Do you believe in ghosts?

Kimberly - posted on 10/03/2010 ( 114 moms have responded )

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The witching month is upon us. I love Halloween.

Have you ever experienced anything supernatural?

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Sorry, I'm Wiccan and it's a term that most Pagans wouldn't even know. Essentially what it is, is a rip between the worlds so that spirits can easily pass back and forth.

Charlie - posted on 10/04/2010

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I disagree Jessica .
Some people believe that we all have the ability to see ghosts but that not all of us are aware of the fact. Some people are just more in tune with the psychic parts of their brains than others. If developed properly, some believe a person can harness these natural abilities and train themselves to see ghosts. Every creature on this planet has natural instincts. But for some reason humans are less in tune with them. Our environment teaches us to not trust our instincts. Our parents tell us that the ‘boogie man’ does not exist. And we usually don’t spend much time trying to understand our dreams or feelings like déjà vu. But these are all natural instincts that we are born with. Some people have learned to pay more attention to these abilities and these people, in theory, are more likely to be able to see ghosts.

Biologically, our bodies have a much wider spectrum of vision when we are younger. This could be the reason that people are more likely to see a ghost when they are young. It is believed by some that ghosts are all around us but that they are invisible to us because they exist in a spectrum of light that we cannot see. It's a fact that as we grow older our ability to see into other bands of light diminishes. For some people this gradual loss of perception is quicker than for others. This theory is backed up by the common belief that our pets can see ghosts when we can’t. Science has proven that animals like cats and dogs have much better sense than humans and can see into spectrums of light that we can’t. So perhaps it is our distinct differences biologically that helps some of us see ghosts.
Some scientifically based theories rely on certain natural elements to be just right in order for a spirit to be able to manifest itself and be seen. Things like weather and atmosphere need to be just right. Certain lighting and temperature may be required for us to be able to see ghosts. And other scientifically based ideas like electromagnetic fields, ionic fields, and other elements around us could possibly be needed for a spirit to have the ability to manifest itself into visible form. Perhaps the fact that some people can see ghosts and others can't has nothing to do with us directly but with the unseen forces around us.

But really it comes down to personal belief , we cannot see what we are not open to .

Charlie - posted on 10/07/2010

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Well this thread is back , sorry i dont read 2nd page threads LOL im a thread snob its gotta be fresh so i guess i have some reading to catch up on but i do agree with Amie , it's hard to ignore something when you have seen , heard and touched a spirit , or been attacked by one on several occasions at different times and places , i had an incubus attached to be for a good while , still happens occasionally although ive learned to deal with him .

It's not something i expect people to believe , i really dont care if they do , i know my experiances are real :D

Stifler's - posted on 10/04/2010

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@ Jessica Barnett, the question was do you believe in ghosts, not do they or do they not exist. We are entitled to believe in them.

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Try again damn site losing my responses AGAIN grrrr!

Jessica, you shouldn't enter a debate if your not at least prepared to hear the information the other side presents, be it anecdotal or not (and there is research for spirits and as well as against). Sometimes debates are NOT about hard scientific fact (things like this debate there is NOT always hard scientific fact either way) but more about learning and understanding people more, so there is a degree of open mindedness needed.

Yes there is evidence to prove that SOME psychics, clairvoyants and mediums are hoaxers, but there is NOT evidence that ALL of them are! Some people are more receptive to the other side, it is as simple as that. This links in with not everybody experiencing spirits, some people are just not aware of what they are experiencing, some are oblivious and others just explain it away without actually considering what it may have been. Oh and BTW many people have experienced spirits and many will continue to, that does not mean that everyone who encounters a spirit truely is encountering one, sometimes our imagenations do play tricks on us.

I apologise for accusing you of disrespecting my opinion if you hadn't read any of the previous posts, I mistook this statement..."And that stuff about violent deaths and unfinished business 'trapping' spirits in this realm is absolute tosh."...as you commenting on my post, as it was pretty much exactly what I had said.

