Disinfect the world? - A bit Rant-y

Megan - posted on 05/23/2011 ( 35 moms have responded )

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I've noticed lately that just about everything is disinfectant or antibacterial. Which can be really useful when it omes to flu season when you've got a fragile baby or something like that but what about when your kids are a bit older? By disinfecting everything around them and not exposing them to any kind of sickness or bacteria (i'm talking about weak bacteria, not E.coli or anything like that) it weakens their immune system. That' how Crohn's disease came into existense. People were 'too healthy' and this bug came along and their immune systems went into shock. As a kid, I drank water from the hose, put just about anything in my mouth, and just like any other kid, got sick. My parents didn't scrub everything down with antibacterial soap when I was growing up. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely think you should keep things clean. But I think people get a little ridiculous these days when it comes to disinfecting everything around them and their family. There's protecting your kids, and then there's sheltering them too much.

I don't know, maybe it's just me. But I jsut don't see why people suddenly feel the need to disinfect everything - especially when you have kids (school aged, not babies/toddlers.)

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JuLeah - posted on 05/24/2011

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It is not sudden, but has been pushed since companies that make such products found a nich in the market. It is dangrous for our kids, yes. You are correct.

Megan - posted on 05/24/2011

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Oh, another thing I forgot to mention. I can't get over how STUPID the new lysol touchless soap pump is. I think it's things like that that are completely unnessessary.
'Don't touch the germy soap pump!' do people not realize that you're touching the 'germy' soap pump to get soap to WASH YOUR HANDS?!

In some ways keeping clean is great, but I've seen a lot of parents who go over the edge and keep their kids in a (metophorical) bubble. They spray lysol all over everything constantly, and they end up hindering their children's curiosity and making them afraid of the outside world because of the 'germies'. That's what I think is wrong.

It's also worth pointing out that disinfectant sprays can only kill off the weak bacteria. So when you spray it everywhere, you're just exposing yourself and everyone around you to stronger bugs they may not be able to fight off on their own because of a weakend immune system.

Katherine - posted on 05/23/2011

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Hmmmm, I guess I'm a bit of a germaphobe when it come to that. I don't mind my kids getting dirty don't get me wrong.



But hell no are they going to touch a public toilet seat bare-assed, or eat off of a supermarket floor. Ok that's extreme.



I am clean and I do agree that being TOO clean isn't good. I guess so much crap is flying around these days. It's hard NOT to want to stay clean.

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Lady Heather - posted on 05/25/2011

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My kid gets dirty and I don't much care. Sure, I get grossed out by some of the stuff she does, but I probably did the same when I was her age. It's all within reason. I don't let her grab into public toilets or pick up cigarette butts. But our house is not disinfected. I use homemade cleaners and steam. I am allergic to most store bought cleaning products anyways.

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Anti-bacterial crap on her nipples before breastfeeding?! Yeah, let's get all the possible germs off these things by poisoning my baby. She's lucky her kid isn't dead! :(

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I'm the opposite of a germaphobe.... ;) Granted, we DO have antibacterial liquid hand soap, but that's only cuz the cheapest brand doesn't come any different.... lol

Megan - posted on 05/24/2011

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Elfrieda - I too, ate dirt as a kid, haha. Just about every kid will do it at one point. It's natural curiosity! I completely agree with the bleach comment aswell. Stay away from germs, but bleaching everything you touch is okay? I'd rather deal with a sick child then have them ingest even a little amount of a harmful chemical.

Megan - posted on 05/24/2011

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I apologize, I didn't mean to offend you. I was simply trying to make my point more clear in the fact that if you are not exposed to sickness and germs and your immune system is weak and then you get hit with a super-bug, then worse things can happen then simply having the sniffles for a week. I did say I wasn't an expert, that's just what I know from my experience in what I've read and then asked someone who has experience in the workings of the human body.

Megan - posted on 05/24/2011

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Kelli - I can't believe people actually buy that thing! Mass hysteria at it's finest, haha.

I have an aunt whose kids were not ever allowed to paly outside, and everything is carefully monitored in her house. She's a hypochondriac, and believes she has every allergy and sickness out there, when realy she's perfectly fine. Her kids ended up missing out on a lot of typical childhood things because she didn't want them to go out side and get sick or hurt. To me, that's just too much.

Jenn - posted on 05/24/2011

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"when people believe things and it is a part of their belief system they often present them as fact, which to them it is. I see no need to nit pick her OP."

That's fine if you're talking about something like God, that could be a part of your belief system, and I understand that people will sometimes present their beliefs as fact to the world. When talking about a disease, it isn't part of her belief system - that makes no sense. I have never seen anything that says that YES this is what caused Crohn's disease, only that it's one possibility and they don't know what causes it.

Megan - posted on 05/24/2011

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Jenn, I am by no means an expert, but I've read and also confirmed with someone who majored in biology, that that's how it was originally started. As in, the first-ever case. It started among the higher society people who were very clean, and then worked its way down to those less fortunate and less clean. I don't know much about the disease itself, only that it was originally caused by a parasite(super-bug) sending a weak immune system into shock. I'm guessing that it then developed into the disease it is now. I read a book largely based on parasites and they reference Crohn's disease and how bacteria and parasites can be our friends by strengthening our immune systems.

Elfrieda - posted on 05/24/2011

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I totally agree with the OP. What boggles my mind when people wash their toys, highchairs, or other things with Lysol or bleach, is that they really think that they're doing something good for the baby. I mean, come on people. Would you rather have your baby put some dirt in his mouth, or some BLEACH!?!



I'm not totally against Lysol and bleach, I just think there are times and places for it. Personally, I use bleach a handful of times each year. If the cat has puked on a toy, yes, bleach that thing! But then I scrub and scrub with my regular (non-toxic, Shaklee brand) soap so that the baby will not be exposed to that poison.



