Circumcision poll

Merry - posted on 09/13/2011 ( 296 moms have responded )

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This is a simple question, try to give simple answers :)
Are you for or against routine infant circumcision?
If you had a healthy baby boy would you circumcise him?

Yes, or No.
elaborate if you must but try to keep it concise :)

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"Circumcision is not wrong because you or few people on here think it is. It is only wrong if it wrong for YOUR family."

No, Sherri -- that is the point you continually miss. Routine infant circumcision is wrong because it is the intentional, cosmetic sexual mutilation of an unconsenting child, where there is no medical indication for performing it. It is a human rights violation and an ethical violation. I think what is most disappointing to me (and probably to all the other moms here) is that despite all the overwhelming evidence and arguments that all the women have given you here over the last year, you are still totally and completely unwilling to even CONSIDER that circumcision might be something other than your will to impose upon your perfect, beautiful child. And your attitude just comes across as simple pigheadedness to me rather than a deliberate consideration of the facts and a decision to go a different way. Which is very sad indeed. Not for you, but for your unborn son.

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And you know, they do fear it! When my baby was 9 months old, he had a series of horribly high fevers that caused seizures. They had to get a urine sample from a catheter. He was traumatized and would cry for months afterwards when it was diaper change time. He didn't forget it. Turns out it was severe inner ear infections. His intact penis had nothing to do with it despite several nurses telling me he 'probably' had UTI's from his foreskin. I sent a scathing letter to that hospital after we found the cause. What is it about a foreskin that frightens people and gods so? ( I add gods because apparently Yahweh and Allah have a freakout everytime they see one.)

Tracie - posted on 09/24/2011

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I read up on this a lot when my daughter was thinking about it for her son, turns out there are more nerve endings in that tiny piece of foreskin than anywhere else on the body (I think it was between 10 - 15,000!!!) Decreased sexual pleasure is a fact apparently,and more circumsised men need Viagra in later years because they loose sensation in it faster because of all the years of calousing the head (tip) of the penis. There's no cleaning involved in an un-circumsised one, It's self cleaning- I've never had problems with my two boys (oldest is nearly 8) I've never cleaned it- just washed around it like any other part. My daughter went along with her partner and did her son, a HORRIBLE Torture was inflicted on that precious perfect little boy who didn't need to go through such brutallity, and she would NEVER do it again, she regrets it deeply.

Jenni - posted on 09/24/2011

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And here's an interesting story... my husband use to suffer from reacurring UTIs when he was in his late teens. Most doctors would have reccommended circumcision and attributed the UTI's to his foreskin...



turns out he had Chrone's Disease which was causing bacteria to leak into his bladder. An operation for his Chrone's and he's never experienced a UTI since.

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Sherri you have...all your boys were intact before you circ'd them, they are not born with a circumcised penis!

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Ez - posted on 10/02/2011

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Isobel - posted on 10/02/2011

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I don't judge women who do it. I know that you are all making decisions for your children that you THINK are best for them...and in truth, if they are going to live life being ridiculed for not having it done...who's to say you are wrong.



The fact is, however, that 85% of the world doesn't do it, it serves VERY little if any purpose and in fact OFTEN causes harm.



I, personally would love to see the day when people didn''t do it...it makes me sad that we feel the need to give our babies cosmetic surgery .



I am just grateful that I was born in a country and culture that didn't see fit to remove any part of my genitalia (to make it easier to clean or to give me a 0.000001% chance less of catching any particular disease which could easily be avoided through safe sex).

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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Right, but getting their shots and taking them to the dentist are medically necessary procedures. Circumcision isn't. Piercing isn't. So I just can't, for the life of me, understand why you'd put your babies through something painful if there isn't an existing medical need for it.

Seriously, I'm not trying to be rude. It just baffles the shit out of me. Why hurt your baby if you actually have a choice in the matter?

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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@Krista I am not into infliction pain on my children.

So why do it when you don't have to, then?

Merry - posted on 10/01/2011

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If she lived in a city where all boys were intact she would leave her boys intact too.
Right? I think I asked this to you before lol

April - posted on 10/01/2011

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what would it take to change your mind? i know you aren't going to, but HYPOTHETICALLY, what would have to happen?

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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So it is just how you see things and what works best for your family.

Yup. And what works best for my family is to not inflict unnecessary pain on my babies. Obviously that's not something you worry about.

April - posted on 10/01/2011

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If it had been done as an infant Kylie I would know no differently and probably wouldn't car. I would also know my parents did what they thought was best for me, like they did with ever other decision they ever made for me.


You would care if it affected your sex life. If a guy didn't want to be with you because of it, you'd care. If you couldn't enjoy sex or couldn't have an orgasm, you would care. The point is infants who don't know any better grow up to become adults that do know better. What happens as an infant affects your whole life. Since you're so set in your beliefs on male circumcision, I am hopeful that you are having a girl!

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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I can understand not minding if you genuinely did not know any differently.

But once you know differently, to not care?

That's a stretch. That's a BIG stretch.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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No, but you have stated quite clearly, over and over again, that you feel that as long as it's currently legal, that a parent has the right to do whatever they please to their child's body until they are an adult.