Yes many of people have died in horrific manners but NOT all of them have issue with it, similarly to when they were alive spirits react to different events differently, so what one may find traumatic another won't. What one needs to gain closure from another won't. Likewise NOT all spirits will gain closure and transcend to heaven. For example a girl who has been raped and murdered may find closure in her murder being punished for his actions OR a man who cheated on his wife in life may get closure when his wife moves on and remarries.

My beliefs may be illogical to You but to ME they are VERY logical thank-you very much!

Yes *I* know that YOU do not believe in heaven or God but *I* do (as do many others) and these beliefs WILL impact MY beliefs regarding the afterlife, on this we will have to agree to disagree!

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C. - posted on 10/14/2010

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Yep and yep. (to both the title question and the actual post).

I just try not to mess with that kind of stuff..

Desiree - posted on 10/11/2010

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Sorry Emma I meant instinct. my spelling was so great.
Exactly Jackie I find there are not many people out there who are very open minded, people tend to be shut within themselves and don't look at the world as a whole. Who is to say that science actually exists its all stuff that someone told us that they studied. Why should we believe them over what has been taught to us for thousands of years just because some modern man says it is so. Half the stuff they publish makes no logical sense anyway. And yet we are lead to believe what they say is the truth because they have a few letter behind their names. One day someone will discredit them too and them. What man says and learns is not written in stone, Man can and does forget.

Desiree - posted on 10/10/2010

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Isn't it interesting all this talk of scientific proof and yet the one thing we are all sure of is instinct and yet there is not scientific proof of its actual existence. and here we sit an argue about whether ghosts, angles, or anything else where we can't feel, hear, see, touch or taste.

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Jessica, I believe that science will eventually be able to explain how and why we see/ feel spirits but it hasn't yet figured out the techniques needed, afterall, science is constantly evolving. Spirituality and science don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Amie - posted on 10/09/2010

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Jessica B. that sixth sense could still be credited to the paranormal to a degree though.

Take reincarnation for example. What happened in one life, could leave an imprint and you get gut instincts from that experience in another life. People who have died violently in past lives seem to have inherent fears relating to that. Not all cases but some. For myself, I'm terrified of heights. Always have been for no good reason. I've never fallen or hurt myself from any height. I have very vivid thoughts of falling and dying though. I haven't overcome that fear but I have learned to control it.

At some point I'd like to do regressive therapy and see what I can find out. There's actually an author I'd like to recommend to you. I'll need to dig out my books since I can't remember his name right now. He's a psychologist though who was a non believer. Until he was doing a hypnosis session with client and he ended up, accidentally, sending her back into a previous life. He's written a couple of books. Fascinating read, even if you don't believe.

and You're welcome. =)

Jessica - posted on 10/09/2010

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@ Kimberly,

"Entities such as God or ghosts/spirits cannot be completely contained within nature, and therefore their existence is outside of science's ability to really weigh in."

Maybe, but their effects on the physical world around us are within the realms of science. Like I have said before, for us to be able to see them they would have to have a physical affect on our environment. For example: distorting light in order for the photosensitive cells in our eyes to pick up on them. If that were to occur then we could scientifically measure those effects, gather facts and evidence and develop a hypothesis.

@ Jessica A,

“Just because something can be explained scientifically, does that mean it can't be spiritual? “

I have already touched on this so will copy it here.

“Just because someone holds a 'belief' does not mean that said belief can not be scientifically explained (I am treading old ground here). Explaining something with science, does not necessarily mean that that thing will change. For example: If ghosts do exist and we can scientifically explain them, it does not mean that the concept or being of ghosts will change. It may just mean that we discover that the soul is real. It may also mean that we discover that they are just pockets of energy being blown about by the after effects of solar wind. Again, *I don't know*. But you can't discount science and it's abilities and contributions to progress because it just *may* contradict your beliefs or change them.” ~ Me.

