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Sharon - posted on 04/27/2010 ( 47 moms have responded )

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.. You can get hepatitis from handling fouled money? I handle a lot of cash and a lot of large denominations. I knew about the cocaine thing and I knew money was dirty but I didn't know HOW it was dirty per se.

I've always been a spazz about handling large volumes of cash. I have hand sanitizer in my office and I wash my hands every time I leave it and before I go back.

My husband took my daughter for her vaccinations and while chatting it up with the nurse he mentioned what I do and she recommended I get a hep vaccination.

Out of curiosity I decided to look it up. At the risk of painting myself ignorant I didn't know you got hep a from feces... and now... lol I'm scared. I have seen more than one guy shopping in our store with shit stains on his pants.

I did a few searches to see just how dirty money is but I just found this one anecdotal story..



http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/news/columns/prai...



By Julie Garden-Robinson, Food and Nutrition Specialist



NDSU Extension Service



Will he or won’t he? I thought to myself. As I watched the lone food service worker collect money from several patrons, I wondered whether he would wash his hands before preparing our food.



I must have been staring at him because he looked over at me. I probably was making him uncomfortable or irritated, but I think my scrutiny worked.



After collecting money from three patrons, he walked from the cash register to the counter to make our sandwiches. Suddenly he stopped, turned around, walked over to the sink and proceeded to wash his hands.



I was glad. Washing your hands after handling money is a good idea. According to the food safety standards in the food code, food service workers must wash their hands after engaging in any activity that may have contaminated their hands.



I remember being warned not to put money in my mouth as a child. As the saying went, “You don’t know where that money has been.”



Touching money and then eating a sandwich with unwashed hands is kind of like putting money in your mouth. Unless you wash your hands, you could be transferring organisms from the money to your hands to the food.



Just how dirty is money? Is handling money linked to illness? I decided to see what researchers have reported.



I did not find major warnings about money handling being directly related to illness. Some researchers, however, speculated that the potential was there.



U.S. paper currency has some built-in protections. For example, the ink and paper contain fungicidal agents. With use, though, the ability of the money to ward off microorganisms is weakened. Some metals in coins have antimicrobial properties, so that is another protective feature.



Money changes hands, though. Money is handled by numerous people throughout a community and potentially, money can travel around the world in pockets and wallets.



After studying the bacterial levels on currency in their nations, New Zealand and Australian researchers found relatively low bacterial counts on their currency and coins. However, they did detect salmonella, E. coli and staphylococcus.



Although low numbers of bacteria were present, the researchers decided that more study was needed to learn whether the bacteria could be transferred to humans.



U.S. Air Force physicians helped a high school student from Ohio with a science project that examined bacteria on dollar bills. They collected the dollars from people at a concession stand during a high school athletic event and from a grocery store. Then they went to work in a lab to identify bacteria on the money.



They identified 93 types of bacteria on the bills and two out of three dollars had at least one kind of bacteria. Staphylococcus and klebsiella were among the bacteria they identified. Both of these can make you sick.



Should we be worried? We don’t live in a sterile world. Germs are all around us, on surfaces and items we touch. Fortunately for us, one of the easiest ways to protect ourselves from a variety of illnesses is simple: proper hand washing.



Be like the food service worker who is required to wash his hands frequently. Wash your hands often. Lather up for at least 20 seconds. Time yourself and see if you are shortchanging yourself on hand hygiene.



If you’ve washed your hands, you are ready to make yourself a sandwich. Here’s a novel sandwich courtesy of the Wheat Foods Council at www.wheatfoods.org.



Pizza Salad Pita Pockets



3 6-inch whole-wheat pitas



6 leaves romaine lettuce



8 cherry tomatoes, halved (or use chopped tomatoes)



1/2 c. chopped red onion



1 c. sliced mushrooms



1 13.75-ounce can artichoke hearts, packed in water, drained and quartered



1 ounce pepperoni slices, cut in half



1/2 c. pizza sauce



1/4 c. grated low-fat mozzarella cheese



3 Tbsp. red wine vinegar



1/4 tsp. garlic powder



In a medium mixing bowl, stir together the tomatoes, onion, mushrooms, artichoke hearts, pepperoni, pizza sauce, cheese, vinegar and garlic powder. Warm in a microwave oven for about one minute. Cut each pita in half and warm in a microwave about 30 seconds. Stuff each pita with a lettuce leaf and add one-third of the pizza salad. Serve immediately.



