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Isobel - posted on 01/28/2011 ( 32 moms have responded )

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From my understanding, true communism has nothing to do with the madness that happened in the Soviet Union. In fact, I have heard people claim that it should even be called Sovietism instead because it was such a deviation from the true concepts of communism, yet Americans seem to remain terrified that communists are trying to take over their country.



Do you believe that these people are trying to create a communist take over of the U.S.? Or are they simply people who don't like capitalism?



Is this video kinda like when Hitler tried to win over the youth of the nation...or is it kinda like the hippies in the 60's?

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Jenny - posted on 01/28/2011

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True Communism has no government. We have never seen Communism in action. If there are billionaires in your country, you are likely not living under Communism.

Jenny - posted on 01/28/2011

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In my opinion, the Resource Based Economy proposed by the Zeitgeist Movement is the best shot. You should check out Zeitgeist:Moving Forward. It lays it out well including how human nature fits in.

Desiree - posted on 01/28/2011

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Communisim only works in Theory and never in Practice. Throw in the human factor and you have utter madness. Many a revolution was sparked by an Idealistic moron who ended up killed for his beliefs because in the end the greed of the greater outweighed the good of the lesser. Funny how it always gets turned around.

Isobel - posted on 01/28/2011

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ok...I looked it up further and I understand the difference now. The problem stems from the fact that some people are talking about "democracy" as a TYPE of government (which means that leaders are elected through free elections...which is all good) BUT when we are talking about FORM of government, a democracy means that STRAIGHT majority rules which can lead to tyranny by the majority where as a republic demands the protection of the minority.

:D got it

Becky - posted on 01/28/2011

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I can't see the video. I do think the communism in the Soviet Union, China and Cuba is a perversion of what it was meant to be though, and maybe in it's pure form, it wouldn't be a bad way to live.

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LaCi - posted on 01/28/2011

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I'd like to share that sort of optimism, but I think the good people are outnumbered.

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jenn, the majority of good people dream the exact same thing. If we can dream it, it can happen.

Jenn - posted on 01/28/2011

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Communism is what exists in my head. It's the world I dream of. It will never happen though.

Jocelyn - posted on 01/28/2011

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I fully support communism, but I'm not naive enough to believe that pure communism is possible. People are just too self centred and greedy.
But I love my free health care and I love living in a housing Co-op, so maybe I'm a bit biased towards socialism (which is just a stepping stone to communism!)

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wikipedia is a horrid source for valid and legit info. everyone can edit it and add whatever they want.

Sara - posted on 01/28/2011

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Well, I don't agree with Wikipedia. I mean, they are similar, but the individual is represented far more in a Republic than in a democracy.

Isobel - posted on 01/28/2011

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wikipedia seems to believe that it means almost the same thing as democracy...that the people have control over the government (through votes) as opposed to a monarchy or dictatorship :)

Sara - posted on 01/28/2011

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NO, never!!!

In my mind, a republic has the interest of the individual in mind, as well as provides a voice for the individual. In a democracy, it's majority rules...period.

Isobel - posted on 01/28/2011

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When I think Republic, I think more like what the E.U. is...where the states have more autonomy over their own destiny (which I totally think they should)...does that make me a republican?

Isobel - posted on 01/28/2011

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It's a democratic republic, no? I think Democracy has more to do with the founding of America than capitalism.

Stifler's - posted on 01/28/2011

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I think Marxism sounds like a fantastic idea from the video. But I googled it and Wikipedia went on with a whole load of shit.

Sara - posted on 01/28/2011

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And this is a little off topic, but I take issue with calling America a "Democracy". We really aren't. I'd say we're more a Republic than anything, with democratic leanings, which I believe is what our founders envisioned.

Sara - posted on 01/28/2011

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I think in the US we have a lot of people that came of age in the era of the Cold War, and so for them the language associated with communism brings about negative connotations that policitians and the media use to their advantage to try and spur protest to an idea. It's sick and stupid really how people can't see how easily they are manipulated.

Krista - posted on 01/28/2011

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@Jenny: One that has a hope in hell of actually working, as originally designed, given the realities of human nature.

Krista - posted on 01/28/2011

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I think MOST political ideologies are flawed, because they completely neglect to take human nature into account.

Sure, we can say that communism would be great if only it was REAL communism. But due to human nature, we will NEVER see true communism, or true capitalism, or true anything. It's all just political navel-gazing, really.

Personally, I would like to see someone come up with a political system that is utterly realistic and takes into account both the good and the bad about human nature.

ME - posted on 01/28/2011

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The Soviet Union was not communist. In real communism there would eventually be no central government, and the people would all benefit equally from national industries, etc. I don't think there are many people anywhere advocating for REAL communism, let alone in the USA!

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true communism is a beautiful way to live, no government, no rich, nor poor. Just people who share, be happy live free and love each other. I would love if we were a true communist world, but too many people who are greedy and selfish exist :(

Isobel - posted on 01/28/2011

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the interesting thing to me is that capitalism isn't really capitalism either...we really should come up with a new name for what America's running cause it ain't capitalism.



True capitalism is a beautiful concept too...that leaves out two important parts of the equation (just like communism does)...human greed, and lack of education.

Becky - posted on 01/28/2011

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Ooops, posted at the same time as you. I don't think these people are trying to create a communist take-over really, I think they're just dissatisfied with the way things are. As they should be! I think it all sounds lovely, but honestly, I don't see it ever flying in North America. I think capitalism is too ingrained and we're too attached to our wealth and possessions. When it comes right down to it, I don't think that the majority of the wealthy and powerful - or even middle class - would be willing to give up what they have, even to help those who have nothing. I mean, people don't even want their tax dollars going to those who have fallen on hard times, so to willingly become equal with them? Like I said, a wonderful idea, yes, realistic, I don't think so.

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