Daughter and Dad Reunite, make baby

Katherine - posted on 03/26/2011 ( 35 moms have responded )

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pregnant bellyIt would have been a beautiful reunion story. Last year, Penny Lawrence, 28, set out to find her birth father whom she had never met. From her home in Ireland, she was able to track Garry Ryan, 46, down in Texas. They met, connected ... and then connected a little too much. She's now pregnant with his baby.

It is beyond disturbing and completely and utterly unfathomable to me that something like this could happen, but they act as if it's the most natural, beautiful thing in the world. They say they're in love and deny that it's incest. Instead they say they are victims of Genetic Sexual Attraction. Lawrence told The Sun:

We are not committing incest, but are victims of GSA. We’ve never experienced a father-daughter relationship, so we’re just like any other strangers who meet in adulthood.

Only he's your BIOLOGICAL FATHER. You are not like strangers at all. This attraction may or may not be a real thing, I don't care. Even if you're attracted to someone, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SLEEP WITH THEM. Keep your feelings repressed and move on.

Ryan told the paper:

It’s no different than if I met Penny in a bar. I’d have fallen for her as I have now. It doesn't feel like we are doing anything wrong.

Only it's illegal ... and disgusting.

I'm sure it's tough to grow up without a father, but it still doesn't excuse or explain such a relationship. Apparently Ryan tried to marry Lawrence's mother when she first found out she was pregnant at 18, but he says her family "disapproved of the relationship and didn't want me around." Sounds like they were smart people.

If there wasn't a baby involved, I would be more willing to turn a disgusted blind eye to the whole mess, but when you bring a child into it, it's just flat-out wrong. They are clearly not mentally stable enough to serve as parents to this child, and I hope someone intervenes to see that they don't.

Do you think this father and daughter should be allowed to raise their child, who is a result of incest?

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Mrs. - posted on 03/26/2011

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Two consenting adults...they can do what they want. I think it's yucky and I'd worry about the baby having genetic problems. However, I don't think the very odd and yucky circumstances that brought the child into the world mean they will in any way abuse or neglect it.

Weirder things have happened, I suppose.

Mrs. - posted on 03/29/2011

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If this was two unrelated people who both carried the genetic markers for a disease that was not fatal but might cause birth defects, they were aware of this and they still had a child - would people still be saying they need that child taken away or that they will abuse the child?

It's possible some of you would find that equally deplorable. However, I do think most of the "take the child away" comments are mostly coming from a place of a daughter and a father making a child and having a relationship.

As disgusting as I think that is, even though they didn't ever meet until she was well into adulthood, they both consented and are adults. As someone who has always defending the concept of two consenting adults can do what they want, marry who they like and have children in the home regardless of how disgusting some might find who they have sex with....I gotta say, or I'm a hypocrite, that (as much as it make me wanna barf) they (even if it is now illegal) have the right to do so.

Trust me, this is the last thing I thought I'd be defending and I think the whole GSA thing is pretty lame. However, on the two consenting adults doing what they want sexually together, I gotta say I support their right to do that.

The child thing is iffy. I just question if the big protest is coming from a place of the genetic thing or just EWWWW! they are directly related and had sex thing.

Charlie - posted on 03/27/2011

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There is a father daughter couple in Australia with kids I believe ..... I think it is sick and selfish to bear children together I mean they have no qualms having a sexual relationship with each other who is to say they wont with their own kids or encourage their children to have a similar relationship as some kind of normal situation .

Iridescent - posted on 03/27/2011

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The majority of people who have a child with a severe genetic birth defect generally don't have more babies, or do all they can to insure that baby is healthy. A few don't, but some people just want attention and cause themselves and their children torture for it (Munchausen and Munchausen by Proxy, for example, except this method is legal). Going to genetic counseling, taking precautions to prevent pregnancy, doing everything you can to take care of the child you have with genetic problems, it happens because of random chance to most of us that it happens to.