Makes three servings. Each serving has about 370 calories, 8 grams (g) of fat, 60 g of carbohydrate and 13 g of fiber.



(Julie Garden-Robinson, Ph.D., L.R.D., is a North Dakota State University Extension Service food and nutrition specialist and associate professor in the Department of Health, Nutrition and Exercise Sciences.)



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I included the sandwich recipe because you read my boring post, lol

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Jodi - posted on 04/30/2010

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No you didn't, but I thought it was f'ing funny that you gave yourself a serve :)

Sharon - posted on 04/30/2010

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lol wth??? I responded to the wrong thread, lmao I told myself I asked for negative responses? HAHAHAHA

Jodi - posted on 04/30/2010

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Jess, I think you will find that Woolies, being a large organisation, was required to put these measures in place due to the PCI Data Security Requirements, based on the requirement to "restrict physical access to cardholder data" under the standards. Because they churned employees regularly, there are potential security dangers. As a small business, however, it would not be considered a security threat if the merchant facility has restricted access by staff anyway.



A standard it not law, it is a requirement by the banks, and it is assessed based on circumstances of the business (merchant).



http://www.pcisecuritystandards.org

This is the organisation that governs Merchants and Banks in Australia.



And to the OP, get over it, you asked, now live with it.

Sharon - posted on 04/30/2010

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oh and to the OP . you plainly stated you expected nasty responses.. you KNEW what you were doing.

Jess - posted on 04/30/2010

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Its a long weekend here, the banks will all be shut ! But if I remember next week, I will !

Sharon - posted on 04/30/2010

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How about calling a QLD bank today and asking? It'll settle the question once & for all. I don't live there and I'm fascinated, lol.

Jodi - posted on 04/30/2010

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Just to add, Jess, the banks still issue the swipe machines (do you know the ones I mean), where it is absolutely necessary to handle the card. Our business has one of these in case of emergencies, and it was issued by our merchant (admittedly 7 years ago), for occasions when the EFTPOS machine went down. You can't use these without handling the card.

Jodi - posted on 04/30/2010

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It sounds very much like Woolworths didn't want to open itself up to fraud :) Which is totally understandable. I remember the days BEFORE EFTPOS machines, I used to work for a bank many moons ago (like hundreds), and been running businesses with merchant facilities for around 15 years, as well as studied business law.....and I've never heard of such of a law. But I can definitely understand WHY a business would have such a policy in place.

Jess - posted on 04/30/2010

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I am 100% sure it was law. To check the signature, they ask the customer to flip the card over. Now that skimming machines exisit and all sorts of nasties, the laws may have been amended, I guess now you have to be more worried about what random has access to the machine rather than your card. But I probably even still have the extract of the law in a box at my parents house ! It was very much drummed into us to NEVER touch the card because you don't know who the customer is and who they work for ! I live in Qld, so if you live interstate it may be different ? Not sure, but worth keeping in mind.

Jodi - posted on 04/30/2010

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Jess, was this a Woolies procedure or a law? because seriously, how the heck else can you check the signature on the back of a credit card? I would say it is possibly a Woolies procedure because they didn't want to get blamed for any fraud, and with so many staff, wanted to ensure they were covering their butts. There is a possibility that rather than being law, it was a condition of their merchant because of the nature of the business.

Sorry, Jess, but having owned and run businesses for years, I don't believe it is actually "law". If it was, our merchant facility would have advised us. All of the terms and conditions are provided at the time you sign up for a facility, and amendements are sent from time to time as the law changes, or as the guidelines of the facility change.

Jess - posted on 04/30/2010

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Jodi, you need to be very careful when touching someone else bank/debt card because it is illegal. I use to work at woolies and we were given a copy of the legal act. It was part of our training. This came about because people were making copies of cards (back in the day when you needed the card). I think you would be hard pressed finding someone who would have you charged... BUT it is illegal non the less..... did you know until recently their was a law that made it illegal to leave the toliet seat up ! Yep, don't have to dig far to find laws that are completely ridiculous !

