Did Marie Osmond's son kill himself because he is gay?

Jenny - posted on 03/05/2010 ( 11 moms have responded )

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I came across this post of Roseanne's and I agree with it completely. People who say they disagree with gay "actions" but not gay people and that they don't hate them do not realize the affects on their lives. People are dying because of this treatment!



What do you gals think?



She writes:

"marie osmonds poor gay son killed himself



because he had been told how wrong and how sick he was every day of his life by his church and the people in it. Calling that "depression" is a lie!



Yet the Osmonds still talk lovingly about their church, saying nothing about its extremely anti-gay Crusade. Marie also has a gay daughter! Hey, I want her and all the gay kids in the world to know that they are just fine being gay and that they deserve love and respect instead of insults and rebuke! I have gay people in my family and my circle of friends and I am kicking bigot ass and taking names!



That is how its done in my religion—(I have my own religion that I made up for myself and it is a great religion that actually works and respects facts and not fantasy!)



Gerald Lund one of the ex church apostles has three gay kids himself.



Yet, even though the people they say they love the most in all of their public displays and speeches (THEIR KIDS AND FAMILY!!) are gay,– their own children,for crying out loud- these people cannot find the christian decency and compassion within themselves to stop their hypocritical gay bashing!!



How sickening. I know so many mormon kids who were gay and committed suicide, and I just cannot and will not stay quiet in order to not offend bigots anymore. It is all so terribly depressing.



Marie please don't talk about how your faith in your church has helped you get through this one! Please get some integrity and tell that church of yours that you will leave it and stop giving it ten percent of your money if they don't stop trying to destroy your kids' and all gay people's civil rights and dreams and hopes!!



G-d is trying to use you for something good and this is your opportunity! Your church is wrong and on the wrong wrong wrong side of things! Get as vocal about that as you are about your diet. G-d bless you too, Marie.



Take a hard look at the facts now as you use this very sad time for introspection, healing growth and prayer, and become a strong symbol for loving mothers who make no apologies for hatred against their own kids!"



"yes i know that people get mad at me for the things i say



here that they think are insensitive and unkind. I say what I think needs to be said, though, and I always will, even if nobody listens. I really could care less. My opinion is my own and is well thought out. I decided a long time ago that I would not cower and stay silent when I feel things are wrong, whether it wins me fans money or praise or the opposite of those things. I am not a wimp, I am no democrat!"

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Johnny - posted on 03/05/2010

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Well, as usual Roseanne has displayed her special knack for making a good point the worst way possible. I am quite horrified that she would comment on any mother's choices that could have even possibly lead to a child's suicide. That is just beyond cruel and unkind. I don't even like Marie Osmond, by my heart aches for her. Roseanne should have found another way to make her point.

But I do agree with what she is saying. Growing up, my best friend's family were Catholics, and they have always followed the teachings of the church very closely (I just say that because I've met many Catholics who pick and choose which Church doctrines they support, ie. pro-choice Catholics). Their younger daughter came out of the closet as a lesbian when she was 27. She lived half way across the country from her family, and it turned out that she had been out to everyone else since she was 19. She had been in a relationship with another woman for 3 1/2 years and they had decided to marry. That was when she finally told her family that she was gay. They were angry, rejected her, insulted her, and shunned her from the family. She was told they did not consider her to be their child any longer, they were deeply ashamed of her, and she was to never contact them again. My childhood best friend broke with her parents on this, as did the grandfather. Now, my friend, her sister, and her grandfather are "family" and her parents have nothing to do with any of them. I will never understand this, when I see her parents, I will not even acknowledge their presence. How could you do this to your own baby? It disgusts me.

