Circumcision poll

Merry - posted on 09/13/2011 ( 296 moms have responded )

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This is a simple question, try to give simple answers :)
Are you for or against routine infant circumcision?
If you had a healthy baby boy would you circumcise him?

Yes, or No.
elaborate if you must but try to keep it concise :)

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"Circumcision is not wrong because you or few people on here think it is. It is only wrong if it wrong for YOUR family."

No, Sherri -- that is the point you continually miss. Routine infant circumcision is wrong because it is the intentional, cosmetic sexual mutilation of an unconsenting child, where there is no medical indication for performing it. It is a human rights violation and an ethical violation. I think what is most disappointing to me (and probably to all the other moms here) is that despite all the overwhelming evidence and arguments that all the women have given you here over the last year, you are still totally and completely unwilling to even CONSIDER that circumcision might be something other than your will to impose upon your perfect, beautiful child. And your attitude just comes across as simple pigheadedness to me rather than a deliberate consideration of the facts and a decision to go a different way. Which is very sad indeed. Not for you, but for your unborn son.

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And you know, they do fear it! When my baby was 9 months old, he had a series of horribly high fevers that caused seizures. They had to get a urine sample from a catheter. He was traumatized and would cry for months afterwards when it was diaper change time. He didn't forget it. Turns out it was severe inner ear infections. His intact penis had nothing to do with it despite several nurses telling me he 'probably' had UTI's from his foreskin. I sent a scathing letter to that hospital after we found the cause. What is it about a foreskin that frightens people and gods so? ( I add gods because apparently Yahweh and Allah have a freakout everytime they see one.)

Tracie - posted on 09/24/2011

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I read up on this a lot when my daughter was thinking about it for her son, turns out there are more nerve endings in that tiny piece of foreskin than anywhere else on the body (I think it was between 10 - 15,000!!!) Decreased sexual pleasure is a fact apparently,and more circumsised men need Viagra in later years because they loose sensation in it faster because of all the years of calousing the head (tip) of the penis. There's no cleaning involved in an un-circumsised one, It's self cleaning- I've never had problems with my two boys (oldest is nearly 8) I've never cleaned it- just washed around it like any other part. My daughter went along with her partner and did her son, a HORRIBLE Torture was inflicted on that precious perfect little boy who didn't need to go through such brutallity, and she would NEVER do it again, she regrets it deeply.

Jenni - posted on 09/24/2011

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And here's an interesting story... my husband use to suffer from reacurring UTIs when he was in his late teens. Most doctors would have reccommended circumcision and attributed the UTI's to his foreskin...



turns out he had Chrone's Disease which was causing bacteria to leak into his bladder. An operation for his Chrone's and he's never experienced a UTI since.

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Sherri you have...all your boys were intact before you circ'd them, they are not born with a circumcised penis!

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Ez - posted on 10/02/2011

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Time to bow out guys. Over 300 posts so we are locking this thread.
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Isobel - posted on 10/02/2011

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I don't judge women who do it. I know that you are all making decisions for your children that you THINK are best for them...and in truth, if they are going to live life being ridiculed for not having it done...who's to say you are wrong.



The fact is, however, that 85% of the world doesn't do it, it serves VERY little if any purpose and in fact OFTEN causes harm.



I, personally would love to see the day when people didn''t do it...it makes me sad that we feel the need to give our babies cosmetic surgery .



I am just grateful that I was born in a country and culture that didn't see fit to remove any part of my genitalia (to make it easier to clean or to give me a 0.000001% chance less of catching any particular disease which could easily be avoided through safe sex).

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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Right, but getting their shots and taking them to the dentist are medically necessary procedures. Circumcision isn't. Piercing isn't. So I just can't, for the life of me, understand why you'd put your babies through something painful if there isn't an existing medical need for it.

Seriously, I'm not trying to be rude. It just baffles the shit out of me. Why hurt your baby if you actually have a choice in the matter?