You have a fabulous name by the way. :D

@ Emma,

“I'm saying spiritual can't be explained by science, there is no reason why except that they are separate realms and that the spiritual world has to be believed to be seen. “

Please see my response to Kimberly.

@ Jackie,

“I personally equate paranormal experiences or "sixth sense" to Mothers intuition or that gut feeling. It can be studied but as far as I know, there is no real scientific explanation. It JUST IS!”

There are explanations for intuition and gut feelings.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/201...

Intuition/gut feelings are past experiences and information forming together at a very high speed, in a similar situation. The outcomes of past experiences, be they bad or good, are analysed in the similar situation to determine the kind of intuition/gut feeling response. The more experience you have in one situation, the likelier you are to make a sound/good decision based on your intuitive skills.

@ Amie,

Thanks.

Jackie - posted on 10/08/2010

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I personally equate paranormal experiences or "sixth sense" to Mothers intuition or that gut feeling. It can be studied but as far as I know, there is no real scientific explanation. It JUST IS!

http://www.professorshouse.com/family/ch...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_I...




"Try as modern medicine or science does to explain the phenomena of instinct there are no words or definitions that can nail it down. It is just something, much like the silence that comes with snow, that exists above and beyond all else. Millions of mothers from all levels of education and walks of life can be in one place and somehow feel the pain or suffering of their child. It is evident when you lay eyes on your child many hours before the fever comes and know that they are sick. Take them to the doctor and you will be sent home until the symptoms surface. But you know already. As mothers gain experience raising children they become even more adept at figuring out what ails their children or what makes them happy than any other person; including the child. "

Stifler's - posted on 10/08/2010

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I don't understand what you're saying. I'm not arguing I just can't make sense of our conversation. I'm saying spiritual can't be explained by science, there is no reason why except that they are separate realms and that the spiritual world has to be believed to be seen.

Jessica - posted on 10/08/2010

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"Why does it being spiritual mean in *can't* be scientific."

I'm just quoting this because it touches on another idea that I always wonder- Just because something can be explained scientifically, does that mean it can't be spiritual? For example, many supernatural phenomena can be "explained" scientifically- whether its hallucinations, sleep paralysis etc. But does that necessarily take away the validity of the experience? If someone sees a ghost, or hears something, or whatever and you say it was just a hallucination- does that really mean there was no ghost? Maybe that is the state of mind you need to be in, or the level your brain must function on to be able to witness something like that. That's more of a philosophical question, so there's probably no real answer. But it is something to think about. People all the time come to the conclusion that "supernatural" things like spirits, God, prophets, must not be real because they can be "explained" scientifically, but while that explanation may make it easier for us to understand, it doesn't always prove that there wasn't something more behind it... if that makes any sense!

Kimberly - posted on 10/08/2010

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Entities such as God or ghosts/spirits cannot be completely contained within nature, and therefore their existence is outside of science's ability to really weigh in.

Jessica - posted on 10/08/2010

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@ Emma
"I don't believe everything has to be explained scientifically, its a belief."

You haven't answered my question. You have stated a belief that you hold whilst ignoring the actual content of what I had asked. I asked, Why does it being spiritual mean in *can't* be scientific. If we can witness these things, spirits/ghosts/demons and so on, then surely there is a scientific principle that allows us to see them, they would have to distort light in order for the photosensitive cells in our eyes to pick up on them. If that is the case, then surely there is some scientific principle behind the being/belief in question as they would be making a physical impact on the world around us, one that is, for the most part, scientifically explained.

As I have said before, I put a lot of trust in science, and in order for me to be able to do that, I must be able to change my views when new evidence arises. I have stated that it is possible that they do exist and that we just haven't reached a point to be able to scientifically measure them. *I don't know*. I am putting emphasis on this point because there is no scientific data in favour of the existence of such beings. There is evidence that could explain a lot of experiences, that could explain a lot of phenomena, but until I personally experience it myself, I can only base my views and opinions on the facts and evidence before me.

