Cultural differences?

Iris - posted on 09/17/2011 ( 47 moms have responded )

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I've been following "16 and pregnant" (I know bad tv..)this season. I can't remember a single mom that didn't get pitocin to induce labor. At the shows I saw so many of the girls at 39/40, were asked:"How would you feel about having your baby on "Friday"?". I only remember one girl starting having contractions at home.. And this just gets to me.

Is the show an advertisement for the pharmaceuticals?

Or do the Dr's get payed extra for every induction? Or what??



These girls are either 39 or barely 40 weeks when their dr's want to use this drug. And I want to add that most of these girls are perfectly healthy.



Where I'm from carrying to term is considered 40 and before the 42 week. After that time frame we induce if the Dr's feel that the mother or the baby is in risk.



Oh, and not a single one breast fed their babies. I'm not a BF natzi but this made me sad. You don't have a dime to spare but you don't even want to try to breast feed?

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Jurnee - posted on 09/19/2011

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It might be against the law, but I went to a special school when I was pregant, shorter hours so I could work.there were many girls there who were kicked out, they usually wound up living with friends or relatives or the babies father, which was not always a good in some circumstances. some lived in shelters, or foster homes with their babies. At 15 and 16 most kids do not report their parents for throwing them out, they just go live with someone else,if the school tries to follow them, the drop out. I was very lucky to have supportive parents, and I woud be the same, but not all kids are that lucky in this world.

Jurnee - posted on 09/19/2011

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I agree. I dont agree with teens getting pregnant, it happens though, as I surely know. and I know girls who were like that, just let their moms raise their babies,showed them off when it was convenient. And there are other like me who worked finished school, etc. It would be good to show how hard it really is to girls who watch the show.It seems like these girls always have cars, nice clothes, cute baby things. Of course mtv pays them, and in reality its real hard. I remember counting pennies for formula back then.

Ez - posted on 09/22/2011

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You are not considered post-dates here (Aus) until 42weeks, meaning they don't start inducing until late in the 41st week. But that is in the public hospitals. Our private system operates similarly to the US medical model.. it is a business and they are for-profit organisations.

Pit is not standard here. Neither are IV fluids. Labours are only augmented if 'necessary' (though what qualifies as necessary is certainly up for debate... I was pressured into an AROM at 5cm because I stalled for a couple of hours and I wish I'd said no).

But I also agree with Laura. Pitocin and epidurals are inextricably linked. Some women make it through Pit contractions med-free, but they are few and far between. And once an epi is placed, Pit is usually needed to keep labour progressing.

I don't watch the shows. I can't. They give me an aneurism.

Isobel - posted on 09/22/2011

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16 year olds are not generally known for their great decision making skills ;P

Iris - posted on 09/22/2011

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Laura S, it was the same way for me 12 years ago. I was told to walk around during the contractions, move my hips from side to side and so on. Nearly 6 years ago before I had my second child, we were taken on a tour at the hospital were we were shown all these different choices we had during delivery. There was a bathtub if you wanted water birth, birthing chair another choice and of course the bed if you wanted, also a beam that you could hold/hang on to while giving birth. This is what I would consider progress in the right direction instead of pumping women with pitocin and put them in bed. Unfortunetly, I ended up in c-section with a breech baby... Boy, would I have loved to take my pick of choices over there!

I can understand using pitocin in a medical emergency. Watching that show and reading some of the stories here it sounds more like a convenience drug for Dr's or/and Pharma promoting it.

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Hahaha I knew the pain I was in for because it was my 3rd. But gas makes me sick, I got to 5 hours and started screaming for an epidural but then all of a sudden I was pushing.

Stifler's - posted on 09/22/2011

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I demanded the gas because I knew the pain that was coming with the second. With the first I had contractions for like 20 hours with no pain relief.

Stifler's - posted on 09/22/2011

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I was induced, and they don't even DO epidurals here I just had the gas until caesar time.

