Death Penalty?

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/07/2011 ( 17 moms have responded )

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Sorry I'm tired and I can't think of a catchy title. I wanted to discuss and debate the death penalty because even though most of the members here are either from countries where the death penalty isn't used or live in countries where it isn't used it's still worthy of a debate.

It's been proven that countries without the death penalty have less violent crimes than countries with the death penalty. It's also been proven that innocent people have been executed thanks to their state having the death penalty.

So which side are you on? And if you care to answer this are you also pro life or pro choice if you're for or against the death penalty.

I swear I'll do a better post in this tomorrow.

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Becky - posted on 11/08/2011

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My stance is kind of complicated, but I would say I am pro-life. And by that I mean, all life, not just anti-abortion. I do not believe that any one human has the right to take the life of another, ever. I'm anti-war, anti-death penalty, anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia, etc. On the other hand, I am also against the alternatives - barbaric dictators who kill thousands of their country's citizens because they happen to be from a different tribe or don't believe the same way. Violent criminals being released back into society with no guarantees they won't reoffend because they managed to tow the line in prison, or didn't get an adequate sentence in the first place. Mothers dying because their bodies aren't healthy enough to carry the pregnancy they are carrying, or because they're so desperate not to have a baby that they decide to perform an abortion themselves with a knitting needle. So, I think abortion, the death penalty, war, etc, are morally wrong, but I also think the alternatives are morally wrong. So sometimes, you have to choose what the majority believes is the lesser of the 2 evils.
To be clear, I do think that serial killers and rapists, and especially those who kill and molest children, (they are a special kind of scum) deserve to die. I just don't think that we, as fellow humans, have the right to kill them.

Lacye - posted on 11/08/2011

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I am pro-death penalty as long as they have concrete evidence against the person.

I'm iffy on the abortion thing. While I do believe all children have the right to live and be born, I also think it is not up to me to make that kind of decision for another person.

Michelle - posted on 11/08/2011

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I'm against the death penalty. I don't feel we have a right to take another persons life in any circumstance. But I also think that, on committing a crime, especially murder/assault, etc, a prisoner should lose his or her rights. Certainly in the UK the prison system doesn't seem particularly scary at all. I think what Texas Sherif Joe Arpaio has done creating his tent city jail is absolutely brilliant.

Jenny - posted on 11/08/2011

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I'm anti revenge killing but pro mercy killing. I'm 100% pro-choice.

In certain cases such as the Gacys, Dahmers and Picktons of the world I feel we should examine as throughly as possible so we may learn somethnig to help the sickness stop in the future and then humanely euthanize them.

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Aleks - posted on 11/08/2011

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What Becky Franklin above me said :-)
But to answer your question succinctly:
Anti- Death Penalty
Pro Choice.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/08/2011

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Abortion should NEVER be used as a form of birth control and pro choice doesn't equal pro abortion so that is a difference. Maybe instead of encouraging abortion as an out people should be more informed on adoption. Abortion isn't birth control and I don't believe it was ever meant to be birth control. Just an option if you're having serious complications with your pregnacy or in cases of rape or incest.

I'm iffy on the death penalty. I don't believe it's around to protect families as I've heard some people say and it doesn't work as a deterent for violent crimes. IMO it just provides an easy out for people because they don't have to think of what they did for the rest of their lives. But for people who aren't remorseful they should be euthanized.

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I am against the death penalty. First off, death penalty prisoners cost tax payers several times more than prisoners serving life sentences for violent crimes. Second, death penalty prisoners spend more years in prison awaiting death than prisoners serving non-death penalty sentences for similar crimes. Third, countries which do not allow the death penalty have consistently LOWER violent crime rates than those countries who do allow it. Thus, financially and sociologically speaking, it is better not to have the death penalty.

I am pro-abortion (I think everyone is pro-choice, the "choice" comes into play when deciding whether to have sex or not). Abortion is a means of birth control that should be available to all women--first, an unwanted child is a financial burden to society. Second, a mother who wants to abort the child is more likely to neglect the child once born, less likely to bond with the child, and more likely to suffer from PPD after a full term birth, Third, a mother who does not want her child has little interest in protecting it during pregnancy to ensure a healthy, adoptable child at birth. Fourth, most women considering abortion do not have proper information to give the child up immediately for adoption after birth, so the kid ages and gets stuck in the system instead of going to a good home. Fifth, a mother who is forced to raise a child before she is ready to have one is more likely to be a burden to society for the rest of her life, less likely to ever have the means get out of poverty on her own. Thus, it is best for all 3 parties if she just aborts the pregnancy if she does not want the child.