So why not pierce his nipples? What's the difference between that and piercing a baby's ears, or cutting off his foreskin? It's just "enhancing" an imperfect child, right?

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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Don't you dare say how I would feel about it because you honestly don't know how I would feel or react. So you can take your BS and horseshit and do with it as you seem fit.

Fine. I'll take my BS and my horseshit and I will tell you that ANY woman who would not be upset about the fact that her parents had her clit cut off at birth is clinically fucking insane.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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Fine, Sherri. Whatever. Pierce your infant's nipples after he's born. Cut off whatever body part you see fit. Mama knows best. After all, heaven forbid that he should actually have a say in whether or not body parts are removed from him -- that would just be CRAZY. Foolish kid, thinking that his body is his own.

Kylie - posted on 10/01/2011

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Well i personally know a 2 people who care deeply about what was taken from them by parents with the best intentions.

“The evil that is in the world almost always comes of ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.” Albert Camus quote.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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If it had been done as an infant Kylie I would know no differently and probably wouldn't car. I would also know my parents did what they thought was best for me, like they did with ever other decision they ever made for me.

Horseshit. That is the biggest pile of horseshit that I have ever read on here, and that is really saying something.

There are PLENTY of women who were circumcised as infants, and let me tell you, they know differently. And they fucking well care. And if you expect any of us to believe that you would be totally fine and happy if your parents had cut off your clit as an infant, then you must think we're all idiots.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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I feel that is what we have done enhance our children not disfigure them.

I think that is so incredibly sad. A healthy child is PERFECT just the way he or she is. It's obscene that parents feel the need to bling them up and cut off pieces of them -- why aren't you happy with them the way that they are? They're perfect as is.

Minnie - posted on 10/01/2011

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A male is enhanced by taking a functional organ FROM him?

Yes, we do many things everyday that alter OURSELVES. That's a heck of a lot different than doing it to another person.

The chance of disfigurement or infection are so rare and far inbetween especially if you have a good doctor that it doesn't even worry me in the least.

Ask Laura about her son's problems.

Chances of infection and disfigurement from a tattoo are very rare, and yet it is illegal- for despite the rarity of them, they are a possibility.

Kylie - posted on 10/01/2011

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key word - ourselves. We dont do it to others without their consent.
How would you feel if i gave a doctor consent to circumcise you Sherri? And you had no voice or rights to stop me.

Ez - posted on 10/01/2011

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By it's very nsture, a circumcised penis IS disfigured. It is altered from it's natural state.

God damn.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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Nope doesn't sound like any other common procedure to me.

Don't be obtuse.

You know damned well that circumcision is a permanent cosmetic procedure that runs the risk of infection and disfigurement.

I know you're strong in your opinion, but please show at least a LITTLE respect for our intelligence, okay?

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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So Sherri, if you saw an infant with a pierced tongue and eyebrow and missing toenails, and the mother said that she did it 'cause she thought it was cute, and searched far and wide, but finally found a doctor to do these procedures, you'd just shrug and think, "Well, whatever...her kid, her rights?"

Seriously?

Minnie - posted on 10/01/2011

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Tattooing a minor is against the law because it's a permanent cosmetic procedure that runs the risk of infection and disfigurement.



Sound like any other common procedure?



A doctor recommending toe nail removal in one particular child is a lot different than doctors handing out circumcision propaganda to every pregnant mother out there. We're talking about routine infant circumcision, routine meaning that it's done without taking an individual's circumstances into consideration.



You can't just birth a baby and on the second day go "hey doctor, please remove my child's toenails."

Isobel - posted on 10/01/2011

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as a woman who comes from a family with chronic infected, ingrown toe nail issues...I for one Krista, TOTALLY support the idea that we should be allowed to remove babies toe nails at birth...just in case they MIGHT get ingrown toe nails later :/

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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Krista....wow, really? As his parent, I will make any decision that I feel is in his best interest, debate the subject but don't question me or my family. Keep things in perspective.

Fine. We'll talk about MY family, then.

If I, as his mother, genuinely felt that it was in my child's best interest to have him tattooed, would you support my right to do so?

If I felt that it was in my child's best interest to have his toenails removed at birth, even though there was nothing wrong with them, would you agree that I have the right to do so?

If I, as his mother, genuinely felt that it was in my child's best interests to have his nose, eyebrow and lip pierced, totally without his consent, would you support me in doing so?

Be honest.

Ez - posted on 10/01/2011

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Angela, if you enter into a circ debate and put your personal decision out there, people WILL question it. That's the whole point. Nobody attacked you or called you names. They challenged a specific opinion of yours (which 85% of the world and every medical authority believes to be wrong, btw).

Minnie - posted on 10/01/2011

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I'm fairly certain that when people say "you have no right" that they mean ethical and moral right, not legal right.

Thought that was a given. We all know you have the legal right. Although that legality is pretty shady in itself, considering it's illegal to even prick a girl's clitoris.

Minnie - posted on 10/01/2011

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Debating means RESPECTING another`s opinion, even though it may differ from your own.

No it doesn't.

I've said it before, you could have the opinion that the earth is flat and I would still think you had your head screwed on backward.