Merry - posted on 09/22/2011

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Well Sherri then you are superwoman! Lol yeah I know a few women who had pit and no epi but they are superwoman too! Haha in labor with Fierna I would have begged for an epidural if I was at the hospital.but since it was not an option I managed :)
But darn sure I would have gotten it if it was an option.
I'm no wimp I know that but castor oil makes the labor more painful, similar to pitocin I hear.

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I was induced and i didn't get an epidural. I went pain med free until they said i needed a c-section. Then i got morphine while waiting and a spinal when i went in for the surgery.

JuLeah - posted on 09/22/2011

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And, they will go on to feed thier kids processed foods, chemicals, dyes, artifical sweetners .... they will heat up their food in plastic ...

They will live so far removed from their source, so far removed from nature .... and then when they get cancer, the pharmaceutical companies will be right there offering to help ...

Doctors admit that about 70% of the illnesses we battle today are the result of life style choices - diet, sleep, exposer to toxins .... only about 30% of these illnesses are genetic

Pharmaceuticals are big money - they don't want you healthy, they what you dependent on them

All doctors admit, the FDA admits, Trans Fats kills humans - no amount of okay for us to eat ... yet, it is in all processed foods. Enough folks have compained that Trans Fats are now listed under a different name so 0 trans fats can be placed on the label ... but if you read close and look at what is actually in the .. whatever you are eating

Anyway, yes ... I agree - we are killing ourselves for the profit

Merry - posted on 09/22/2011

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Pitocin and epidurals go hand in hand. If they give you pit you're probably going to ask for an epi, and if you ask for an epi they usually give you pit regardless of if your labor is progressing. Pit and epis lead to alot of fetal distress which can lead to either forcepts or vacuum or csection.
Honestly I try to avoid all of the above! I planned my pregnancies and yet I didn know enough to avoid the roadblocks in labor and ended up taking 24 hours to dilate from 6-10cm in there was epidural and pitocin.
Next labori had no option of drugs and went from 1-10cm in 4 hours :)
These teens usually are doing the best they can, most of them really are trying to do best for their baby but since these babies are not planned I think some moms slip into being selfish and thinking about their needs over those of their babies.
Understandable but still I doubt most of them understand that inductions, epidurals, pitocin, etc is not in your baby's best interest.

Jurnee - posted on 09/19/2011

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this was 26 yrs ago, in NY, so Im sure the laws may have changed, but even in fl where I am now, I see lots of kids leaving home at young ages. Its not legal, but if neither the parents or kids say anything, it goes unseen. The dropout age in FLis still at 16 too I think. Thats great in NH, too many kids dropping out around where I live, and with their parents blessing.

Stifler's - posted on 09/19/2011

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I would help my kids out too but a lot of people don't and they don't get to live at home and have their parents pay for formula and clothes and get to go out. I'm just saying, the show isn't really a realistic view of teenage parenthood.

Brittany - posted on 09/19/2011

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@ Rebecca,

No ma'am I have not done my OB rotation, yet. I am still in the Pre-Med phase. I will see if I can find your suggestion and watch it. I am not against these medicines, in fact there are few I am against, as long as they are being used correctly and not over done. They are there to help not to make a Doctors life easier. There is nothing easy about being a doctor.

Stifler's - posted on 09/19/2011

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That's right there are a lot of teens whose parents don't support them who have kids and really do it tough

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I think they deliberately get kids like that on the show to make teenage parents look ridiculous and lazy, as much as I don't condone teenagers getting pregnant.

Jurnee - posted on 09/19/2011

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I had my first at 16, I was 41 weeks,, it was a long labor but completely natural. I have watched that show, and I agree with you emma, those girls really dont take care of those babies. I had my first young,I lived home and my mom helped, but only when I was at school or work. And even then she didnt make bottles or do laundry, she babysat. If i wated to go out, I had to get a sitter, or take her with me. I had to provide formula, diapers, etc. I dont see many of those girls really taking raising a child seriously.