Rosie - posted on 11/08/2011

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i am for the death penalty in cases where there is DNA evidence. someone who kills somebody with premeditation doesn't deserve to live any longer in my opinion. there is no rehabbing a predator, besides why rehab someone who won't see the outside of prison anyway?

i am pro-choice.

September - posted on 11/08/2011

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I may be bias when it comes to this subject since I've lost two family members to murder. So to answer your question, yes I'm all for the death penalty. However I do feel for those that are wrongly convicted. I think in order to receive the death penalty you must be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm pro-choice.

JuLeah - posted on 11/08/2011

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It has actually not been proven that the death penalty results in less violent crime



Supporters of the death penalty make that claim. What I have seen is that prior to the death penalty going into effect, the study tracks all crimes ... jay walking to murder.



After the dp goes into effect, they track only the crimes that might result in the dp - so just murder - and what do ya know .... crime rate drops



Look close that the studies and note who paid for them



Look for studies that were not funded by supporters or non supporters of the dp



And, pro life/Pro choice .... apples and oranges here unless you can assure that all people questioned agree 'life' begins when sperm meets egg



Crime.... we have the means to deal with this prior to it becoming an issue, but we don't -



We were to invest in programs like Head Start, early childhood intervention ... were we better educated about addiction, domestic violence ... were we to invest more in our children's education - mentoring programs ... we were all to take on the responsibility to knowing our neighbors, supporting young families, supporting single parents .... if we raised kids in living communities where they didn’t see violence, had healthy food, felt safe enough to dream of a future .... would we even need to have a debate about the death penalty?

Firebird - posted on 11/08/2011

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If a person is proven guilty beyond any doubt for a heinous crime, then yes I support the death penalty. And I say beyond 'any' doubt because there are too many innocent people being executed, without indesputable evidence. Also pro choice.

Denikka - posted on 11/08/2011

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I'm pro choice for abortion, and I'm also all for assisted suicide.

And I am FOR the death penalty.

I would probably be less for it if prisons were more reasonable. But with prisoners sitting in jail, living the life for the rest of their years. . .just doesn't seem fair for me.

I think that once you're in prison, you've given up your rights. No internet, no TV, no extras.

They should have only the basics. Nutritionally complete food (heck, give them the same stuff that's served in hospitals. Nasty stuff XD), a mattress, pillow, blanket. Give them their outside time. I am even okay with allowing prisoners to go back to school to better themselves.

But I know some people in my hometown who were homeless and the would frequently commit petty crimes in the fall so that they would be put in jail in the winter instead of being on the streets.



I figure that if a person is given a life sentence (or several consecutive life sentences) then they are nothing more than a drain on the system. There are issues with the prisons being over crowded now. I say clean out some of the scum (and by scum, I mean the worst of the worst. Child molesters and extreme murders (BTK, Pickton, etc) to be specific)



I agree with the above post though, evidence should be concrete. Nothing wishy washy. Although I would almost prefer to see an innocent person put to death rather than seeing some of these monsters walk free because they qualified for parole for good behavior or something.

Jeannette - posted on 11/08/2011

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I am pro death penalty when the crime has been proven without a doubt to have happened. DNA evidence has to be concrete as well.
When I think of the term 'violent crime' I think of men usually using some sort of aggression. However, if a mother was proven guilty of abusing/neglecting, and killing her child(ren) - without a doubt - I would be for the death penalty for her.
Then, I am against the death penalty because DNA can be tampered with, witness testimony can be spotty, and the accused may not have good representation. For those reasons, we should abolish the death penalty so as not to kill an innocent person.

Sal - posted on 11/08/2011

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Pro choice...... As for the death penalty it is too hard for me, as you said I am from a country where it isn't an option for me on one hand I can't see what else to do with those criminals who have comitted the most horrendous crimes, rehabilitation has failed and the have proven they dont belong in our society, keeping them locked up indefinitely makes no ecconomical sence nor is it humain but execution seems too hard..... The though of one innocent person being wrongly executed is an unacceptable risk....

Sal - posted on 11/08/2011

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Pro choice...... As for the death penalty it is too hard for me, as you said I am from a country where it isn't an option for me on one hand I can't see what else to do with those criminals who have comitted the most horrendous crimes, rehabilitation has failed and the have proven they dont belong in our society, keeping them locked up indefinitely makes no ecconomical sence nor is it humain but execution seems too hard..... The though of one innocent person being wrongly executed is an unacceptable risk....

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