?? - posted on 04/29/2010

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Chip & Pin Pad makes sense... but I still like pin number puncher-in'er thing ;)

?? - posted on 04/28/2010

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hahahaha I have no clue what the hell they are called so I was tryin to describe which part I meant !! hahahaha does anyone know what they're called? Cause then I can stop saying pin number puncher-in'er thing, and Kelly can stop pokin fun of me :-P



Pin pad console?

Pin number device?

Pin attachment?

P.A.D. - Pin Attachment Device !



Pin Number Puncher-in'er ! haha you know what I meant !! Brat !!

Kelly - posted on 04/28/2010

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Jo, I always wanted to know the official name for those pin pads. "Pin number puncher-in'er thing....." Thanks for the info ;-)

?? - posted on 04/28/2010

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Around here most places swipe your debit card on the base machine instead of on the lil hand held pin number puncher-in'er thing because if the cashier swipes it all it does is do the transaction, but if the card is swiped on the hand held pin number puncher-in'er thing then it does the transaction and also records your information in the machine. So to protect customers, they swipe at the base machine and not the hand held, and most of the hand held swiper things even have masking tape or some sort of tape with a sign that says "No Swiping" or "We swipe"

Kelly - posted on 04/28/2010

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Thanks for the info Sharon! My husband managed topless bar for a few years after the Army, so I already knew just how dirty money can be...... Just thinking about seeing some of the things people did with money in there makes me cringe.... I also am one that very rarely has cash on hand. debit cards are great, if you remember to use the potty and not your pocket when you have to take a dump that is.

Emma - posted on 04/28/2010

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Im vaccinated for everything under the sun, plus when i was working would go and have regular screenings for everything.
Working in the Bar trade you come in contact with hundreds of people, toms of money and every so often vomit and crap.
We have big problems with Super TB hear so that's also a huge worry, and last year my nice caught bacterial meningitis in the local mall, she was lucky the Doctor caught it in time there was another student that caught it too he sadly was not so lucky.

ME - posted on 04/28/2010

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The sandwich sounds fantastic!! Thanks!!!

I never have money! I only use my debit card or occasionally my checkbook, I have always known cash was gross, and didn't like having to accept it when I worked retail...Luckily, most people pay for things with their bank card now...This is actually a sore point for me..(Personal Rant) my mom always offers to take me out for lunch, then asks me to leave the tip if she pays the bill...EVERY F-ING TIME I have to tell her that I don't carry cash...and I can't do that...i either have to pay for my lunch or not pay for anything...and then she gets this surprised and dissappointed look on her face and says "oh...I see"...

And Jo...that's freaking funny!!!

Jodi - posted on 04/28/2010

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Jess, it is illegal to touch what? Are you talking about a debit card? Bank cards don't exist any more (well, that's not what they are called.....). Where in Australia are you?

And it isn't illegal in Australia......We help our customers use our EFTPOS terminal all the time :) I think if it were illegal, we would know about that.....

Sharon - posted on 04/28/2010

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One of these days it'll be like I see it on the commercials... you walk through the store putting all your items in your pockets or bags and as you leave the scanners will take note of everything you have AND your visa card or embedded personal chip and your transaction is done.

Cool & creepy at the same time.

Jess - posted on 04/28/2010

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Ok so just went and read up on Jo's post. I don't let anoyone touch my bank card. Here in Australia is actually illegal for a cashier touch your bank card. My card has pay pass, so I wave it past the machine and it completes the transaction ! I never carry cash... Yay for plastic !

Jodi - posted on 04/28/2010

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Are bank cards not the same as debit cards? Just a joke.......I just found it funny after having read Jo's post ;)

Jess - posted on 04/28/2010

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Did I miss the part about bank cards ??? Surely my personal bank card doesn't have nearly as many germs as circulated cash ?

Jodi - posted on 04/28/2010

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Jess, God gave us plastic to wipe our arse? Did you not read Jo's post? LMAO!!!

Jaime - posted on 04/27/2010

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Thanks for posting this Sharon...might be boring, but well worth knowing! Oh, and thanks for the sandwich recipe...lol.

Sharon - posted on 04/27/2010

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LMAO Jodi - so when you say "this tastes like shit.." you might actually know?? lmao sorry I'm kidding.. I know I was immunised but I think the hep vax's have lapsed

Charlie - posted on 04/27/2010

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Yeah ive always been sketchy about money and its germs .

sandwich sounds great !