But people do this sort of thing all the time to their gay children. The first boy I ever kissed, another childhood friend came out of the closet when he was 15. We'd all known he was gay since he was a kid and his mother was accepting. But his father was not and kicked him out of the house. He came to stay with us for a few weeks and he was absolutely despondent and deeply depressed. My parents were very concerned for his safety, and the school counselor, principal and his mom agreed. He stayed in the house and his school work was brought to him. He was supervised almost all the time. I did not realize it at the time, but I think they were very worried that he would try to kill himself. He had a history of self-destructive behavior, and had deep self-hatred. The teasing and bullying at school was bad enough, but rejection from his dad hit much deeper. Fortunately, after a few weeks, his dad relented and admitted that he had been wrong. They did a lot of work on their relationship, even going to counseling as a family. After his mom passed away when he was 17, his dad stood by him and they have been super close ever since. He just got married last May in Ottawa, and his dad walked him down the aisle. He did a complete 180 on his views of homosexuality. But then again, his dad didn't follow a religion that promoted bigoted ideas about hating people for who they are as a tenet of faith. I guess that makes it easier to love people properly.

I used to be accepting of people choosing not to support homosexuality. I used to say that we are all entitled to our opinions, and I thought it was okay to hate the sin but not the sinner. But now I refuse to accept that people are entitled to hate others for who they are and not what they do. The argument that it is okay for a person to be homosexual but not commit homosexual acts is entirely false. Gay people are born that way and can not stop "acting" as homosexual any more than a straight person can stop "acting" as a heterosexual. It is the natural way of things, and there is nothing to prove the opposite. When parents do not accept the children they bore for being who they are (no matter what that is), they deny those children all of their birth rights. So very very wrong.

I'll skip my views on the Mormon church, since that will just get me in trouble and make this post even longer than it already is, lol.

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If its true that his church was against him and made his life unbearable he should have left that church. If his family werent so brainwashed by religion they would have put him first and walked away from that church too. If any of my sons came home and told me they were gay i would accept and support them and if anyone disagreed with what they were doing i'd tell them to mind their own business so how Marie can side with her church over the child she gave birth to baffles me.

Rosie - posted on 03/05/2010

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roseanne does open her mouth innapropriately sometimes, but i don't think that this is one of those times. it needs to be said, and it needs to be heard by marie osmonds family, and others for that matter, when his death is so fresh in their minds.

i think it needs to said so publically and made a controversy out of so that it can get the message across to more people. i will never understand why people use "god" as an excuse to disown their own kid. i've seen things where homosexuals are sent to therapy to "change" their wicked ways. what a great way to make your child feel even more like an outsider. fucking idiots!! hopefully she got to at least one family, and if she did that's good enough for me to excuse the wrong timing.

Esther - posted on 03/05/2010

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I completely agree Jodi. My husband's brother is gay. So are his aunt and uncle, so out of the three children his grandparents had, only my mother-in-law is straight, both of her siblings were/are gay (uncle passed away). Everyone in my husband's family is 100% accepting. It was never an issue. They also all live in Holland, the first country to legalize gay marriage in the world, so also a pretty accepting society. And yet, it still took my brother-in-law 19 years to come to terms with it. He dated MANY girls before he finally faced the truth and came out. It's not an easy thing to do. And it's not a choice. I would never in a million years feel any different about my son if he turned out to be gay. If that's what he is, than that's what he has always been. And I have loved him from the second he came into being. Homosexuality wouldn't even be a blib on the radar in terms of my love for him. That's as dumb as loving him less for being blond, or blue-eyed.

Jodi - posted on 03/05/2010

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Jenny, I see your point. I find it incredibly sad when families can't accept their children for their homosexuality.



As some of you know, my youngest brother is a homosexual. He went through a very turbulent adolescence in trying to understand his feelings. He really tried very hard to reject his feelings. If you could see some of the paintings he did in those years, you can actually interpret them to see his intense feelings about the matter. We lived in a very small country town (I am talking population 2000 people, so absolutely tiny, and also very small minded), so this was a very difficult time in his life. I couldn't even BEGIN to imagine what he went through.



I think he was around 19 or 20 when he finally "came out" and it was mum and dad he told first. My mum said she wasn't surprised. She had seen the signs. She'd always know he was different to the other boys (I have 3 other brothers), right from when he was a baby. My dad, it took him a little longer to get used to the idea, but he never stopped loving him. Within 12 months, my brother and his boyfriend were living WITH my parents, and it was all perfectly accepted.



