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Jodi - posted on 01/16/2011

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Actually, quite a bit of research indicates it is a problem, that's why I was asking the question as to your experience of it. I haven't looked up internet resources, however, but it is to do with the push for perfection, there is quite a lot of evidence it does frequently lead to body image issues. Obviuously, it depends on the seriousness with which the parents take it, but social research is out there (I only have it in textbooks here because that's the way I studied my degree, LOL).

Jodi - posted on 01/15/2011

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=\ WTF?

Right there is a good argument for a licence before breeding......Geez

Johnny - posted on 01/16/2011

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Sherri, I'd say that there is an enormous gulf between a pre-teen girl who dreamed of succeeding at pageants and went out and worked hard to do so, and a 3 year old girl who has no choice in the matter and doesn't really understand what is happening around her. I don't like pageants in general, but I can see how it would have raised the confidence and self-esteem of the girl in the situation you are describing. I fail to see how parading your toddler around in a cone bra could possibly accomplish the same.

Johnny - posted on 01/16/2011

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I've watched Toddlers & Tiaras a few times, and I've heard the winning moms expressing relief on several occasions that they won, because that way the money will just about cover the costs of entering the pagaent, traveling to it, all the dresses, hairstyles, make-up, lessons, etc. 99% of the time, even if they win a lot, they are not saving up anything for their kids out of this. It isn't going to be paying for college or helping them buy a house or something. It's just fulfilling the mom's sick little fantasies. Then there's the HUGE financial hit that families take for those kids that don't win. I'm sure that's the kind of pressure we think that should rest on the shoulders of 3 year olds. Snort!

Louise - posted on 01/15/2011

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Some parents really should consider not having sex at all but instead take a trip to the toy store and buy a Barbie Doll.

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Sally - posted on 02/03/2012

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I can't say anything about this because if i started it wouldn't be very polite or very nice and i suspect i would rant for along time because i hate these shows with a passion.

Veronica - posted on 01/25/2011

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This is where girls/teens and women's self confidence begins - what will this little girl think of herself as she continues these kinds of performances - will she feel that in order to get attention, she will have to dress slutty/prostitute apparell to get noticed? ugh

Johnny - posted on 01/18/2011

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Hmmm.... I'm hoping that you're speaking metaphorically Dawn. While I'm disgusted, I don't think murder is really the answer.

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Her mother should be shot. That is disgusting. We as a society are against pedophilia, and then a parent purposely dresses their child in a provacative manor and is trying to get her to dance and LIKE it. Makes me sick.

Johnny - posted on 01/18/2011

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She first wore it for Express Yourself which was from the Like a Prayer album. Vogue was the following year from the Dick Tracy soundtrack. But it was most often noticed in the Blonde Ambition concert tour. in 1990 My best friend from high school was obsessed with Madonna. But anyway, even if you were born that year, you'd be 20 now!

Johnny - posted on 01/18/2011

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Probably because they are too young to remember Madonna's Like a Prayer ;-P

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I am speechless.... That is terribly sad...I actually don't know what to say at all to this. Except that I would NEVER allow my daughter to wear a cone bra?! WTH. The nerve of some parents amaze me...And people have an issue with teen parents? :I

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you'll note that most of these mums are overweight and or have little to no self esteem whatsoever so they push their daughters to do silly things like this. I simply call it pedophile paradise

Jackie - posted on 01/17/2011

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My jaw dropped when I saw that! Not my daughter EVER! What the hell is wrong with moms. I can see this being funny to someone older but the little girl doesn't even know who Madonna is and why that may be funny... all she knows is she is being laughed at because she's wearing a cone bra. That's so perverted on so many levels.

Amber - posted on 01/17/2011

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weird. i hope that poor little girl isn't traumatized. what kind of mother do you have to be to want to exploit your baby like that? there is a huge difference between choosing to do that at an age where you are capable of even making such a decision and a parent brainwashing their very small, very vulnerable child into doing it so they can get their kicks. it's absolutely gross. that little girl is but a baby still! she should be at home painting and reading fairy tales and dressing up like a princess, not a skank. can't this be classified as some kind of mental and psychological abuse? like raising your kids to be neo-nazis? LOL

Sarah - posted on 01/17/2011

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I think the thing that bothered me (aside from the highly inappropriate costume!) is that at one point in it, the little girl looks as if she REALLY doesn't want to do it any more.
She looks scared and that she just wants to get the hell off the stage!!
Her mother then comes on and "makes" her dance (wiggling her hips for her and stuff)

It just felt like it was all for the Mum's benefit, not the daughter's.

The whole thing just made me feel really uncomfortable to be honest.

Isobel - posted on 01/17/2011

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pedophiles generally prefer their children to look like children from what I understand...and It wasn't Like a Virgin...it was Like a Prayer...and while it's not MY thing, I don't think the costume is THAT big of a deal.

I thought it was funny, the thing that really bothers me about the pageants is when the mothers take them too seriously and end up mentally abusing their daughters.

