn't surprise me.

Stifler's - posted on 10/18/2011

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There is also like no freedom of information and apparently you can't even choose how many kids you want.

Stifler's - posted on 10/18/2011

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Obviously communism doesn't work as the whole of china is opressed by ridiculous laws and isn't allowed facebook.

Brittany - posted on 10/18/2011

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While no one here would agree with this, Pro-Life or Pro-Choice, we must remember that China is NOT a Democrat state, like America. We have rights and freedoms here. While China is trying to move to being a Democratic State, and talks with President Obama are frequent, it will take some time.

China is a communist state. Not to be confused with socialist state. They are different.

Socialism is the idea that the working class, the class that produces the profits, the wealth, the cars, houses, planes, steel, should take over and run things collectively, democratically, for the benefit of the majority (who also "just happen" to be workers too).

Communism is the idea that society should not have classes - exploiters and exploited, oppressors and oppressed, and so on.

Socialism generally refers to an economic system, while communism refers to both an economic and political system.

Socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control.

Communism seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively, and that control over the distribution of property is centralized in order to achieve both classlessness and statelessness.

Both socialism and communism are based on the principle that the goods and services produced in an economy should be owned publicly, and controlled and planned by a centralized organization.

Socialism says that the distribution should take place according to the amount of an individual's production efforts, whilst communism asserts that that goods and services should be distributed among the populace according to individuals' needs.

In a perfect world communism works but, then you have corruption embed itself and all hell breaks loose. The same could be said about Democracy as well.

Stifler's - posted on 10/18/2011

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What the fuck kind of law is "you can only have one kid i'm going to sterilise you after you've had one child... "????

Denikka - posted on 10/18/2011

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I agree with Teresa. Steralize after the birth of the first child...that would stop a lot of these problems. Then, if something happens to the first born, adopt from one of the orphanages.
Nothing in this world surprises me anymore. Hardly anything shocks me. This is just sad. Sickening and sad. . .

Janessa - posted on 10/18/2011

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Sad story but there do have a billions of people in china there taking everyones resources. By the way money talks the UN is made of wealthy countries that control everyone else. Anyways my point is embargo would never happen to china because it is a powerful country not like Haiti where there can't do nothing. Also this is the way the world is we are over populated so the wealthy elites have ways to kill people without us not ever knowing like the Aids viruse where do you think that came from?

Constance - posted on 10/18/2011

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China has their own laws. It doesn't make it right because it should be a woman's choice and noone else's. But in China they do have a law that only one child per mom and dad. Men are asses so they only want boys. I don't think they should have a right to choose which gender they are going to keep.

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Remember the babygirl who was just left to die(she did die) at the side of a foot path in China.?



People walked by like it was normal.

I would rather abort a baby than have it left in that manner.All because the innocent child was female.



Sorry but aborting is better than meeting your child and having them ripped from your arms and dumped to die.In the case i saw on the paper that is.It still happens i am sure of that.

Kellie - posted on 10/17/2011

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I daresay it's true Kate, Pro-Life Website or not. Something like this really isn't all that skewable, I mean even with the way Pro-Lifers get all, well you know and try to make things worse than what they are with all their propaganda and guilt trips, you can't really make something like this seem/sound worse than what it is because it really is that bad/nasty.

The Chinese (government) are a different breed.....

Stifler's - posted on 10/17/2011

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That is fucked up. Totally against human rights. I have no idea why the UN can go on with shit about Iraq disarming but they're not stepping in when these kind of laws are made.

Tara - posted on 10/17/2011

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This is just one of thousands of stories Brianna, this has been going on for longer than I have been on this planet, that's 37 years, and longer. This has it's roots deep in the chinese economical and cultural history. As barbaric as it sounds and as awful as it is for those who experience it, this is their law, these are there ways of enforcing that law. Unlike Canada and the US China does not rely on foreign money to keep their economy afloat, they in fact have loaned billions and billions to the US, there is nothing any other country in the world can do, unless they were to all band together and place an embargo on China, which would do nothing except send their economy and their country back into the communist quagmire that is is just now pulling out of.
Sad but true and will remain so for a long long time.

Jane - posted on 10/17/2011

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China wants zero population growth and they mean it. It has been going on a long time and, like laws everywhere, isn't always applied uniformly. Some women manage to make it through a pregnancy long enough that the child, if a girl, ends up in an orphanage, facing either early death or adoption by a foreign family, while others are discovered early enough that abortion is possible.

It is a codification of a cultural tradition that dates back centuries, wherein girls cost money to marry off and were lost to their husband's family but boys brought dowry money into the family an carried on the family name and history. Excess girls were disposed of in many ways, including being killed at birth, sold as slaves or concubines, or simply abandoned somewhere.

This isn't how America or Europe does things, but none of our countries has enough power to impose anything on China against its will. We have other bones of contention with China, including how they treat prisoners, the lack of adequate inspection and regulation of products, and other things. But as a huge population, China has great power.

Sherri - posted on 10/17/2011

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What exactly to you purpose we do Brianna???

Although it makes me sick. With the one child law in place, honestly I am in no way surprised.

Charlie - posted on 10/17/2011

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It's been happening for a very long time worse still because their society treasures boys girls ( and hence partners for their sons ) are becoming scarce leading to increased kidnappings in daughters.

Brianna - posted on 10/17/2011

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omg... this is soo horrible i had no idea that they did this.. i mean i new there was a 1 child law but i just thought they would have to pay a big fine or something if they had another kid.. how can the countrys like usa and canada not stop china from doing stuff like this??? is it not mass murder of babies!?

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