I understand that you hold this belief, however, you can not expect me to become a believer simply based on your word (Please don't take this the wrong way, I just can't think of another way to say what I am trying to explain).

Just because someone holds a 'belief' does not mean that said belief can not be scientifically explained (I am treading old ground here). Explaining something with science, does not necessarily mean that that thing will change. For example: If ghosts do exist and we can scientifically explain them, it does not mean that the concept or being of ghosts will change. It may just mean that we discover that the soul is real. It may also mean that we discover that they are just pockets of energy being blown about by the after effects of solar wind. Again, *I don't know*. But you can't discount science and it's abilities and contributions to progress because it just *may* contradict your beliefs or change them.

I hope I have explained myself properly and I hope that if you have questions that you feel you can ask, and I can answer to the best of my knowledge, and vice versa. It just seems like we are arguing and I don't want to argue. I want to debate.

Stifler's - posted on 10/08/2010

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I was raised a Christian (pentecostal). Christians believe that "ghosts" aren't the spirits of dead people at all but what they call "familiar spirits" AKA demons masquerading as the spirits of the dead to help con people into thinking that the spirits of the dead stay on earth and that there's no such thing as hell and heaven. I don't believe everything has to be explained scientifically, its a belief. Believing is having faith that something you can't see/can't be explained is real.

Jessica - posted on 10/08/2010

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@ Amie, Thanks for your input. If I have any questions about this subject (as I said, I am still intrigued by it and I would be interested to learn more about different beliefs surrounding the issue) would it be alright for me to message you when they arise? It is an ongoing research subject for me and I don't really know anyone with beliefs other than ghosts exist. Your beliefs seem to be more ??(I can't find the word lol) and I believe that more insight from a 'believers' point of view could be very helpful.

Hannah - posted on 10/07/2010

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Though I've never seen one I absolutly believe in spirits, just like there are demonic entities/spirits.....Its the good and evil of the world....

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Ooo I'd not thought of that good thinking batwoman!

....Mr Gremlin please give my clicker back, then Ethan can play with it cos we had to go buy a new one, the damn sky plus doesn't work properly without clicker *pouts*

Jocelyn - posted on 10/07/2010

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It could be a gremlin Toni: they like to fuck with all things technological :P

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I swear it's the borrowers in my house, my tv remote went missing a month ago, I have turned my house upside down and it is nowhere to be seen, it's got to be the borrowers I've seen them on tv ;-)

Amie - posted on 10/07/2010

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Cathy,
Pixies are farking annoying!! I'll set something down, know I put it there, turn around and it's gone! Drives me mental.

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What is it that makes you believe? Is it just that personal experience? Or are there other factors?

Yes and No. I didn't start out believing in spirits, per say. Not the way I do now. I was raised in the Lutheran Church. For a long time I tried denying what I was seeing and hearing. When my first physical encounter happened, I could no longer deny it. It still happens. I do not know why they gravitate towards me. Not all are 'nice' spirits either. They are becoming more drawn to our oldest, but that's normal right now. She's a pre-teen going through puberty. She's an easy target. My youngest brother has had violent experiences most of his childhood, as a teenager he's gotten a better handle on it and knows how to protect himself. My father can see spirits all the time. My mother can hear them. My grandmother was psychic I suppose is the best word. It didn't work all the time but she knew things before they happened. We've all found our own paths that work for us. We all don't believe exactly the same way but that's because their our own personal beliefs. I don't expect to change anyone's minds or to provide evidence. Personal belief is for the person, not for the world.



Were there exceptional circumstances surrounding your life during said experience? Or were you stressed possibly?

During a time when I wanted them most, a passing of a loved one, etc. They were not there to be seen. So no, I can't say any exceptional or emotional periods of my life are a factor. During one of the worst years of my life, I did not see or hear anything. Some of that may be due to the fact that I 'tuned them out' or it could be they left me alone knowing it was a hard time. I don't know, I just know at that time they weren't around.



What opened your mind to the world of ghosts and spirits?

