dad shoots son over molesting sister...

Tah - posted on 08/04/2010 ( 41 moms have responded )

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...

This father found out that his 15 year old son had at the very least molested his 3 year old sister..snapped and shot his son...a couple days after they did find vaginal tearing on the 3 year old girl even though the ER prior to the shooting said that the hymen was intact..the son confessed to his father and the father killed him in the heat of the moment.....now we hear fathers all the time who watch these sexual predators and say if that was my child i would kill him slow...does this father deserve to be convicted at all..of manslaughter or of pre-meditated murder.?..the father had no history of violence, owned rental property..worked for the postal service etc..they said that the boy was a good kid, but how long was this going on?, if he hadn't of been caught, would it have gone on?..what are your thoughts...

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Shelley - posted on 08/04/2010

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I think this family has suffered enough. I think it should be a suspended sentence of manslaughter i don't think he is a risk to society and i think his little girl needs him she's been abused lost her brother i don't think she can loose her daddy too.

Sharon - posted on 08/04/2010

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1. Killing someone who hurt my child - no problem.

2. Killing someone who hurt my child and it turned out to be my other child? I dunno if I could do that.

I agree with CathyS. Not guilty by reason of temporary insanity.

Poor dad, he'll wonder for the rest of his life where he went wrong, how could he have prevented this and who did he fail? his son? his daughter?

Poor little boy & poor baby too.

Brittney - posted on 08/07/2010

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I wouldn't have shot him. I would have beat him to a bloody pulp with my bare hands. Someone would have to pry me off of him and drag me away. I wouldn't have killed him. That kid didn't deserve and easy out. Yeah, he's a kid, he had problems, insert bullshit excuse here. Whatever, who knows what other kids he might have done this too and how many more he might have as he got older. Most of these people reoffend manny manny manny times. I think his dad should get a pat on the back.

Maybe I'm being brutal, maybe it's cause it's been a long day. It's most likely because I have my 10 month old daughter in the next room and the thought of anyone hurting her induces rage in me. Just thinking about it makes my skin itch and my heart rate go up.

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I don't agree with personal vengeance. He should definitely be punished, but follow due process of the law.

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Sharon - posted on 08/09/2010

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This sparked some interesting stuff with my & my hubby. he won't leave our 7 yr old at home alone with the boys now.

I kid you not. I told him that he had to trust our kids. he said "don't you think THAT dad trusted his kid?" fuck.

What is right any more?

Tah - posted on 08/09/2010

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being jeffrey dahmer is one thing...pulling a jeffrey on one of your other kids...that may be something totally different..

Tah - posted on 08/09/2010

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the emergency said that the hymen was intact and to go see her phycian...the boy admitted to it and the day AFTER the shooting..the girls doctor DID found a tear in her vagina.....and i dont care if he fingered her, humped her..he shouldn't be touching her or thinking about touching her...in anyway...my friends little cousin was being molested..not to be graphic but fingered by her moms boyfriend because the dizzy chick was letting this dude she had just gotten with watch her daughter while she worked nights and he would put her in the bathtub and finger her in there...one of the girls close male friends came by one night and saw that he had the girl in the tub and cussed him and the mom out...then the little girl told..she was 4 or 5...of course they can't find his ass now...but i would be on a constant search for him...and he wouldn't be any less dead....

April - posted on 08/09/2010

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i get the feeling that there's more to the story. the hymen was intact and i think there were also almost no scratches on the inside? maybe he didnt put his penis in her...maybe he fingered her and touched her privates. just because he said he raped her doesn't mean that he did. to me, there is a huge difference between being molested and being raped.



he might not know what the exact definition of rape is. just like in another debate..a teenaged boy believed that he couldn't get a girl pregnant because his parents told him he couldn't a girl pregnant until he's married. well he took that literally. he had sex thinking that it was impossible to have a baby until marriage. it goes to show you that sometimes teenagers get confused when it comes to serious issues like sex. you think they know everything about sex, but that often isn't the case.

Barbara - posted on 08/08/2010

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No, no way. That guy deserves to have the book thrown at him. What ever happened to being there for your kid no matter what?? Killing your own son who is begging for his life? That's inexcusable. Call the police, get him locked away, send him to a mental hospital, but you've got to be there for your kids. No matter what.
If one of my sons turned out to be Jeffery Dahmer, I'm still going to love him. I'd call the cops and have him sent to prison, but he'd have us, his mom and dad, in his corner forever.

Janessa - posted on 08/08/2010

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wow what a sad story :( I feel for the little baby girl and the dad. I do not think the father needs o go to jail period but he needs therapy and same goes for the little girl. I find it strange many of you say if it was your child you would not kill them but if it was someone else you would whats the differents both people are the same in there crimes against raping a younger person. I mean the boy was fucking 15 he likely would grow up to rape and do the samething another child and majority of those kinds of people do not change if that was my kid that did that to my younger child I would snap too.

