Christmas Poem gone awry

Dana - posted on 11/16/2009 ( 26 moms have responded )

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Twas the month before Christmas*



*When all through our land,*



*Not a Christian was praying*



*Nor taking a stand.*



*See the PC Police had taken away,*



*The reason for Christmas - no one could say.*



*The children were told by their schools not to sing,*



*About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.*



*It might hurt people's feelings, the teachers would say*



* December 25th is just a ' Holiday '.*



*Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit*



*Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it!*



*CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-pod*



*Something was changing, something quite odd! *



*Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa*



*In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.*



*As Targets were hanging their trees upside down*



* At Lowe's the word Christmas - was no where to be found.*



*At K-Mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears*



*You won't hear the word Christmas; it won't touch your ears.*



*Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty*



*Are words that were used to intimidate me.*



*Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen*



*On Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton !*



*At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter*



*To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.*



*And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith*



* Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace*



*The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded*



*The reason for the season, stopped before it started.*



*So as you celebrate 'Winter Break' under your 'Dream Treee'*



*Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.*



*Choose your words carefully, choose what you say*



*Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS ,



not Happy Holiday !*



Please, all Christians join together and



wish everyone you meet during the



holidays a



MERRY CHRISTMAS



Christ is The Reason for the Christ-mas Season!



Now, I saw this poem and while reading it I did understand the annoyance of getting rid of the word Christmas. It annoys me I say, Say them all!! Shout it from the roof tops, it's Christmas, time for love and happiness and good feelings. And, that brings me to my point. This poem in NOT about Christmas, it's full of hate and ill will. I can't believe someone could take a lovely Christmas story and turn it into more hate speech and then to act as if it's the Christian thing to do! Reminds me of one of those emails I get, Pass this on if you're a good Christian who believes in God otherwise you'll burn in hell!!!! Now those emails don't say that you'll burn in hell but the implication is there, if you don't then you're not a true Christian, hence you'll burn in hell like the rest of them.

Anyhow, I just felt that this was so far from what true Christians felt about Christmas. What are your thoughts, Christian or not and if not........well you know what'll happen to you anyhow. lol

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Quoting dana:



Quoting Traci:

Where exactly is the "hate speech" here?






The WHOLE thing is hateful.  Bitching about the different stores, about Kwanzaa and Ramadan.  Which begs the question why is it just a Muslim and African-American holiday mentioned.  I mean really who give two flying figs if people say Happy Ramadan or Happy Kwanzaa (not sure if Happy Ramadan is the proper greeting.  lol)  Then to bitch about Wolf Blitzer,Franken, Fonda.  It takes a Christmas story and the wonderful feeling of Christmas and turns it into one big ole bitch fest. 






 






Like I said, I find it as annoying as the next person.  I'll always say Merry Christmas because that's what I celebrate, as a Christian.  I just don't find the need to tear down someone or something to feel better about my Holiday greeting.  It undermines the whole point of Christmas.





There's also the lines



*Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty*

*Are words that were used to intimidate me.*



I mean, really...When did diversity become a bad thing or an intimidation tactic?

Esther - posted on 11/17/2009

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I posted this before but it seems to have gone missing. I still need to get it out though so I'm posting again, at the risk of the original reappearing again later.



I say Merry Christmas. But I really don't care if someone says happy holidays either. And I think this sense of persecution that these type of "Christians" seem to feel is absolutely ridiculous. No politician in this country can ever be elected without screaming from every rooftop what a good "Christian" they are. We will have a black woman president LONG before we'll ever have an atheist president. There would not be a horrible policy like DADT without these "Christians" running their agenda. So they apparently think it's perfectly OK to deny a sizeable part of the population their right to the pursuit of happiness (and honesty), but god forbid someone should say "happy holidays" to them. Boo-freaking-hoo.

Isobel - posted on 11/16/2009

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I have never worked or gone to school where I was not allowed to say Merry Christmas, I always tell everybody Merry Christmas (even though I am not Christian) unless I know that the person I'm speaking to celebrates a different holiday. At my kids school they celebrate and learn about Christmas AND hanukkah AND Kwanza, AND Chinese New Year...I think that's the way it should be. Don't get rid of one, celebrate them all!



I also think that it's amusing that the writer of this poem is so upset about stores being non-denominational...they are not churches, they are businesses, they will make the most amount of money by appealing the the highest number of people. Why should K-Mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears care about ANY religious holidays? Their only job is to create profit.

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Dana - posted on 11/18/2009

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No it doesn't specifically attack anyone,it just singles out kwanzaa and Ramadan. I'm reading between the lines. :)

Isobel - posted on 11/18/2009

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Quoting dana:



Quoting Laura:

well... I agree that those terms are rude, small minded and "hateful", they don't attack any one protected group in particular (I don't think it meets hate speech requirements). They just attack tolerance in general...I know a lot of Christians who believe that this kind of speech is in total opposition to their religion.






I disagree. 