I was raised as a Christian. I've always had some sort of sense that they were there. When I actually saw my first spirit full on though (not glimpses like before), I was 19, I freaked out and called my mom. It was the middle of the day and I was outside smoking while my oldest was having her nap. I was sitting on the front step and out of nowhere a man appeared. He walked right up to me, smiled and then disappeared. Belief is one thing, seeing is another. lol

Kimberly - posted on 10/07/2010

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I'm clapping my hands for the fairies too dammit!!!

I know someone that's getting a big ass lump of coal.

Jessica - posted on 10/07/2010

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Ok, I think you are just trying to get a rise out of me now considering your last post directed at me as well. I have been accused of being close minded to the spiritual but you are blatantly being close minded to the scientific. If ghosts do exist then there must be some sort of scientific principle to them, just as there is to everything else. Now maybe we just haven't reached the point of being able to apply science to such things, I don't know, but you can't expect someone to go along with your line of reasoning without any explanation or evidence or whatever you want to call it. If I were to go along with your line of reasoning then I could claim absolutely anything. I could claim that fairies exist, that santa is real. I could even claim that this world is a shared dream and we are all living in a matrix like system (and there is more evidence for the matrix system then there is for spirits).

I am going to repeat what I have said and quoted before.

"Every mystery, ever solved, has turned out to be not magic" - Tim Minchin

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan, Marcello Truzzi, Phillipe-Simon Laplace.

I have stated my stance, my reasoning behind it and can provide evidence for it. You are purposely trying to put my views on a lower par than yours but you are using logical fallacies and not bringing any explanation or evidence.

So please, why does it being spiritual mean it can't be scientific? Especially considering that, as we speak, the scientific data on the effects of prayer and meditation on the brain are increasing rapidly?

Stifler's - posted on 10/07/2010

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Of course science can't explain it. It's spiritual. Not scientific.

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"Is it simply because you've had no encounters?"



Yes and no, I haven't had any encounters but I was a firm believer till a couple of years ago. I started researching it a bit more and found that science just hadn't been able to find or discover any evidence for it. I sincerely believe that if ghosts do exist, then there is some scientific principle behind them. I truly wish I could believe, the idea of it is extremely intriguing, and maybe we just haven't discovered the right equipment or whatever. In the meantime however, I can only base my views on what I know, see, feel, hear and so on. The moment a single scrap of evidence, that stands up to the scientific process repeatedly, is found then I can assure you, I will be the first to flip sides.



"Were you raised to believe this way?"



Again, yes and no. My mom is a catholic, she doesn't believe in ghosts, yet the idea of Ouija boards scare her as they are supposedly 'dark'. My father is an atheist, like me, and taught me and my siblings to think critically, logically and to question EVERYTHING. Both of my parents instilled a love of learning in me and then allowed me my own free time and space to research, discover and think for myself. I was also raised to research a subject as thoroughly as possible before entering such a debate or voicing my opinions. The idea is to be as informed as possible and to be able to defend your views with facts and evidence.



"Or is your hold just completely divested in science?"



I would say that I put a lot of trust in science. The thing about science is that it is based in fact and evidence and repeatedly provable tests and theories, but at the same time it is not afraid to admit when it is wrong. In keeping true to the scientific method I can assure myself that the facts I use are correct to the best of our current knowledge. I understand the allure of mysticism, however, I find that science and the possibilities that the universe offers in the form of discovery and knowledge is a mystery in and of itself. One that we strive for, thirst for and though is out of our reach, for the time being, is completely attainable when following the scientific method.



"You can not debate a belief though with science. It's like trying to disprove God. It doesn't work."