It's not the same as this. This is intentionally combining a full set of recessive genes that are disease causing with an identical set of recessive genes that are disease causing, which causes disease. It's intentionally setting a child up for a huge mess of problems. Big difference.

Kate CP - posted on 03/27/2011

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If this IS real, then I'm worried for the baby. If these two have this "genetic sexual attraction" crap, then who's to say they won't be sexually attracted to their own child? Yuck.

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Jenni - posted on 03/30/2011

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Ok part of me can agree with those saying it's just like gambling with any other genetic factor....

The other part is having trouble rationalizing this because I'm struggling to get past the ick factor.



And I hate the idea that we don't choose who we fall in love with. Ehhhh we do... get over it. Don't care if you never had a father/daughter relationship. Just because I don't know some of my cousins, was not raised with them as cousins... I still say they're off limits to date.... are your choices really that limited? Haven't you heard of Lavalife?

JuLeah - posted on 03/30/2011

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Well, truth is, we are not all genetically related to the people our parents might have told us we were ... with all the sperm banks out there, who knows how many half brothers and sisters are hooking up? I agree, it is different when you know, as these folks did, but still ... I bet it happens more then we think

Elfrieda - posted on 03/30/2011

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I heard a radio program about GSA a few months ago. I had to listen for 20 minutes (and get thoroughly grossed out) before I realized that no, it wasn't a joke or satire. I kept waiting for the punchline!
All that said, I don't think children should be taken away from their parents unless there is a clear and big danger to the child.

Merry - posted on 03/30/2011

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I think I'd be equally opposed to two unrelated adults with genetic issues 'playing the odds' with conceiving a baby. Like I saw on tlc a couple with dwarfism and they were playing pretty high odds with conceiving, 50% chance their baby has dwarfism, 25% chance baby is average height, and 25% chance the baby dies. Personally I wouldn't take those odds, I'd use a egg or sperm donor or simply adopt. If 1/4 chance your baby dies, I think that's too big a risk to take.
So idk the stats on father daughter procreations, but if it's as dangerous as it sounds then I feel it's wrong from a standpoint of, you would risk creating a child to die or be badly deformed just because you want to try the traditional way. It's bad parenting. But I don't think the baby should be removed on that basis alone, it's the legality of it that makes me say the baby has to be protected from it's parents who obviously don't value the law.

Becky - posted on 03/29/2011

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For me, yes, it's the ewww factor. But it's also the fact that their relationship is illegal and they can never legally marry. (not that I think you have to be married to be good parents) It's also the concern that this may become an intergenerational thing.

Becky - posted on 03/29/2011

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Gross! Everything I think about this has pretty much already been said. I don't think they should be allowed to raise their child.

Mel - posted on 03/29/2011

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grose. Arent they risking having a child with problems because they are related

Sneaky - posted on 03/28/2011

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I find incest morally repugnant, but if they (father and daughter) want to have a relationship then that is their business. The idea makes me feel 'icky' but I wouldn't curse anyone to hell because of it.

However since they are now choosing to have a child together, which is incredibly selfish, I feel confident in judging them both to be completely unfit - they are putting, their feelings, their 'love' before the well being of that child. They had alternatives - if they wanted to be parents they could have done it with a sperm donor, but instead are choosing to make some kind of statement about GSA instead?

I'm not even going to touch the genetic ramifications (I think Amy and Katherine did that) but I do want to point out, it is not even just their child they are condemning to a life of genetic problems, but also their child's children and so on :o(.

Bastards.

Mrs. - posted on 03/27/2011

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Um, people who have a history of birth defects or genetic problems in their families have babies all the time. Not that I'm saying that's a good thing but really, I don't hear people saying their kids should be taken away because of it. Are they not fit either?

Stifler's - posted on 03/27/2011

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Um this is the 21st century, EVERYONE KNOWS INCEST CAUSES BIRTH DEFECTS! Even idiots. Does this not go through the mind of someone when having sex with someone directly related to them? If not, they're not fit to be a parent IMO.