 




hate speech


speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation


I'm confused...the poem doesn't attack anybody on the basis of their race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation...it just whines that tolerance is no good.





*therefore, while it IS hateful, I don't think it qualifies for the legal definition of hate speech... since no particular group was attacked.

Angie - posted on 11/18/2009

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I agree with Sharon! But I'm sorry I am going to have to laugh...I thought this poem was quite funny and sometimes accurate! Too many people get butt hurt over stupid things and takes things too literal...Lighten up, seriously!!!!!!

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:::YAWN::: Oh here we go again :-)



The poem is silly, but hey, free speech is free speech. I agree with parts of it, disagree with other parts.



If you are a devout Christian, I can totally understand the bashing part of this poem because you honor Christmas in a religious manner and a serious day, along with the meaning of family, Christ, yadda, yadda, yadda. When you say Merry Christmas to someone in general conversation, you assume that the receiver actually does celebrate Christmas. This is the part where non-Chrstians, like myself, do get offended. But I blow it off and don't make an issue out of it. I am not rude or disrespectful, but I tend to reply back with an all-inclusive "Happy Holidays". After all, 'tis the season, no matter what you celebrate (or don't celebrate).

Jocelyn - posted on 11/17/2009

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Ug, I could care less "how" people tell me to have a good time; I just like the fact that not all ppl are pricks and some people still want to spread joy! I generally say merry Christmas (that's what I grew up saying, and my family does celebrate Christmas, but I also celebrate the Solstice). I think that instead of trying to be all PC about everything, that we should go in the other direction and celebrate ALL of it! Chrisramakwanzukah it is! People are too touchy these days, and it's the select few that are trying to suck the fun out of the holidays... I have come across a few ppl that are hard core "Christ"mas Christians and I always get a kick out of explaining how all their Christmas traditions are originally Pagan (in a nice way, I'm not rude about it, but when they find out that I celebrate the Solstice they get all "omg" about it :S )
I will celebrate what ever I want, and I will decorate how ever I want. And my neighbor can do the same. Who cares if it is different shaped star that they put up on their door!?

Dana - posted on 11/17/2009

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Quoting Laura:

well... I agree that those terms are rude, small minded and "hateful", they don't attack any one protected group in particular (I don't think it meets hate speech requirements). They just attack tolerance in general...I know a lot of Christians who believe that this kind of speech is in total opposition to their religion.



I disagree. 



 



hate speech





speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation

Isobel - posted on 11/17/2009

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well... I agree that those terms are rude, small minded and "hateful", they don't attack any one protected group in particular (I don't think it meets hate speech requirements). They just attack tolerance in general...I know a lot of Christians who believe that this kind of speech is in total opposition to their religion.

Dana - posted on 11/17/2009

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Quoting Traci:

Where exactly is the "hate speech" here?



The WHOLE thing is hateful.  Bitching about the different stores, about Kwanzaa and Ramadan.  Which begs the question why is it just a Muslim and African-American holiday mentioned.  I mean really who give two flying figs if people say Happy Ramadan or Happy Kwanzaa (not sure if Happy Ramadan is the proper greeting.  lol)  Then to bitch about Wolf Blitzer,Franken, Fonda.  It takes a Christmas story and the wonderful feeling of Christmas and turns it into one big ole bitch fest. 



 



Like I said, I find it as annoying as the next person.  I'll always say Merry Christmas because that's what I celebrate, as a Christian.  I just don't find the need to tear down someone or something to feel better about my Holiday greeting.  It undermines the whole point of Christmas.

Krista - posted on 11/17/2009

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To be honest, I AM quite annoyed at taking away our Christian Christmas, when in all truth, we could have just incorporated all other religions. What I DON'T like is that all these other nations and countries have not changed THEIR holidays. I don't stop myself from wishing someone a Merry Christmas, but I also incorporate many of the other sayings when I know they're appropriate.
That being said, nothing changes my Christmas for me. It's still the same old, jolly time of year that it always is. I delight in the Christmas lights.....I smile at the Christmas songs (my mall still plays all the wonderful Christian songs like Come all Ye Faithful) and I delight in Christmas morning with my kids. For me, nothing can bring down the true nature of Christmas.

?? - posted on 11/16/2009

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My brother says Happy Bermuda Triangle or Merry Antlantis Day or something ridiculous like that...



As for the poems... some of them are annoying, some of them are witty, some of them are just plain stupid... I think it depends on who you are and what it may mean to you...

~Jennifer - posted on 11/16/2009

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I think everyone's far too PC over the holidays, and eveyone needs to back up and just let people enjoy. Blessed Yule, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa / Bodhi Day / Boxing Day / Al-Hijra. I'll return a Mery Christmas with a huge smile if one is offered to me, I'll say Blessed Yule in reply to 'Happy Holidays'.