With this I find myself reverting to Carl Sagan, Marcello Truzzi and Pierre-Simon Laplace. 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.' If you have a belief that you can't prove with evidence then that is fine, but I also feel that if you can't provide any evidence for it when you are in a debate about such a subject then you can't expect to come out the victor when evidence is provided from the other side. When it comes to our beliefs, of course, we will have to agree to disagree. I enjoy debates and I entered this one because I was hoping that some people would be open minded enough to first of all, read my arguments and maybe even question their experiences to see if there COULD be other explanations. But also to understand why people believe as they do when there is no evidence for it. I understand that personal experience is an incredibly important factor, one that makes it almost impossible to change that person's mind, but (as I have stated before) in a debate, it cannot be used as evidence for your case. What is it that makes you believe? Is it just that personal experience? Or are there other factors? Were there exceptional circumstances surrounding your life during said experience? Or were you stressed possibly? What opened your mind to the world of ghosts and spirits?



I am not here to force people to abandon their beliefs and I understand how my first post came across (as aggressive, I feel it is due the emotive language that I continuously incorporate and my slightly excessive use of capitols to try and emphasise) however, I have said before that this is a debate and I am here to not only learn but to possibly try and spread knowledge, as it were, and to spread the love of learning. I know, it sounds soppy and all but I truly feel that if I can spread a little knowledge to those around me then I am doing one of the few good things in my power to do.



EDIT: And my son will be a bitch to argue against for it as his dad is exactly the same and a hell of a lot smarter lmao.

Amie - posted on 10/06/2010

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I'm not offended Jessica. I know what I know and I see what I see. It doesn't fuss me that people don't believe. I probably wouldn't either if I didn't see and interact with them (spirits) myself. I know plenty of people who do.



Those who do get upset, tend to be ones with shaky beliefs. Mine are not. It is something I don't talk about often though. A lot of people are apt to call a person looney, as opposed to being as polite as you have been in expressing your opinion.



You can not debate a belief though with science. It's like trying to disprove God. It doesn't work. Those who believe will continue to believe, no matter what others say. The entire purpose I posted directly to you is because you are the only non believer who seems to be answering back each time. Is it simply because you've had no encounters? Were you raised to believe this way? (I do firmly believe all children, at one time or another, do or have seen spirits) Or is your hold just completely divested in science?

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@ Amie,

"Jessica B, As a person who has had a spirit touch her, during the middle of the day, on multiple occasions. How does your mind wrap around that? Or into Jocelyn's experiences of watching objects being moved?"

I have already explained my stance with experiences like this. With no scientific evidence in favour of the existence of ghosts (and quite a bit against it) then I am forced to come to the conclusion that they don't exist. Unless you have explored ALL options of how and why this happened and investigated ALL options of what it could be then you can not justifiably say it was unexplainable and can not assume it was a ghost/spirit. If you have exhausted all other options (which, to be honest, is almost impossible given that we still have a limited knowledge of the universe around us) then kudos to you. But like I have said before, just saying that it happened and assuring everyone else that it was definitely a ghost/spirit is not evidence and can not be used in a debating forum as it is not a valid argument. Please don't get offended by what I have said, I am only explaining my stance like you have asked.

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I own an ouija board. I originally got it because it is very pretty and I was in love with it for a very long time. I mean I guess when you get something like that you get rather tempted to use it? I have used it once and nothing ever happened. I'm not too sure about some of the superstitions but I am a firm believer that there is some form of ghosts. For whatever reasons I guess they are trapped here, but I don't think that we can ever truely explain exactly what is going on. I used to think that all of those superstitions were a load of poopies but I'm not too sure what changed my mind. I think it is normal to think that there is something mysterious about but I don't think that we should try to determine wether it is bad or good. Well on another note, my ouija board is still sitting on the coffee table, used as a coffee tray. Whoops :P

Amie - posted on 10/06/2010

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Jocelyn your post makes perfect sense to me but it also ties into the beliefs I hold.



Jessica B, As a person who has had a spirit touch her, during the middle of the day, on multiple occasions. How does your mind wrap around that? Or into Jocelyn's experiences of watching objects being moved?



On a different note, it really is interesting reading a non believers posts. My husband was much the same way, though he actually came out and said people like me were a bit nuts. Until he met his first ghost.