My son eats dirt, for crying out loud! It's not going to hurt him to touch something with a few germs on it.

Kellie - posted on 05/24/2011

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when people believe things and it is a part of their belief system they often present them as fact, which to them it is. I see no need to nit pick her OP.

Jenn - posted on 05/24/2011

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Well, perhaps that's part of one theory, but it isn't fact as she stated in her OP. I just don't like seeing people say things that aren't true and presenting it as fact.

Kelli - posted on 05/24/2011

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Ha Ha Megan....I said the same thing with the touchless soap pump came out. Didn't understand the point of it when you are using soap to wash the germs off!! I think the whole anitbacterial thing has gone overboard, it's good to be clean...but not obsesive clean!! :)

Kellie - posted on 05/24/2011

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check this out Jenn, while they say they don't know the cause Megan could be onto something, at least it makes sense to me maybe not you though.

http://ehealthmd.com/library/crohnsdisea...

The bit that got my attention was:

"If abnormal bacteria do survive and multiply, the body recognizes them as invading organisms, or "antigens." To a certain extent, these antigens are ignored in the GI tract - the immune system has a certain level of tolerance for them.

But immunologic evidence shows that in the intestines of those with inflammatory bowel disease, some of this tolerance for bacteria is lost. The TH1 cells, which are responsible for activating the immune response against invading organisms, do their job. But the TH2 cells, which are responsible for deactivating the immunologic response after invading organisms are destroyed, fail to perform theirs.

The result is an inflammatory overreaction, resulting in pain, fever, and, sometimes, tissue damage."

Jenn - posted on 05/24/2011

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I agree that some people go extreme with their cleanliness, but just out of curiosity, is that really how Crohn's disease came to be? I have a friend who suffers from that and he has always said that they don't know what causes it.

Sneaky - posted on 05/24/2011

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Well, I guess it's just alcohol right? Maybe it helps the baby sleep!!!!!!

Amanda - posted on 05/24/2011

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Yeap, she did it in a early years center, the public health nurse took her aside and tried to explain to her that it wasnt good for her baby. I didnt get the impression the mother understood.

Sneaky - posted on 05/24/2011

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ARRRRGH! Do you know how bad that stuff TASTES?? and she put it on her NIPPLES!!!!!

I'm floored too.

Amanda - posted on 05/24/2011

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Its gone to far. I watched a mother disinfect her hands her toddlers hands, and then her newborns hands. I wondered to myself what could be on the newborns hands that it needed to be washed in hand sanitizer. Then the mother did something I couldn’t believe she washed her nipples with it right before she breastfeed her child. I was totally floored.

Super bugs and autoimmune issues scare the shit out of me, we only use antibacterial cleaners on our toilets. No body soap in my house is antibacterial.

I have always found it interesting that the people that I know who use all these cleaners excessively are also the same families who spend most of the year sick.

Stifler's - posted on 05/24/2011

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I think some people go too far with sanitising, sterilising, antibacterial, antimicrobial and bleaching everything. It's good to be clean but we don't need to be sterilising the bin, slathering our hands with alcohol gel (unless you work in a health care setting or with food), pine o cleen spraying every surface in case germs came in to contact with it.

Sarah - posted on 05/24/2011

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Obviously following basic hygiene rules is important, but I do feel that some people take it too far.

It does make laugh how in the toilets where I work, there's posters showing you how to wash your hands!! I mean come on! I would expect grown up people to understand that you need to wash your hands after using the bathroom!!

I guess there are people who take the whole hygiene thing too far, and some who need to take a hygiene a bit omre seriously! Most people seem to fall in the middle. Basically, don't be gross......but don't sanitise everything you come into contact with. ;)

Amber - posted on 05/23/2011

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Haha Katherine :)

When my son was a baby...I was a bit of a germaphobe. Now that he's 4, I still keep everything neat and tidy, but I don't sanitize as much.
I still make him wash his hands before eating or helping me cook. And I carry hand sanitizer in my purse because we like to go to my aunt's barn to ride the horses. It's just about being healthy and keeping things clean now, not antibacterial-izing everything.

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Public restrooms are icky. But other than that, germs don't bother me. I'm the one that will stick a pacifier back in her baby's mouth after it's hit the floor...in my own home...not in a supermarket!

Firebird - posted on 05/23/2011

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Dammit guys! Now I want to read Katherine's deleted post! lol I'm not a fan of sterilizing too much, but in some cases, I do think it's a good idea.

Kellie - posted on 05/23/2011

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*sigh* calm down, I was't having a go, not in the way you think I was anyway.

However you know it was an inflammatory comment or you wouldn't have had in brackets "not trying to start another debate" or words to that effect, nor would you have deleted it. It WOULD have started a debate within a debate simply because people are so extreme in their opinions of it, and it WOULD have turned it into a debate about that rather than the question/rant at hand IMO.

Honestly that's all I was trying to convey, my bad that I did it in the wrong way to begin with. Sorry!

Katherine - posted on 05/23/2011

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I wasn't trying to be inflammatory maybe it came out wrong.....I meant that, oh for God's sakes....

Kellie - posted on 05/23/2011

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wow way to be inflammatory Katherine.......

I agree Megan, it's also why we now have superbugs such as MRSA etc, it's borne from theatres being TOO sterile for the bacteria to survive so they mutated (smart nasties lol) and said a great big fuck you to us.

I don't much like the idea of My daughter sticking something in her mouth that's been in somebody or numerous somebody's mouth/s but that's more to my feelings of eeeewwww that has someone else's slobber all over it rather than a germaphobic omg now she's gunna get sick! to build an immune system we must first get sick so the body knows what it needs to fight, simple as that.

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