I think that trees, nativity scenes, menorahs and anything else that represents a belief in the holiday season should be allowed on public property. I think that if a resident of the area feels that strongly about what is represented, they should offer to put up a display of their own and shut up about everyone else's representations being there.....it ticks me off that I don't see the Norman Rockwell small-town holiday decorations anymore - I think it makes everything more beautiful, and it's a perfect time to celebrate our diverstiy. Why people argue over decorations and symbols in what is supposed to be a season of peace, is completely beyond me.

Isobel - posted on 11/16/2009

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Joy...I am offended...I personally have always celebrated Chrisramakwanzukah! ;P

JL - posted on 11/16/2009

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The poem is stupid and the writers lack of understanding of the reality that no one is preventing any Christians from celebrating the birth of baby Jesus during Christmas even though that is not when he was born makes it offensively stupid. The reactions from everyone including the paranoid Christians running around saying God is being taken out of everything.... as if things have always been filled with God and holy scriptures tacted up everywhere.... is what enforces the need to be PC. No one is helping eliminate the overwrought PC fest by sending out stupid poems like this one. Anyways... I hope everyone has a Happy HanuRamaKwanzMas this year :)



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Jodi - posted on 11/16/2009

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I think you guys must have a much more politically correct society than us for this to have become an issue......I don't even think twice about whether to say Merry Christmas. I just do, and so does everyone else :)

Lindsay - posted on 11/16/2009

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I can remember the Christmas that I was very pregnant with Madeline and working at a restaurant, and got in trouble for saying "Merry Christmas". Yes, it bothered me because I wouldn't take offense for someone saying "Happy Holidays","Happy Kwanza", or whatever the hell they wanted. That is, unless it was something just utterly disrespectful. The man that complained on my greeting, had also looked at my very pregnant belly and asked, "was it fun?". I found his comment far more questionable than mine since I had never seen him before in my life!
Anyway, the poem is one of those things that once again, makes Christians look bad. It's not a good representation of Christians.
I say celebrate however you want. Believe what you want. And leave everyone else out of it. The stores need a sort of PCness to bring in the most costomers and pay thier employees. No one is telling anyone how to celebrate in their own homes or even in their own communities. To each his own! =)

Sharon - posted on 11/16/2009

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I wear a button that says "Its ok to say Merry Christmas!"

I LOVE IT!! EVERYONE says merry christmas to me. If they are wearing a jewish star or a kwanza button that is what I say back to them. If someone wishes me a "happy kwanza" I say "merry christmas" back. No one has gotten upset, no one has been pissy.

Screw the political commentators and all the bullshit. Its CHRISTMAS. Its only a political issue because our fucktard politicians make it that way.

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*gag* This is stupid. I understand the annoyance at people eliminating "Merry Christmas," although lots of times I say "Happy Holidays" myself, because I'll start saying it around Thanksgiving and keep saying it until after New Years, and that allows me to wish people well all the way through the holiday season. This is along the same lines as that poem about praying in school...People's rights are not being taken away in most cases-it's just the rest of us are actually being given our own rights.

Amie - posted on 11/16/2009

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No one's 100% sure when Jesus was born. It's pretty commonly accepted it wasn't December though. One of the most heard theories I've read about as to why Christmas is in December though is the Pagan winter solstice.

A theory that influenced a connection between Christmas and December 25 was the date of the Roman feasting. Since the festivities were founded on pagan practices, December 25 was not accepted by the church that time, but may have been chosen to coincide with the winter solstice which the ancient Romans celebrated.

Romans and Christians had little in common, but by the time of Constantine’s rule three centuries after Christ’s birth, changes have taken place. Constantine converted to Christianity and played an important part in deciding when the birth of Jesus would be celebrated.

The first mention of December 25 as the date of Jesus birth is found in the early Roman calendar from A.D. 336, in which Christmas was celebrated in Rome itself, and the old Roman and pagan festivals passed out. As years rolled on, the birth of Christ is inculcated upon the holiday, and so it is “Christmas.”

As for this poem, I can understand being upset. I understand the reasons behind not saying Merry Christmas or having it pinned up everywhere in public places. HOWEVER there is no law that forbids a person or family from saying it to other people. If people choose to do that it is their own doing. Even after Merry Christmas and the Christmas play was taken out of our public areas here our family still said it. It's officially Happy Holidays and a Winter play but we still identify it as a Christmas thing.

I don't think it's offended any person we've ever met. We are PC when needed, if we encounter some of our friends who don't celebrate or believe in Christmas we will say Happy Holidays but how the government has decided that PUBLIC sectors should operate it has not affected our PRIVATE lives.

This entire thing is just a waste of time for anyone with a head on their shoulders. If people can not understand it is about the public at large and not about how people celebrate privately in their homes I think we need to start anew, with those people getting an education again to begin with.

Sara - posted on 11/16/2009

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Wasn't Jesus actually born in June or something?



I'm with you on this one, Dana. I view Christmas as more of a manufactured Holiday, not truly a celebration of Christ to most people. I find poems like this extremely annoying as well...undermines the whole point.

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