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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Trust me I have given my reasons a million times over but it has nothing to do with inflicting pain on them. I do not find pleasure in causing them discomfort. Anymore than I enjoy getting them their shots or taking them to the dentist.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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@Krista I am not into infliction pain on my children.

So why do it when you don't have to, then?

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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I don't mean to come across as pig headed about it at all. I strongly have my belief on this one and I just see it as no different than any other decision that I will have to make for them until they reach the age of 18. Until that point they have no say on any medical procedure, dental decision, school decision, discipline decision etc.

I get what many of you are saying and your reasons why. Which is why I will never knock another parents decision for not opting for circumcision. I just don't see any of the evidence or arguments compelling for my family. I also know that they will live a happy, sexually filled life with no complications and I know this by all the men in my life that had and have still very happy sexual lives and experiences who are circumcised. My husband, dad (damn wish I didn't hear about my mom's happy sex life, gag), brother, friends sexual lives trust me I hear about them probably more than I need. LOL.

If I saw that they would be unhappy or not able to live a life with normal active sex life than maybe it would be different.

I certainly do not think that in anyway is it a human rights violation or ethical violation that you will never convince me of.

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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I think the only thing that would change my mind is if it became illegal.



@Krista I am not into infliction pain on my children.

Merry - posted on 10/01/2011

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If she lived in a city where all boys were intact she would leave her boys intact too.
Right? I think I asked this to you before lol

April - posted on 10/01/2011

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what would it take to change your mind? i know you aren't going to, but HYPOTHETICALLY, what would have to happen?

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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So it is just how you see things and what works best for your family.

Yup. And what works best for my family is to not inflict unnecessary pain on my babies. Obviously that's not something you worry about.

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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Nope I am not April 4th boy. First 3 are circumcised and this one will be as well.

April - posted on 10/01/2011

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If it had been done as an infant Kylie I would know no differently and probably wouldn't car. I would also know my parents did what they thought was best for me, like they did with ever other decision they ever made for me.


You would care if it affected your sex life. If a guy didn't want to be with you because of it, you'd care. If you couldn't enjoy sex or couldn't have an orgasm, you would care. The point is infants who don't know any better grow up to become adults that do know better. What happens as an infant affects your whole life. Since you're so set in your beliefs on male circumcision, I am hopeful that you are having a girl!

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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Because even as an adult I wouldn't pierce my nipples I don't like it in the least. So in no way is that an enhancement. However, in other countries for children it is and for them I don't have a problem with it what so ever.



Piercing a girls ears is so darned cute and as I said did that to my son as well. So it is just how you see things and what works best for your family. Although I do believe very cultural as well.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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I can understand not minding if you genuinely did not know any differently.

But once you know differently, to not care?

That's a stretch. That's a BIG stretch.

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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What I am saying Krista is if I didn't know any different and I would have zero reason to ever know better unless I joined a board such as this. Then of course I wouldn't have cared.

I would not have blamed my parents if I did find out I probably would have wondered what it would have been like otherwise but no I do not think I would have been mad. Just like my husband or kids when it comes to their circumcisions they are thankful it was done and have no qualms about it in the least. So I imagine I would have the same view.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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No, but you have stated quite clearly, over and over again, that you feel that as long as it's currently legal, that a parent has the right to do whatever they please to their child's body until they are an adult.

So why not pierce his nipples? What's the difference between that and piercing a baby's ears, or cutting off his foreskin? It's just "enhancing" an imperfect child, right?

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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I never said I was piercing my child's nipples or cutting off any body parts I saw fit. Wow dramatic much????

You do not have to have my views but you don't have to seem so high and mighty that your ways are right and mine wrong??

Circumcision is not wrong because you or few people on here think it is. It is only wrong if it wrong for YOUR family.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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Don't you dare say how I would feel about it because you honestly don't know how I would feel or react. So you can take your BS and horseshit and do with it as you seem fit.