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Here is a good example... This is my story.

When I was a kid a lived in a regular house, in a regular neighborhood. I lived there from the age of about 5 to 11. Admittedly, I was afraid of the dark (probably because I watched scary movies when I shouldn't have been). Anyways. my bedroom was right across the hall from the bathroom and I insisted that the bathroom light be left on. I remember seeing a tall dark figure standing in front of my bed and several occasion and being sooo freaking scared that I started to insist that I slept with my parents. When I got older and moved out of the house I convinced myself that it was a figment of my imagination and left it at that. WELL>>>

It just so happens that when when we moved out of the house my Aunt, Uncle and 2 cousins moved into the house. Jason, my cousin, which is my age (we are now 28), had the same room I did. We were talking a few years back and turns out he started to see the VERY SAME thing I saw in that room. The fact that I chalked this experience up to my imagination as a grew older adds to the theory that children are more susceptible to seeing things like this because they have a much more open mind to these things. They are not yet 'trained' to disregard these types of experiences. We as adults aren't as open minded as children.

Even more interesting is I still have dreams about that house. Not necessarily 'bad' dreams either. I dunno...

I don't know if they are real or not. Nobody does. But if you try to tell somebody that HAS had what they believe to be an 'experience' that they re NOT real, you better be willing to put up a big fight.

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Lol @ Jessica, I'm not too sure I completely understand my post either! It was a bitch to explain and I think I may come off sounding a bit crazy :P If you have another question feel free to ask and maybe I can word it differently.

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Jessica, that's fine I'm guilty of it too sometimes, I forget that sometimes people can't see the grin on my face when I'm writing (sometimes I'm too 'smart' for my own good) lol.

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Hi Toni, I apologise for how my initial post came across, I have people tell me all the time that I sound angry when I type. I assure you it is not intentional. I am trying to tone down how I come across by using less emotive language, it just doesn't work at times lol. I am glad that you and Jocelyn have enjoyed reading my posts as I do enjoy a good and hearty debate.

That being said, Jocelyn, I am not entirely sure whether I understand you last post correctly so I am going to re read it until I think I do. lol.

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Jessica I have to say I have really enjoyed reading your responses, they are a world away from your intial response which came over rather harsh and judgemental. I truely have no issues with you not believing in spirits, I hope you didn't feel I was jumping down your throat, as I stated I have no intention of trying to alter your opinions on this but I did want to address points made by you, to clarify why I believe what I do.

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And also, Amanda, I say how dare you call me disrespectful. I took several hours over the course of 2 nights to respectfully create my response to those who had taken the time to respond to me. And yes I may have had to to cut it short but at least I addressed as many points as I could without blanketing their statements and whilst explaining my stance. You however, decide to just wrap ALL my statements into one and accuse me of being disrespectful. I made reference to the parts that I was addressing and, again, you brought no such reference for me to be able to defend myself. I say you are being disrespectful in expecting me, on a debate forum no less, to not present my case because you (and yes, I feel it was you) got offended by me standing my ground. Please read my closing statement as you obviously hadn't before deciding to get up in arms about my views.

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@ Amanda,
"All I can say is that you have A LOT of time on your hands. & really, what you said is so disrespectful. I will agree that you have a super aggressive tone and I think on message boards it's a little harder to "read" what people are saying, or read to much into it. HOWEVER, You can disagree that you don't think that ghosts or spirits exist, and I can agree that they do. But you shouldn't take shots at peoples personal experiences, especially if it gave them a sense of relief. For that, I say, How dare you."

No, I don't have a lot of time on my hands, which is why it took me 2 days to write those last two posts. Nothing I said can be taken disresprectfully unless YOU so choose. I tried to state my case as respectfully as possible. I would like you to quote me taking "shots" at people as I don't feel I have. In EVERY debate there will be a little toe treading and unfortunately that is unavoidable to state your case. But at no point have I have intentionally taken deliberate "shots" at people's personal experiences. I have brought evidence that may explain some experiences because like I have said before, without investigating something and eliminating all other possibilities, you cannot justifiably say that it is unexplainable.