Stifler's - posted on 09/19/2011

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Those shows irk me. Most of the episodes I've seen the grandma does all the bottles and getting up at night, also works while the mother bludges, refuses to go to school then goes out every night. Sad. They don't offer to induce you here until 40+10 unless you're at risk or something. They don't offer you Synctocin (I assume it's the same as Pictocin) here unless you're at risk either.

Candice - posted on 09/19/2011

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I yell at the TV when I watch, like most folks yell at football. :) I agree with you completely. Pit is the root of all evil.

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OK - I had a slight height advantage on you, Teresa! I'm 5'11". But carrying twins STILL sucked even being that tall. The last few weeks were torture.

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@ Brittany -- you should watch the Business of Being Born. They have a whole section on Pitocin. It's pretty interesting. Literally every women in the hospital the one night in labor was receiving Pitocin. Have you done your OB rotation yet?

Jodi - posted on 09/18/2011

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Julianne, it can also be dangerous to go more than 2 weeks overdue........I suspect that MAY just have played a part in it.

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I was induced because of emotional extortion. I was two weeks overdue and the doctor told me the baby was too big and i "could possibly" put her life at risk. He was very persistent. So i thought i was doing what was best. Turns out that his vacation started the day after i had gabby oh imagine that.

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With my son, when I was 39 weeks my dr ordered a scan to see how big my baby was before deciding whether or not to induce (my water broke a few days before the scan so it didn't matter). providing my son wasn't too big and he seemed to be safe, she would have waited until 42 weeks to induce.
In terms of the breastfeeding, it's probably cuz they are young. i know alot of girls who had kids young (myself included) and none of breastfed, or at least not for more than a couple months. i'm not sure why, we just didn't.

Brittany - posted on 09/18/2011

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Yes Laura it is a change. Woman see other woman on TV giving birth and these woman on TV are screaming and crying and acting like a bunch of raving lunatics.

I have had 3 kids. Never once did I scream or yell like someone was killing me. I did lay in bed the whole time but, my kids were half grown when I had them. I was so huge and miserable, even with my daughter and she a month and half early.

As the patient you still have the choice to say No and I would advise it unless, of course, it is an emergency situation. Something like, you have been in a car accident and they need to deliver now and can't do a C-Section because, there is trauma to your abdomen or something likewise.

Medline that is unnecessary should not be given.

Cara - posted on 09/18/2011

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The epidurals are likely more common because induced labors are more common and more painful and they don't always go quickly

Jurnee - posted on 09/18/2011

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Everybody I know who goes to this hospital is immediatley hooked up to pitocin, they try to talk you into it actually. There are at least 8 doctors in the county who deliver there, plus midwives. I just think it makes for a bad birth experience, having to lay in bed for hours. The moms are told it will make their labor quicker, which it does, but it is more painful. Also I see many women getting epidurals lately. When I had my first 2, they are 26 and 24, that wasnt common at all. Maybe its just a change in how things are done through the years.

Brittany - posted on 09/18/2011

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Laura,

Doctors are busy people and people are not going to Med School by the bus load. Sometimes your OBGYN may also be filling in for a doctor on vacation. When I had my oldest son, he is 5 now, my doctor was filling in for another doctor who was out of town. There were 25 woman giving birth that night and 15 of those woman under my OBGYN. Can you imagine trying to deliver 15 babies at the same time?

We, my OB and I,later joked about that night. He said he was birthing babies for over 48 hours. That is a lot of babies. The 15 I knew about did not include those who many have come in after me.

In a situation like this I can understand doing what is medically reasonable and responsible to get these babies out safe but, if this is not the case then it is irresponsible. Just my opinion.

I am a Medical Student and I would NEVER suggest any medicine or procedure that was not needed. If your daughter were to come to me in labor and there was nothing wrong with her or the baby, she would be walking some halls and eating some ice chips.