Lindsay - posted on 04/27/2010

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Oh yes, money is the filthiest thing out there. When I was working at the credit union, they had us turn in our vaccination records to make sure they were up to date before starting. If vaccinations were not up to date, they provided them to employees if they were desired. But if you chose not to get them, you were required to sign a wavier that you were aware of the risks but are opting out. Individually, I handled $50,000+ a day and handwashing was a must. There was one lady there for a short while that was forever snacking at her desk while handling the money. She was often sick as well. Coincidence? I think not!



and a fun little tid bit if you didn't already know...American money is actually made from a cloth instead of paper. I did not know that before our training for fake bills.

Sharon - posted on 04/27/2010

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lmao Jo, yeah at lunch time our subway has 4 people working, one doing the bread & cheese, two doing fillings and #4 takes the cash. Its also walk in only. Nice huh? LOL

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2010

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Jo, they do at my local Subways. But we don't have a drive thru subway. They have one person who does the money and the drinks, etc while the other makes the sandwiches. Kind of like going down a process line.

?? - posted on 04/27/2010

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Oh, the 1 subway on the other end of town has 3 people that work - prep, drive thru and front. And if it gets busy then drive thru and front work together to do all orders. But I've never seen an employee designated as the money person at any subway that I've been too, or Quizno's either. It's always been the same person that makes the sandwich that rings it in the till.

?? - posted on 04/27/2010

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They have dedicated people for the money at your subway??? They don't here. The same person makes your sandwich as rings it up in the till. There's usually only 2 people working at a time. 1 person doing prep and 1 person doing the orders. And if it gets busy then both do both.

I don't have THAT many gross stories... they just all seem to be coming to the surface these days !!! lol

Sharon - posted on 04/27/2010

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I forgot to mention that I read hep A can live for 6 MONTHS - outside of the body.. under what conditions... not sure...

Jo - omg soooo scary!!!

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2010

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That too Sharon, but a lot of places I've been there isn't. Subway has someone dedicated to taking the money ;) So I like going there.

Jo, where do come up with all these gross stories!!! You must be some sort of gross magnet!!!

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I actually did know you can get all sorts of crap from handling money and it's always made me very paranoid.

Awkward story...

When I was manager at a retail store my co-worker went on duty to cover me for my break. I went into the back room, got my lunch out, washed my hands and proceeded to eat my sandwich and read a book. A few minutes later Magan came into the back room goin "EW EW EW EW EW THERE'S SHIT ALL OVER HER STUFF EW EW EW EW EW" and I was like "ok stop over reacting... we have wipes..." and she was like "NO. I mean Literally SHIT... POO... FECES... ALL OVER..." So I went out to the cashiers desk and this hobo lookin woman took a debit card out of her pocket and said "I want to pay with this." And there was some sort of feces all over her hand, her card, her arm... her jacket, down her leg.. it's like someone took a dump in her pocket and she didn't care.

We ended up calling the cops to have this woman removed from our store because she refused to leave because we refused to touch her shit covered card. The police officer then asked for a paramedic to come in and have the place disinfected' and the paramedic asked us if we had touched, even by accident, anything that she had touched and we both said no, and then he asked if we wear gloves while handling the money and we both said no and he informed us that we should both make sure we're up to date on our vaccinations, just in case.

So gross.

Sharon - posted on 04/27/2010

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lmao my sandwich shop has a designated money taker. The other guys make sandwiches, but just one guy takes the money... he does grab condiments for ya though, lol.

Dawn - posted on 04/27/2010

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Oh gross. I never really thought of money being dirty like that. I'm going to have to wash the kids allowance before giving it to them!!

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2010

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LMFAO @ the sandwich recipe!! It does sound very nice

Which strain of Hepatitis? A, B or C? I didn't know you could specifically get Hep from money, but I did know money was one of the filthiest thing in any food business. It actually freaks me out when these people in cafes make the sandwich for you and then, with those same gloved hands, process the payment...... by rights, correct food handling hygiene is to use one gloved hand to make the sandwich (that is, it should be the only hand to actually directly touch the food) and the other hand to handle the money. If they are not using gloves, hands should be washed and sanitised between each sandwich made (which obviously isn't practical during a busy lunch service).

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