Tah - posted on 08/08/2010

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i understand all of the no you shouldn't take the law into your own hands, but just the thought...the mere mention..of someone touching or raping my child..esp a 3 year old..i mean come on....i wish i had at least 1 of those machines that sharon has...but since i don't...a gun may have to do...maybe i am the one being harsh...but can you imagine..i mean how many times do people say to their older children, hey i'm running to the market, errands..etc..watch your brother/sister...can you imagine if your "good kid"..."football star"..."wrestler since the age of 4".."do anything you ask of him" son was raping his little sister?....i mean it's not like he was a weirdo who made you say, hey he'll never be alone with the kids, he was the average teenager on the outside, who would have thought he was raping his 3 year old sister...the physcial, mental and emotional damage to her alone is enough to make you want to hang him by his privates..which i would..literally....and who does know how many other children he did this to...cousins family friends..or would have...if she would have never said anything and just withdrew, stopped talking, started developing emotional issues, rage etc...noone would have thought that this was the reason, he was only caught because she started humping..yes humping her aunt's leg over and over and when the aunt said..what are you doing..she told..this is what he does to me...all types of things pop in your head...you hope and pray it isn't true..but when your child admits to doing it...it can cause a break from reality...no matter who you are...

Sharon - posted on 08/07/2010

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Um if someone molested my daughter - I've got 5 weapons outside all weighing in the tons that would make mince meat of them fairly quickly. I don't need a gun to get rid of garbage.

I don't understand how a parent can let scum like that live after they've destroyed their child.

Jill - posted on 08/06/2010

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He should go to prison. He snapped and killed someone. Period. I am not saying his anger wasn't justified, but what happens the next time someone hurts his kid? We have rules for a reason.

Tah - posted on 08/05/2010

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when i was talking to my husband about it i could see the expression on his face change..if said if anyone ever did that to sydney jail would be the last of that guys worries.and with my husband..her bio father and the uncles and cousins that she has i know it's true....it's horrible..and just can't imagine my 3 year old being raped by her brother..i am pretty sure i would lose touch with reality for a little while...i think temporary insanity is real and when emotions run high it can definitely happen...when his son confessed he probably had pictures of his 3 year being raped popping in his head by her brother...i had to work dayshift today..almost called out just to catch the second day of trial but i am going to do some research and see what happens.hopefully its on again tommorrow when im back to night shift..

Ava - posted on 08/05/2010

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Oh no, definitely not premeditated murder. What he committed was a crime of passion, which is typically second-degree murder and would probably gain some leniency from the jury due to the basis of the killing--- it wasn't just a little girl, it was a toddler. He would probably get a few years in jail, get off early on probation, with the sympathetic hand of the judge and jury who would probably also do the same thing in his shoes.

*Lisa* - posted on 08/05/2010

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This is an awful situation and something I have witnessed first hand. I understand the father 'snapping'. It's a natural reaction for a father to want to protect his kids, even from each other. I don't think jail will help him. He needs strong emotional support and counselling to help him deal with the whole situation. Not only does he have to worry about his little girl, but the guilt of killing his own son would be a heavy weight. He'll also be wondering where he went wrong to parent a kid who could do something like that. I hope the court finds the best way to help this man so he can still be a strong father to his daughter.

Sharon - posted on 08/05/2010

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My husband was flipping through the channels and caught part of the court proceedings. I didn't say anything about what the case was about, if he knew, he'd change the channel. But when he heard what happened, he nearly threw up and he hit "recall" asap.

He asked me if he heard right, I said yes, we'd talked about it on our debate forum and he shook his head. I think he was tearing up.

Lyndsay - posted on 08/05/2010

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Therapy. Not jail. Jail is for criminals. I would kill someone who molested my child too. I don't know if I could kill my other child, but obviously the man was not in his right mind.

Its all very sad.

April - posted on 08/05/2010

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i just don't agree with getting off scot free for killing someone, especially a young kid. those who are found not guilty by temporary insanity usually get to go free...no suspended sentence, no manslaughter...no house arrest.

Jackie - posted on 08/05/2010

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My Heart hurts for the lil girl ((hugs)). I think that the father should be given a suspended sentence. The father is probably going to struggle with the events that happened that day FOREVER. I'm sure he isn't proud of himself. I say temporary insanity. How can you say that temp insanity is crap? I know that if I found out something like that... I would lose my mind and do something that I would never dream of doing otherwise. Poor family.