Jurnee - posted on 09/18/2011

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My oldest daughter, 26, and her friends are all starting to have babies and what I have noticed that disturbs me is they go to the hospital in labor and having contractions, and they immediately want to hook them up to a pitocin drip to help speed the labor along. I can remember when I had my oldest, I went to the hospital having contractions, but not close enough and I was told to walk , etc. I did that with all my kids, walked during labor. Im not sure why this is so common by me, I think it is becuase the hospital near me is the only one that delivers babies for 2 counties.

Brittany - posted on 09/18/2011

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Sometimes, and it is occurring more often then before, doctors want to deliver the baby as soon as possible to move on to the next patient. This is also the reason C-Sections are becoming more and more common.

When watching these shows you must remember you are not seeing everything. In today's society young females are pushed to be skinny and wear a size 0. Females are not built to be skinny. We are supposed to have large breasts, big behinds and a curvy figure. These are all things for being pregnant and nurturing our child. Some, not all, of these girls might not be able to carry to 42 weeks. Their bodies might be under a lot of stress from the weight and lack of proper diet.

I have watched one or two episodes of this show and I have noticed these girls do not eat as a mother should, they often miss appointments and do not take their pills and once they have the baby they talk about starving themselves to get their old body back. That is not good for anyone involved.

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Iris, Who was in the season you've just watched? If it's the most recent I'm pretty sure one of the girls did try to BF but due to reflux I think it was changed to formula because the baby boy was dehydrating.
I got so frustrated with it for the same reason the Dr always said "Well you're so many weeks along now how would you like to have you baby either today or on so and so day"

I honestly think the show is just about reality tv and the best way to keep the ratings up.

Karla - posted on 09/17/2011

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I haven’t seen the show, and have never been induced for labor, so maybe I should hold my tongue, but it’s the Debating Mums! Community! ;-)



My thoughts are that it could very well be that the pharmaceutical companies have their influence on the show, we all know they have their influence with doctors and legislators so why not the media as well.



Also, the Moms’ are 16 and pregnant, their brains aren’t even fully developed, they have some level of irresponsibility and they are on a freaking TV show through it all. Therefore I think they will do whatever the doctors and directors tell them to do. Sad but true.



Lastly, I haven’t checked stats recently but it used to be that younger moms tend not to breastfeed and the theory is that they are not yet comfortable with their adult bodies. Also, in this case they are on TV and the thought of exposing their breast to feed probably just heightens any inhibitions.



Reality TV hinders real living for the participants, IMHO.

Becky - posted on 09/17/2011

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Some of the moms on that show are pretty whiny! Their doctors probably induce them early because they can't take the whining anymore! (kidding, sort of)

Cara - posted on 09/17/2011

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I was induced at 41.5 weeks with my oldest. After a month of prodromal labor I ended up having to be induced. I gave birth to a healthy 8.5lb baby(which they insisted was going to be a 7lb baby max no matter how much i tried to tel them otherwise). Due to the size of my first baby and the fact that i had excessive bleeding after delivery they induced my 2nd baby on her DD. I am hoping if/when i have the next that I can go into labor on my own. I wonder if they induce them early due to their ages and sizes?

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Hey now! lol



I'm just under 4'11" and was 88 pounds when I got pregnant w/ them. After gaining 42 pounds, being on bedrest for 12 weeks, having VERY frequent contractions for those 3 months, having ankles as swollen as my thighs, being 5 cm dialated, water sac bulging, and the doc being able to feel baby A's head.... I was DONE! ;)

Rosie - posted on 09/17/2011

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i've looked up stats and the united states does NOT have a higher rate of inductions compared to a lot of other countries. i don't know about iceland, but we are comparable to australia and canada, the UK has a slightly lower rate.
i honestly think it makes for good tv, and fitting in with certain "schedules" making the show.

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Not to mention the fact you routinely see them giving their babies bottles with what is obviously juice it in, but I digress. I think doctors are Pitocin happy, personally, and induction happy. I carried my twins to 40 weeks and 5 days and I can't tell you how many times I was offered an induction in those last three weeks. It was ridiculous.

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