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incest children are at risk for genetic issues because of this. If they want to be in a relationship..that's their own choice, but creating a baby knowing a higher probability for congenital birth defects...that`s wrong.

Janessa - posted on 03/27/2011

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OMG and you know what I think the baby should be aborted period. That is digusting and those people are a waste of space poor child because the baby might have genetic diease ect.

Desiree - posted on 03/27/2011

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Maybe Penny's family had reason to be against the marriage in the first place all those years ago. If he can do something like this with his grown up child, I can only imagine what he could have done while she was a child. Some of the old people seem to have had some kind of foresight all those years ago. Incest is illigal and makes my stomach turn.

Iridescent - posted on 03/27/2011

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Incest is illegal. In addition, they don't view breaking this law as a problem because "GSA" made me do it...but the baby will have the same genes (doubly so, in fact) that the daughter has, so the chances of the child being molested as a result with the excuse "GSA made me do it" is quite high, and the father still wouldn't view his actions as wrong, only biological.

Merry - posted on 03/27/2011

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I don't know if it's illegal to have sex with your daughter, but if it is then I'd say they need to be tried under the law and the kid should be protected from them. But if it's legal, then I don't think it's really the governments place to take the baby. I'd like them to take the baby, but if it's creation wasn't illegal I can't see how they could rationalize taking it.

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This is sick & twisted and those people are insane....genetic insanity. I read about a woman who gave up her son at birth and later reunited him when he was 16 years old...they found each other on facebook...and had a sexual relationship. She said she didn't see him as her son. Maybe she didn't buthe was still a minor which got her prison time for statuatory rape and a place in the national sex offender registry....and loss of her teaching job I believe.

Rosie - posted on 03/27/2011

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i agree with rebecca. it's two consenting adults, that DID NOT have any type of relationship before this. it would make a HUGE difference for me if they grew up together, and he raised her as his daughter. but really, it's just two strangers meeting and falling for each other.

yes, i think it's gross, but meh, there's worse things in the world. other than the fact that the kid could be genetically messed up a little, and it would be hard to explain to the kid how it's dad is also grandpa, and mommy is sister....they aren't abusing the child. give them time with their kid, worse people IMO have kids.

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Is this a hoax too like the lamp-puppy? Look at the source!! But if it is authentic, that's downright disgusting and I sure as hell hope & pray for a healthy child out of this!

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I agree its disgusting.They didn't meet not knowing each other,he said "its no different than if the met in a bar".Well yes it is very different, they met knowing who each other were.I wouldn't blame him if the met not knowing each other and he fell for her.The fact he met knowing who she was, his daughter and still fell for her is way to creepy...Its sick.

Also the risk of birth defects is very high.That poor baby is all i care about.

Iridescent - posted on 03/26/2011

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That is so sick. It's bad enough when it happens because they don't know, but when they do??? Makes you wonder if he'd have molested her if he had been allowed to raise her? Or if he'll have this "GSA" when the baby is born, and as it's growing up? (It's not molesting or incest...it's GSA!) No, if they stay together as a couple they should not be allowed to raise the baby, simply because that risk is so high. Plus the fact that now genetic defects are going to be a HUGE risk for the baby, but an even higher risk (nearly 100%) for any of the baby's children...which is so unfortunate. What are they setting up the child for?

Nicole - posted on 03/26/2011

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If a child was created out of incestuous rape that would be a different matter, but consentual sex that involves incest, while deplorable, does not rule out the possibility that they could be good parents

Nicole - posted on 03/26/2011

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That is a tricky one. I definetly think that they should undergo thorough psychiatric evaluation. If they clear and they have the income, social supports and energy to raise a child together, I do not think the child should be denied their mother and father.

Katherine - posted on 03/26/2011

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Oh dear GOD, how could this possibly be beautiful? No, I don't think they should be allowed to raise this child out of incest. Imagine the mental state and well being of the child!!! When they found out what would they do? Commit suicide maybe? Have problems with the law? Who knows, but the should NOT be able to raise this child.

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