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Yes, my family comes from a long line of sensitives. and some of us have stronger senses in one and another in another. I personally am able to feel, and hear spirits. But they come to us for different reasons. Sometimes as a warning, and in others to check on the living or even waiting for someone to crossover.

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@ Jessica -

All I can say is that you have A LOT of time on your hands. & really, what you said is so disrespectful. I will agree that you have a super aggressive tone and I think on message boards it's a little harder to "read" what people are saying, or read to much into it. HOWEVER, You can disagree that you don't think that ghosts or spirits exist, and I can agree that they do. But you shouldn't take shots at peoples personal experiences, especially if it gave them a sense of relief. For that, I say, How dare you.

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@ Jessica
Let me just say that I am actually quite enjoying your posts.
Now on to the issue of reincarnation: Quoting you:
“In response to the "why aren't there billions of spirits" bit, there is a little something called reincarnation.”

Well this doesn't make much sense to me, especially as a counter to my argument. Since what determines whether a spirit is reincarnated or stays as a spirit? And again, whatever cause, the sheer amount of them would be overwhelming and if spirits are being left as spirits and the population is constantly increasing, where are the new spirits coming from (this, of course, only applies if you believe in an enclosed cycle of reincarnation)?"

Ok, this will be tricky to answer lol.
YOU choose when you will be reincarnated. I believe that there are many different levels of energy/space/what have you (like the dragonfire Paige talked about) and not ALL spirits are on our plane of existence. Spirits have to be vibrating at a certain frequency in order for humans to see them. There probably are billions of spirits, but only a handful are here on our plane, and not every spirit from that handful is going to be at the right vibration.
Back to the reincarnation: as I said, you choose to be reincarnated when and how you like, but you will continue reincarnating until you have experienced and learned everything there is. Even when you are done evolving/learning/experiencing you can STILL be reincarnated as a prop (for lack of a better word, kinda like a spiritual aid/teacher) to assist other spirits to achieve the highest level of energy.
Jessica you ask a good question about the population growing and where the spirits are coming from. I don't believe in a closed cycle of reincarnation (and honestly I have never really thought about it until now!) and I don't claim to know all the answers, but whose to say that "new" spirits aren't being created when the older spirits retire (energy can be neither created or destroy etc) and whose to say that all of our spirits have to continually come from (and therefore return) to one place (eg earth)?

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And, @ Jessica, I hope I wasn't one of the people you thought were "jumping down your throat"... I was questioning you, but the truth is its not a topic I'm very serious about! I honestly don't care if you (or anyone) don't believe in ghosts- its understandable, and it doesn't affect me one way or another. Like I said before, its not worth "debating" because I can't provide you with the solid evidence you want- I know this, and I'm ok with it. Like another poster said, I was also thinking this would be more of a light-hearted, sharing stories kind of thread. They're fun to read, even if you take them with a grain of salt!



Speaking of which... anyone else have any stories?? Lol.

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"...and would absolutely LOVE for it all to be true (and for Jensen Ackles to be a real 'hunter' and come to my rescue lmao), .."

Hahaha, I love it!! Well I have to say that I agree with you on that one ;)

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Chillax a little Jess, give those poor little digits a rest from all that frantic typing. :) You are a woman possessed! Harness that thirst for knowledge and use it where you can do some good.

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Lol, it's more passion for science and knowledge. I have and growing and unending hunger for learning and feel that the world (and universe) holds so many mysteries just WAITING to be discovered and investigated. I also have an almost unhealthy dislike of misinformation (and I understand that 99.9% of the time it is unintentional). Lol, I must admit, I am fascinated with the idea of the supernatural and would absolutely LOVE for it all to be true (and for Jensen Ackles to be a real 'hunter' and come to my rescue lmao), but I just can't accept it without credible, verifiable evidence.

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