Do you believe in Original Sin?

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 01/12/2011 ( 8 moms have responded )

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Can you explain?

Here is a quote from Pelagius: "If sin is innate, it is not voluntary; if it voluntary it is not innate." Pelagius was condemned as a heretic.
What do you think?



(Info on Pelagius for those who dont know)

Pelagius (ca. AD 354 – ca. AD 420/440) was an ascetic who denied the need for divine aid in performing good works. For him, the only "grace" necessary was the declaration of the law; humans were not wounded by Adam's sin and were perfectly able to fulfill the law apart from any divine aid. He also, therefore, denied the more specific doctrine of original sin as developed by Augustine of Hippo. Pelagius was declared a heretic by the Council of Carthage. His interpretation of a doctrine of free will became known as Pelagianism. He was well educated, fluent in both Greek and Latin, and learned in theology. He spent time as an ascetic, focusing on practical asceticism, which his teachings clearly reflect. He was certainly well known in Rome, both for the harsh asceticism of his public life as well as the power and persuasiveness of his speech. His reputation in Rome earned him praise early in his career even from such pillars of the Church as Augustine, who referred to him as a "saintly man." However, he was later accused of lying about his own teachings in order to avoid public condemnation. Most of his later life was spent defending his doctrine against theologians teaching the Catholic Faith. They held that Catholicism came from the apostles and that Pelagius was spreading novelties in the Faith unknown to the apostolic tradition.

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Johnny - posted on 01/13/2011

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Leviticus Chapter 12 (dealing with the purification of women after childbirth) Verse 8:

And if she cannot afford a lamb, then she shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, on for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her, and she shall be clean.


For me this was the passage that I read in the bible that truly lead me to sit back, stop reading, and ultimately stop believing nearly 20 years ago now. Somehow the sick nature of the concept that the beautiful birthing of a child could ever be seen as unclean and impure in the eyes of a God, and that God would want anyone to burn animals to make it right just seemed so archaic and so wrong. While the coming of Jesus meant that Levitical law was no longer followed by Christians (unless seeking to oppose homosexuality that is) the continuation of the concept of original sin is an implicit acceptance of this philosophy on purity. I find it repugnant and do not believe in it for a second.

Katherine - posted on 01/13/2011

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It's very hard for me to fathom that an innocent baby is born into sin and must therefore be baptized to be "cleansed" of sin.
I was born and raised Catholic but converted to Lutheran. Even though I understand the WHY of it, I still can't seem to swallow it.

Amy - posted on 01/13/2011

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I think we are born with a natural part of us that's striving to survive - at any cost. The original sin of adam, i don't think condemns us all. I think our choices we make are what can make us or break us. Luckily, even though we are imperfect, after Jesus came and died for us, it's not really relevant to me. All sin and fall short of the glory of God, true. We aren't expected to be perfect, but to try and be good and live by the example left to us to speak kindly, respect each other, think of others before self, and help where you can.

JuLeah - posted on 01/13/2011

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They, meaning the government/Catholic Church, wanted complete control. They only path to G-d would be through them.
Sex was considered 'divine' back then and a conduit to God. For men, it was seen as one of the only paths to God - Nirvana, enlightenment ..... the Catholic Church could not allow this if they wanted to obtain and maintain complete control, so they made sex a sin (unless they approved of it - marriage) and wrote that each baby would go to hell unless 'freed' from original sin (in the church of course) with the idea that, if fearful parents bought the baby in, odds are the church would own the child, later the adult, and then that adults child .... then all of society.
In this vain, women were rewritten as evil and the root of evil because we have sex and men want it, so we tempt, and we are bad. We must be controlled even more then the men, we must be made to feel shame for who we are, made to be lower on the ladder then men, more oppressed ... in reality, we give life, which was valued at the time and women were viewed in that light. How could the church compete with that? They only thing they could do was make women sinful and bad and less then men.

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YES Desiree that is awesome! If were calling it original sin shouldn't it be traced back to the absolute first sin not just what "man" first did wrong. I personally feel that is right on the money and you see it in today's "sins" as well, most disobedience or infedelities begin with a lie and then progress to acting on other sins. Good call!

Desiree - posted on 01/13/2011

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What exactly is the orginal sin? According to scripture it is the moment that Adam and Eve disobeyed God and ate the forbidden fruit. As a Catholic I should be following church teachings, except to me the first sin was a Lie told by Satan to get Adam and Eve to do as he wanted. Each person must believe as they see fit.

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 01/12/2011

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For a while growing up I did, but no longer do…

To many things never added up in the bible, and did not make sense.

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