Fine. I'll take my BS and my horseshit and I will tell you that ANY woman who would not be upset about the fact that her parents had her clit cut off at birth is clinically fucking insane.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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Fine, Sherri. Whatever. Pierce your infant's nipples after he's born. Cut off whatever body part you see fit. Mama knows best. After all, heaven forbid that he should actually have a say in whether or not body parts are removed from him -- that would just be CRAZY. Foolish kid, thinking that his body is his own.

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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Well no one I know isn't circumcised and I have never known one person ever who had a problem with it.

You can say that Krista but I can assure you, you know nothing about me and how I would react. I most likely would never have known different so wouldn't have cared.

Don't you dare say how I would feel about it because you honestly don't know how I would feel or react. So you can take your BS and horseshit and do with it as you seem fit.

Kylie - posted on 10/01/2011

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Well i personally know a 2 people who care deeply about what was taken from them by parents with the best intentions.

“The evil that is in the world almost always comes of ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.” Albert Camus quote.

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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It isn't perfect that is why. To us we are enhancing the rest of their lives and did and doing what we think is best. I am well aware you don't feel the same. Simple solution then don't have it done to your children. Problem solved. Don't worry about my children or what I opt what is best for them.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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If it had been done as an infant Kylie I would know no differently and probably wouldn't car. I would also know my parents did what they thought was best for me, like they did with ever other decision they ever made for me.

Horseshit. That is the biggest pile of horseshit that I have ever read on here, and that is really saying something.

There are PLENTY of women who were circumcised as infants, and let me tell you, they know differently. And they fucking well care. And if you expect any of us to believe that you would be totally fine and happy if your parents had cut off your clit as an infant, then you must think we're all idiots.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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I feel that is what we have done enhance our children not disfigure them.

I think that is so incredibly sad. A healthy child is PERFECT just the way he or she is. It's obscene that parents feel the need to bling them up and cut off pieces of them -- why aren't you happy with them the way that they are? They're perfect as is.

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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If it had been done as an infant Kylie I would know no differently and probably wouldn't car. I would also know my parents did what they thought was best for me, like they did with ever other decision they ever made for me.



I am aware of Laura's son but I have also used the same OB/Gyn for 15yrs he has done all three of my kids already. I trust him with my life and the life without even a second thought.

Minnie - posted on 10/01/2011

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A male is enhanced by taking a functional organ FROM him?

Yes, we do many things everyday that alter OURSELVES. That's a heck of a lot different than doing it to another person.

The chance of disfigurement or infection are so rare and far inbetween especially if you have a good doctor that it doesn't even worry me in the least.

Ask Laura about her son's problems.

Chances of infection and disfigurement from a tattoo are very rare, and yet it is illegal- for despite the rarity of them, they are a possibility.

Kylie - posted on 10/01/2011

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key word - ourselves. We dont do it to others without their consent.
How would you feel if i gave a doctor consent to circumcise you Sherri? And you had no voice or rights to stop me.

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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And that is okay that that is how you see it Erin. I don't happen to view it that way.

We do many things everyday that alter ourselves wearing make up, piercings, tattoos and they are to enhance ourselves. I feel that is what we have done enhance our children not disfigure them.

Ez - posted on 10/01/2011

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By it's very nsture, a circumcised penis IS disfigured. It is altered from it's natural state.

God damn.

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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Nope I would probably say WTF, I wouldn't approve but in the end if she had doctor remove the toe nails because he thought it was justified so be it.



The piercings other than ears I wouldn't approve of but I also know many cultures that they do piercings and tattoos as children and I honestly do not have a problem with it. Not so fond in this country though it just wouldn't be as accepted and you really would be ridiculed by others.



The chance of disfigurement or infection are so rare and far inbetween especially if you have a good doctor that it doesn't even worry me in the least.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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Nope doesn't sound like any other common procedure to me.

Don't be obtuse.

You know damned well that circumcision is a permanent cosmetic procedure that runs the risk of infection and disfigurement.

I know you're strong in your opinion, but please show at least a LITTLE respect for our intelligence, okay?