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So heartbreaking,i would lose it but to kill my child i would like to think i would never do that no matter how bad it was or how angry i was but like many cases we never know how we will react until in the situation.It should be not guilty due to temporary insanity.I hope this man and his family can some how rebuild there family again and heal from the awful pain the have gone through.The have a lost a child and failed there young daughter..what the son did was unthinkable..he needed help and its a pity he was killed in the heat of the moment..i dont agree with an eye for an eye so i dont think killing over it was right.Even if he went crazy.We all need to be held accountable for our actions in some way.

Tah - posted on 08/04/2010

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he didnt get and load his gun...he owns rental property in a not so nice part of town, so months before any of this came out he went and got a gun permit for protection, living in detroit and his neighborhood isn't the greatest either, and he carried it with him unless at work delivering mail, so it's not like he had to go get a gun, load it and shoot the boy, they were having the family meeting and when the boy confessed the whole truth, he lost it...

Tara - posted on 08/04/2010

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This is so sad. If I found out that my 14 year old was molesting my 5 year old (my own kids ages in here for arguments sake) I lose it! I know I wouldn't physically kill him, but he would be gone from our home in a heart beat, right into a treatment/incarceration facility.
I do think the dad should do the time, he did commit murder, in the time it took him to get and load his gun, he knew he was wrong. To me, temporary insanity is a cop out in most cases. So he lost his mind for a few minutes. That few minutes cost a boy his life. Do the time.
The real loser is the little girl.
When I told my real dad about being sexually abused by my step dad (he and my mom were only together for 4 years), he flipped, and this was 30 years after the incidents. He wanted to go to this man's house and.... he didn't know what he would do when I asked him but he said if he had found out when I was 6 (when it was happening) he would have blown the guys brains out.
So... having been sexually abused by someone who was supposed to protect me, I can see how someone would lose it and react that way, however he is still guilty of a crime and must do the time.
The mother is nuts though, she can't begin to understand what this dad was feeling. It was his little girl, and his son.
Keep us posted on the trial if you can please.

Stifler's - posted on 08/04/2010

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that's pretty fucked up, i'd be so mad at my son. probably even disown him. i'd also probably be mad at myself for failing as a parent. the little girl is the real loser in this. she was sexually abused, her brother is dead and father is a murderer.

Lindsay - posted on 08/04/2010

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reading this made me feel physically ill. I can't imagine what this family is going through right now. It is just way too sad for me to even consider what should be done for justice in this case. Regardless of what the courts decide, this family is going to be dealing with this probably for the rest fo their lives...whether this father ends up in jail or not, there are no "winners" coming out of this...

April - posted on 08/04/2010

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i think he should go to jail. if you do the crime, you do the time. none of that temporary insanity crap.

Tah - posted on 08/04/2010

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exactly..i can see him being under alot of pressure. the little girls mother mad it clear that even though it was his son she was pressing charges, he's caught in the middle, trying to get to the bottom of it, his son confesses to humping the little girl, then that day to actually raping her..it is very emotionlly charged to hear your 3 yar old say such and such did this to me with my panties off and he hurt me...and to find out its your own son...her older brother who is supposed to protect her..its sad....i would have gone with the temporary insanity though there is nothing that would be tmeporary about the insanity that this situation would cause me...the the day after the incident, it's confirmed by the pediatrician..the little girl had vaginal tearing even though the ER docs said the hymen was intact..so apparently he did rape her...smh..its sad all the way around..

Hannah - posted on 08/04/2010

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Wow. This story made me sick to my stomach. I can't even imagine being in this situation. I feel sorry for the entire family and pray that they find peace somehow. I don't even know what should be done with the dad.

Tah - posted on 08/04/2010

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i'm watching his trial right now, and i know that the family is upset about the 15 year old dying but i am pretty sure that i found out that my son had raped his 3 year old sister i would snap..its almost worse when you find out it's incest than some predator on the street...it's on in session right now the whole case..


and yes..im back..lol

Tanya - posted on 08/04/2010

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I agree that the guy snapped. I don't think he should be sent to jail. Maybe probation with a lot of therapy.

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I think he should get off. I mean, he killed his own child protecting his other child...that's some heavy sh!t!!! What happened obviously made him snap.

Sara - posted on 08/04/2010

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On a side note: Tah, you're back!

That is horrifying in more ways than one. I often think if I found out that someone was molesting my child, I would want to hurt them...bad. I would go ape shit crazy and I don't think I could be held responsible for my actions. So I really don't know what to say about this. It's a human instinct to want to protect small children, but murdering your own child, even if it is in defense of a smaller one, seems crazy to me. I would say the guy snapped. He deserves a trial, you can't just go around killing people. As for his sentence, I can't really say....this is a tough one.

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