Disabled so you can't fly....

Tah - posted on 10/19/2010 ( 18 moms have responded )

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/16/hum...

So what do you think, does the airline have a point.?..

Do they have the passengers and crew best interest at heart?

i know where i work if there is an emergency, it's basically survival of the fittest, you evacuate those who can walk, then those who use wheelchairs and then, if you can, the bed bound patients if you have any. So is that what this is in a way?....

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C. - posted on 10/20/2010

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Ok, seriously.. There are multiple exits on an airplane if the aircraft is big enough.. So..??

Look, if you would help any other person off an airplane in the event of an emergency, even if they were knocked unconscious, would it really matter if the person had CP, EP or any other form of a disability?

I'm sure you would expect to be rescued in a plane crash if you were still alive but unconscious. And if you were unconscious, you wouldn't be able to walk or anything.. How is this any different from helping someone with a disability??

Caitlin - posted on 10/20/2010

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If I was on a plane that crashed (without my kids of course) i'd help the person next to me if they broke their leg and couldn't walk, i'd help them out, not just say "well screw that" and take off, so I don't see that being much different from someone with CP.. I knew someone with CP. He wasn't completely paralysed, he could walk short distances with a walker, so depending on the severity, I doubt this guy wsa completely imobile. Considering he was traveling alone, I doubt he was expecting the stewardess to pick him up from him wheelchair and put him in the airline seat or vice versa.

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Jenn - posted on 10/23/2010

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Well, if they already have a policy in place, then I guess they were correct in doing so. However, shouldn't they have thought of that BEFORE they allowed him on the plane to begin with?

C. - posted on 10/21/2010

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Sharon, yes I HAVE flown before.. Many times AND they were long flights (most of them being 16hrs or more + layovers).



Yes, I have been in a rough flight where some of the overhead bins popped open and luggage fell.



My thing with this is, you're acting like the handicapped person is completely incapable of doing anything themselves. Some people with CP can actually do a lot. It depends on the severity of it. Obviously this man was able to do things by himself or he wouldn't have been flying w/o help. Just b/c you have a disability doesn't mean you can't do ANYTHING w/o help. I've had EP since I was born. The ONLY time I needed help doing something was when I had my son. He was too slippery during bath time that I couldn't get a good enough grasp on him. Other than that, I quickly learned to adapt to my surroundings.



This man was in his forties?? He had flown before-- And apparently w/o discrimination. There was no need for it if he could help himself. They just didn't want him to fly b/c he was disabled. It had nothing to do with whether he could help himself or not.

Sharon - posted on 10/20/2010

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Christina - have you EVER flown before???

Do you know how high off the ground an airplane is? There is no way for someone to easily help another person off the plane SAFELY. Especially in a panic situation.

have you EVER been in a rough flight and had the over head bins pop open spilling luggage into the aisles? Could you see a handicapped person struggling over that crap to get to an exit?

A drunk person isn't helped off a plane. If they are so inebriated they can't walk - security is called in to help them off.

Parents with 4 small kids aren't helped much either.

An older person who can't walk or help themselves also has to have a flight companion.

A person injured in the crash - whose responsibility that falls under, remains to be seen. Theres' a reason why victims want to worship their heros. Those who didn't make it? Why not? Maybe they could have been helped but weren't. Hard to say now, isn't it?

People on crutches - you can't fly with a cast on. They do have special softie casts for airplanes IF your fracture is far enough along.

PLUS with all those "normal" people on the flight who might need help - we need to add to the flight attendent load of someone who could never help themselves to begin with?

You can buy the attendent services of a flight attendent same as a companion for a small child flying alone.

JuLeah - posted on 10/20/2010

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I believe that airline will lose big on this, It was stupid of them. For them to assume they know best for this man, to assume they know his abilities and limitations better then he does, to assume he will be a danger for others because of his disability ... yah, they will lose big here.
They might have to help him out in an emergancy, as they would a person who opted to drink 7 or 8 glasses, or as they might an older person, oa a small child, or a person injured in the crash, or a person on crutches after a fun weekend skiing, or a parents with 4 little ones in tow ..... they were stupid

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Yeah I see what you mean...and I don't think that the air stewards should be carrying people fullstop..it's not in their job description.