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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So Sherri, if you saw an infant with a pierced tongue and eyebrow and missing toenails, and the mother said that she did it 'cause she thought it was cute, and searched far and wide, but finally found a doctor to do these procedures, you'd just shrug and think, "Well, whatever...her kid, her rights?"

Seriously?

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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Nope you wouldn't but you could certainly discuss it at 2 days old. I have no idea how young they would consider it.

Nope doesn't sound like any other common procedure to me.

Minnie - posted on 10/01/2011

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Tattooing a minor is against the law because it's a permanent cosmetic procedure that runs the risk of infection and disfigurement.



Sound like any other common procedure?



A doctor recommending toe nail removal in one particular child is a lot different than doctors handing out circumcision propaganda to every pregnant mother out there. We're talking about routine infant circumcision, routine meaning that it's done without taking an individual's circumstances into consideration.



You can't just birth a baby and on the second day go "hey doctor, please remove my child's toenails."

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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You could have them pierced your choice. No laws against it.

I wouldn't go for the rest but if a doctor recommended or okayed the removal of a toe nail to prevent pain later on sure why not.

Well Tattooing children is against the law so that one is irrelevant.

Isobel - posted on 10/01/2011

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as a woman who comes from a family with chronic infected, ingrown toe nail issues...I for one Krista, TOTALLY support the idea that we should be allowed to remove babies toe nails at birth...just in case they MIGHT get ingrown toe nails later :/

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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Krista....wow, really? As his parent, I will make any decision that I feel is in his best interest, debate the subject but don't question me or my family. Keep things in perspective.

Fine. We'll talk about MY family, then.

If I, as his mother, genuinely felt that it was in my child's best interest to have him tattooed, would you support my right to do so?

If I felt that it was in my child's best interest to have his toenails removed at birth, even though there was nothing wrong with them, would you agree that I have the right to do so?

If I, as his mother, genuinely felt that it was in my child's best interests to have his nose, eyebrow and lip pierced, totally without his consent, would you support me in doing so?

Be honest.

Ez - posted on 10/01/2011

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Angela, if you enter into a circ debate and put your personal decision out there, people WILL question it. That's the whole point. Nobody attacked you or called you names. They challenged a specific opinion of yours (which 85% of the world and every medical authority believes to be wrong, btw).

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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Well that is your belief that it is unethical or immoral not mine or anyone else that supports circumcision. Which you are more than entitled too. You are not wrong for the choices you opt for your family and I am not wrong for the ones I opt for mine.

Minnie - posted on 10/01/2011

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I'm fairly certain that when people say "you have no right" that they mean ethical and moral right, not legal right.

Thought that was a given. We all know you have the legal right. Although that legality is pretty shady in itself, considering it's illegal to even prick a girl's clitoris.

Minnie - posted on 10/01/2011

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Debating means RESPECTING another`s opinion, even though it may differ from your own.

No it doesn't.

I've said it before, you could have the opinion that the earth is flat and I would still think you had your head screwed on backward.

Sherri - posted on 10/01/2011

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Actually I do Jenny just like I have the right to pierce my infant childs ears if I want too.
I have the right to make any decision for my children controversial or not until they are 18yrs old.

Jenny - posted on 10/01/2011

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Unless you are attached to the penis you have no right to make cosmetic choices about it.

Angela - posted on 10/01/2011

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Krista....wow, really? As his parent, I will make any decision that I feel is in his best interest, debate the subject but don't question me or my family. Keep things in perspective.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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And this has NOTHING to do with human rights. As his mother, and father, WE make the choices that we feel are best for him until he is an adult himself.

So do you believe that as his mother and father, that you have the right to make permanent alterations to any of his other body parts, when the mood strikes you?

Do you believe you have the right to tattoo him?

Do you believe you have the right to have his toenails removed?

Do you believe you have the right to have the webbing of skin between his thumb and forefinger removed?

Merry - posted on 10/01/2011

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His penis was beautiful before the surgery too right?

Sorry I just don't see how hs penis' appearanceis a matter of family decision. It's not a comunal penis haha

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