Jenny - posted on 10/01/2011

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Unless you are attached to the penis you have no right to make cosmetic choices about it.

Angela - posted on 10/01/2011

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Krista....wow, really? As his parent, I will make any decision that I feel is in his best interest, debate the subject but don't question me or my family. Keep things in perspective.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2011

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And this has NOTHING to do with human rights. As his mother, and father, WE make the choices that we feel are best for him until he is an adult himself.

So do you believe that as his mother and father, that you have the right to make permanent alterations to any of his other body parts, when the mood strikes you?

Do you believe you have the right to tattoo him?

Do you believe you have the right to have his toenails removed?

Do you believe you have the right to have the webbing of skin between his thumb and forefinger removed?

Merry - posted on 10/01/2011

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His penis was beautiful before the surgery too right?

Sorry I just don't see how hs penis' appearanceis a matter of family decision. It's not a comunal penis haha

Angela - posted on 10/01/2011

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Kylie, this message is for you. My husband and I made the best decision for OUR family. Who are you to question our reasoning? Debating means RESPECTING another`s opinion, even though it may differ from your own. No, I would NOT give him a nose job, his facial features are just beautiful, thanks though. And this has NOTHING to do with human rights. As his mother, and father, WE make the choices that we feel are best for him until he is an adult himself. We felt this was the best decision...FOR OUR FAMILY.

Merry - posted on 09/30/2011

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Personal choice, one that the perso involved decides
Parental choice, one that parents mak on behalf. Of their minor child.

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"I believe it is a personal choice left up to the parents." Cue sound of my head hitting the keyboard. Sigh.

Merry - posted on 09/30/2011

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So if you still need to teach proper hygiene either way, why choose surgery and risk complications? If there's no diffence hygenicly why put him through surgery and reattachment and. Loss of a body part?

Sorry, I'm confused I guess, I'm not seeing why you chose to cut him.....

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I am neither for or against. I believe it is a personal choice left up to the parents. Whether you do it for religious, aesthetic or for reasons of hygiene. My husband is circumcised so I let him make the decision. I told him it didn't matter either way and we had a long conversation about the pro's and con's. His decision came down to hygiene. Either way you still need to teach your child how to properly wash themselves.

You should also talk to your doctor about the risks and after affects as well. Our son developed a very small foreskin bridge (about the width of a sewing needle). I didn't notice it until is was about 2.5. I had his pediatrician look at it. Since it is so small and doesn't effect the use of his penis the doctor gave us 3 options. 1: he told us would could use a numbing cream and gently stretch it until it breaks 2: consult a urologist who might recommend surgery to remove it and 3: Leave it be because when our son is a teenager he will more then likely take care of it himself!

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Yeah they are Rebecca they have cock contests in the gents...oh wait that's not penises the men comparing are just cocks fluffing their feathers!

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Not to mention the fact most boys/men aren't walking around with their penises hanging out all day for everyone to see.

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What gets me is naturally we all look different anyway, I've got a much larger build than my mom as I have my dads bone structure, I have darker hair, a different eye colour, bigger breasts, bigger feet and am taller than her, we didn't do anything to try and make me look more like my mom so why should we give baby boys surgery to look like their dads because ultimately they aren't a carbon copy of dad and will be different anyway.

Minnie - posted on 09/30/2011

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I have tattoos, perhaps I should tattoo my daughters? Oh wait, it's illegal in NH....hmmm.

Krista - posted on 09/30/2011

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Yeah, the whole idea of circumcising in order to look like Daddy...well, there are really no words as to how inane it is.

OBVIOUSLY a small child's penis is going to look different from his father's no matter what you do to it.

AND, it's not like we're altering the rest of the kid's body to look like his dad's. We don't get them matching tattoos, or scarify our children to have matching scars with Daddy.

I have scars on my breasts from a breast reduction. If I ever have a little girl, will I get her breast implants and then have her breasts scarred so that she matches me? Will I get her a tattoo that matches mine?

I mean, really, if you think about it logically, it just makes NO sense.

Lindsay "Lindy" - posted on 09/29/2011

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I chose not to have my 4 year old son Brennan's penis circumcised b/c my husband isn't circumcised and neither is my dad, my brothers and my father in law and brother in laws aren't as well. I believe circumcision isn't right.

Jenni - posted on 09/29/2011

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My son has blonde hair. I don't dye it dark brown so he can identify with his Dad.



That just seems like a rather illogical, unnecessary reason to cut off a healthy piece of skin.



If my husband had one testicle, I wouldn't opt to remove one of my son's testicles so he can identify with his Dad.



Or better yet, if my husband had a piercing through his penis... I most certainly, would not get my son's penis pierced so they can have matching genital accessories.

Merry - posted on 09/29/2011

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Haha and boys penis is bald! No pubes lol.
Idk if matching dad really ever matters to a kid. Besides, individuality is a precious gift I think.

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I think the bigger question is do you really expect your son to "identify" with your husband's penis? How frequently do you even think he is going to see it? And wouldn't he feel a little inadequate if he did identify with your husband's penis since a little boy's penis is so tiny compared to an adult man's penis?

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