Sharon - posted on 10/20/2010

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A bus has multiple exit points. It is low to the ground and although it carries fuel - its not likely to explode. If it does ignite, it tends to stay localized and move fairly slowly (in comparison with airline fuel). Explosions like what you see in the movies rarely/never happen.

But airplanes are different. IF there is a minor crash and IF there is an ignition source, it WILL explode. All the survivor stories I've read about or heard on the news, talk about the roaring the fireball that blasted its way through the cabin. It has to do with the plane design, fuel tank location, oxygen stored for high altitude issues, etc.

does that make any more sense?

Not to mention when a bus crashes - its generally near population? so there is help on hand, cars passing by can help, but when a plane crashes, the pilot aims (if possible) for unpopulated areas (because of the potential resulting fireball) so help is a long time coming.

C. - posted on 10/19/2010

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That's the most fucking ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I have Erb's Palsy and if I didn't have to worry about flying with my son, I would fly alone when necessary. It's discrimination and this airline should be sued. I know, I know.. Sue happy.. But you know, when it hits that close to home, I really don't care if I seem so.

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Caitlin I guess I hadn't looked at it that way tbh probably because the plane crashes I'm going by are on films in which they usually get off lightly on the plane then just make their way to the exit. However, there is a huge difference between lifting hand luggage and a person! At the same time though I don't see bus companies refusing disabled people getting on in case they crash so it's rather petty!

Sharon - posted on 10/19/2010

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They have a point. Its a bit lame but its still legit.

If he was that incapacitated, in the event of a crash or emergency landing - could he get himself out? would someone be there to help him out?

No.

He didn't meet the requirements ALL american airlines have, therefore he was escorted off.

However - I think its time to change that rule. You can sign a waiver. In the event of a crash or emergency landing, the flight crew is not obligated to help you off as it would put their lives at risk.

A plane that has landed in an emergency situation, or has crash landed is chaotic with luggage falling out of the overhead bins. hell. A hard landing can make that happen.

I'm all for letting them burn alive in their "handicapable" state.

Caitlin - posted on 10/19/2010

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Jennifer - if it was that bad of an amergency, chances are there would be injured people on the plane, and they might not be able to walk to the exit either, do you leave them stuck int heir seats as well? It doesn't make sense to me to deny his boarding for such an out there "maybe" scenario. If a crewmember injured their back carrying the man out, well, that's part of the job, they could just as easily hurt their back putting someones carry on in the overhead compartment. Every job has risk, flight attendants know what they should expect.

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In a way it is dfiscrimination but when you look at it like this - it isn't the air stewards' job to carry a disabled man off a plane if there's an emergency situation. If he's incapable of getting to the emergency exit by himself then I can see their point. I don't think it's a matter of him being a risk to crew and other passengers, more so the fact that helping a disabled person to an emergency exit could injure a crew members back fro example.

All in all if he feels comfortable travelling via airoplane alone then he should, by using a different airline.

Caitlin - posted on 10/19/2010

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I can understand in an emergency situation that it would be hard for the airline staff to worry about unstrapping the man and helping him to the emergency chute, but I don't see what the big deal is about leaving him till last. You aren't really going to tell everyone to wait if there's a fire because you have to help the man. I don't see why they didn't ask another passenger if they would help him. After all, the person that has the emergency aisle seat is responsible for opening the door in an emergency (depending on the plane setup), so why not ask someone if they'd be willing to help him out of his seat in an emergency. I mean, if I were disabled, i'd rather be mishandled and tossed down the emergency chute than be left to burn in a plane on fire. Air travel is tricky for people with special needs, why should he have to pay for a second ticket for someone to sit next to him. Sounds like the staff just didn't feel like helping him with everrything while he was on the flight and used this as an excuse.

Tah - posted on 10/19/2010

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i hope they aren't that bad..my kids use them all the time....and i do think it is his decision...

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