If anything, in this particular video, I think the mother had a sense of humour, I didn't see her be mean to the kid...she was laughing her own ass off at the costume and the fact that her daughter didn't know what to do so she helped her.

I hate pageants in general, but this particular video doesn't upset me THAT much

Sharon - posted on 01/16/2011

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Putting your toddler in a bustier with cone a bra is "positive"? Positive for WHO?

Rae - posted on 01/16/2011

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WTF!!!! the mum deserves a bitch slap for dressing her daughter like that. Sorry, but there is to many sicko's out there

Sarah - posted on 01/16/2011

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When they do it as teenagers they are making that decision and want to do it, little kids are pressured into it for their parents own selfish desires to be the best. The kids don't benefit from it whatsoever.

Nikkole - posted on 01/16/2011

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I think these pageants are HORRIBLE i mean 3yr old girls are supposed to look 3 not 23! Fake teeth,makeup,eyelashes,hair stylist,$2000 dollar outfits thats just too much! I was in a pageant when i was 2 no makeup no fake teeth no $2000 dollar outfit but i had a dress and pretty shoes and guess what i won 1st place i think these pageants should focus on natural beauty not fake!

Sherri - posted on 01/16/2011

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I guess I look for the positive in things as well as the negative. I certainly can see the benefits of such activities as well as the downfalls. I just don't feel it is all negative.

Stifler's - posted on 01/16/2011

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These are little kids though Sherri. If they don't win they're like "I'm not good enough, mum's upset".

Sherri - posted on 01/16/2011

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Just saying their are benefits too, it isn't all bad. I know one girl she approached her mom to do it in 7th grade. She raised all the money herself to get their, Got her dress, her hair make up and the rest done. Mom wasn't so sure but the confidence and determination her daughter had shown quickly changed her mind.

Ez - posted on 01/16/2011

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I would rather take out a loan to pay for my daughter's college than put her in pageants like that! Yuck!

Sherri - posted on 01/16/2011

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I knew quite a few girls that did it all their way through middle and high school and with all of their winnings their college was paid for 100%. They were able to put themselves thorough 4yrs of college debt free.

Sarah - posted on 01/16/2011

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exactly Carol!
wouldn't they be able to pay for college with the money they spend entering their kids in the stupid things?

Sherri - posted on 01/16/2011

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Your right I don't 100% know it doesn't Jodi just as you don't 100% know it does.

Jodi - posted on 01/16/2011

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How would you know it doesn't create body confidence issues? "I don't find" indicates personal experience.....were you a pageant child?

Sherri - posted on 01/16/2011

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I don't find that it creates body confidence issues I also find that a lot of mom's put the money away if they stay with it and it gets a lot of this little girls through college.

Stifler's - posted on 01/16/2011

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I think dressing up is cute if kids want to play it. But not to the point of spray tans, going on stage, pressuring them to perform and creating body confidence issues.

Sherri - posted on 01/16/2011

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I think they are so stinkin cute. You're right I will never have to worry about.

Jodi - posted on 01/16/2011

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Well, I guess we don't have to worry too much, Sherri only has boys......personally, I find anyone dressing their very young child up like Toddlers in Tiaras is repulsive. It's sickening.

Sarah - posted on 01/16/2011

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Wouldn't you prefer to enter your child in a talent competition where they act like cute little children, than objectifying them and dressing them up like adults in ridiculous amounts of make up and spray tan?

Sherri - posted on 01/16/2011

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I personally love to watch the full glitz pageants on TV's no I don't have a problem with it. I would never do it and only because I do not have the time nor the funds.

Sarah - posted on 01/16/2011

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You don't think exploiting children, 2 year olds in make up with spray tan is wrong? thats very interesting...

Jodi - posted on 01/16/2011

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Really Sherri? If you had girls, you'd be happy with dressing them up like mini adults?

Sherri - posted on 01/16/2011

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Well although the bra may have been too much then rest of it didn't bother me. It was obviously a pageant of some kind. I actually am okay with pageants.

Sarah - posted on 01/16/2011

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they're disgusting! (the ones i went to were absolutely NOTHING like that and i went because its for charity and because i wanted HER to have trophies for when shes older and it only cost me like $20 for the whole day)

i started searching on youtube after watching this and this woman spend $250,000 before even entering her twins!

Then she competed the 2 of them, saying like oh this ones more advanced than the other one so she does better in the pageants and this one doesnt co-operate with me and i was really surprised that my best one didnt do as well as this one today (they are 1!) it was just disgusting!

Stifler's - posted on 01/16/2011

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it's the vicious cycle. the mum's mum made her go in pageants, she didn't win and didn't go anywhere so she makes her kid do it and pushes really hard so she'll win

Jodi - posted on 01/16/2011

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I always thought that getting into the pageants cost a fortune too, so I wonder how it can be the money they are doing it for. I often get the message that it is more about the mum trying to live something she missed out on. Personally I find the pageants really tacky. None of it is about the kids.

Bonnie - posted on 01/16/2011

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Yeah it's definitely the money and the prizes and probably even a bit of having their child under the lights.

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