My attitude to it is that my brother was the same brother I loved the day AFTER I found out he was gay, as the day before. I never loved him any less because of his sexuality, that is just nuts!!



But one thing I do know, is that even WITH the true acceptance of his family, he has still had to have many years of therapy to accept HIMSELF. But he had his family's full support in his life, so he felt able to face it. And yes, his partner, I consider as my Brother-in-Law.



In all honesty, I believe society is more accepting of a female homosexual or bi-sexual, than they are of a male one.



Someone I went to school with suicided many years ago (in his late 20s). He had a femal partner and a child. Two weeks later, his best "friend" suicided. He also left a wife and 2 children. Small country town. Homosexuality. Very, very sad waste of a life purely because of their sexual orientation. Its an absolute tragedy that never needed to be that way if people were just more tolerant. Even his family still denies it outright.



In my opinion, we give birth to our children and our love should be unconditional. A lot of people still love their children even if they are mass murderers. Why not if they are gay?

Jenny - posted on 03/05/2010

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I do agree that the timing is horrible. It is more the subject matter I think we should focus on than the Osmond family themselves though.



How do you reconcile one's church being a place of love when their policies are affecting the lives of our children in such a horrible way? There a large number of people all over the world that are taking their lives because of this. It is 100% preventable.



My family knows I'm bisexual and were accepting of it from the beginnning. I can't imagine how deep it would have cut me if they had said I was wrong for feeling the way I do or just outright shunning you for it. I would never speak to my parent again knowing how they felt about my "sinful lifestyle". So when do we say to the church itself enough is enough, we love our children unconditionally, and stop excusing bigotry because of religion?

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We don't know the whole situation BUT......Roseanne seems a little outta line in my opinion! I don't agree with any organized religion so I get what she's saying but this is what I would ask Roseanne........are you honestly surprised that the Osmonds still talk lovingly about their church? If they believe ' gay acts ' are wrong and they agree with their churches belief system then why are you shocked that they don't wanna confront their church? They believe what the church tells them to believe.......it's all kinda crazy to me! Just because someone or something says " that's the way it is! " doesn't mean " THAT'S THE WAY IT IS! "

Esther - posted on 03/05/2010

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I'm with Mary. I don't disagree with Roseanne either in that I do think a lot of gay people suffer tremendously because of the judgement they have to deal with because of the church they belong to (and usually the judgement from their families too as a result of what is being preached in those churches). However, the fact remains that Marie Osmond has lost her son. In a horrible way. And she must be absolutely devastated over that, and undoubtedly already questioning what she could or should have done differently, as any decent parent would. In this time of tremendous pain, her church probably is a great support to her. Maybe when some time has passed she will question some of the things being preached in her church, and maybe then she can speak out and/or do something about it. But right now, I think all anyone should say to her is how sorry they are for her loss.

Mary - posted on 03/05/2010

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Roseanne Barr



Funny, this post reads more like Rosie O'Donnell to me.

I don't disagree with her sentiments, but I'm not sure how publicly bashing a woman who has just lost her child is going to help anyone.

I have no idea what Marie Osmond's relationship with her son was like, or if she supported or shunned him. Either way, she has experienced the worst loss imaginable, and jumping on her ass before he's even buried isn't going to serve any good purpose, IMO. My guess is, she's beating herself up enough without some loud-mouthed celebrity who time has come and gone spouting nasty (albeit truthful), judgemental crap at her.



My mother was correct...."Two wrongs don't make a right".

Jenny - posted on 03/05/2010

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She was on TV, had a sitcom with John Goodman and a talk show. Not sure what she's up to these days, I think a radio show maybe?



Everything after "She writes:" was from her blog post.

Dana - posted on 03/05/2010

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I'm a little slow today. Who is Roseanne and is this whole post something she said or is some of this yours?

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