Do you support the death penalty?

Kimberly - posted on 10/06/2010 ( 44 moms have responded )

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If so, and you are against abortions, can you still call yourself Pro-Life?



BTW, I am Pro-Choice and support the death penalty.



Edited to add: I'm not looking to debate abortion or the death penalty but just curious to see if the title Pro-Life applies to ALL LIFE at ALL STAGES or just a fetus.

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Becky - posted on 10/06/2010

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I don't support one human taking the life of another in any way, for any reason. Abortion, death penalty, war, euthanasia... they're all wrong in my book. I may not be realistic, but at least I'm consistent! :)
I do recognize that in our current world, maybe these are necessary evils. And like I said in the pro-life post, I'm not out campaigning against any of them. But as far as my personal beliefs go, I do not feel that any of them are right.
Although I do say that if anyone ever hurt MY kids, I'd kill them...

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I lean towards pro-life, but I do see there are certain times when it is cruel to continue pregnancies such as when the mum will die (baby will probably die too), when the baby will die at birth (although there is ALWAYS a chance the doctors are wrong, they regularly make mistakes they are only human) and in circumstances of rape and paedophilia, although this is where I come unstuck because it is not the babies fault, BUT I understand that some women could not mentally carry the baby of their rapist so I would not blame them for aborting, I completely disagree with and believe abotions should be illegal for women who get pregnant and decide they don't want to continue the pregnancy excluding the above reasons.

I completely disagree with the the death penalty, I believe that life is precious. People who commit crimes should be punished by spending 23 hours a day in a cell alone with only books and writing pads to entertain them, the food should be basic but nutritious. If you break the law, you should expect to be punished, but an eye for an eye has never been logical to me, as Emma pointed out if we all took an eye for an eye we would all be blind.

Petra - posted on 10/10/2010

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Where the death penalty still exists, it is supposed to be reserved for the worse offenders: murderers, rapists (someone on here added thieves to the mix, can't wrap my head around that logic). The whole premise of legal punishment is paying one's debt to society after being found guilty of committing a crime - if you are a proponent of "an eye for an eye", then of course you'd support the death penalty. If not, I fail to see how you could view the death penalty as anything other than hypocrisy under the guise of "justice". If you kill someone yourself in the name of justice, you're a murderer. If the state kills someone in the name of punishment, justice has been served. The very logic behind this escapes me. Throwing paedophiles into the gen pop in the hopes that other inmates will perform a similar "justice" is even more hypocritical. Like it or not, they are still human beings and deserving of basic human rights, like the right to not be raped or killed.

I am pro-choice, on principal but not really in practice. A lot of pro-choice arguments hinge on limiting abortion to the first trimester as the baby isn't yet viable, or isn't really a potential person yet, or isn't much more than a cluster of cells that hasn't begun advanced specialization and diversification, etc. I have a major problem with this viewpoint, but regardless of how I feel about fetuses, viability, and eliminating a potential person at an arbitrary stage of gestation, ultimately, I feel that a woman ought to be able to determine whether carrying that child to term is in her best interests.

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Solitary confinement is NOT special treatment. It in itself is a form of torture. AND, I just don't believe anyone deserves to die at the hand of another human being. Two wrongs DO NOT make it right!

Johnny - posted on 10/06/2010

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No, I am morally and practically opposed to the death penalty. That doesn't mean that there has not been plenty of times when I wish that I didn't oppose it because there are some people who truly deserve it. I suppose that makes me a bit of a hypocrite. But I would never support the re-introduction of the death penalty here in Canada at all. In fact, I would work to stop it.

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Bonnie - posted on 10/13/2010

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I am pro-choice for certain circumstances of abortion (ie. if the woman was raped and fell pregnant, not because the woman has so many children she doesn't know what to do) and I am for the dealth penalty as long as it is certain the prisioner did the crime (many have been given the dealth penalty and then it was found that the person never committed the crime) , so for people like murderers, serial rapists, pedaphiles, etc. I would truly like to take all their heads and bang them together!

Desiree - posted on 10/11/2010

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I live in South Africa, no we do not have the death penalty but yes I do support it, especially with certain crimes. If criminals abuse the rights of the innocent who are they to be able to have those right in place. It's easy to say too many innocents have had thier lives taken from them by the state, yes I agree. But why should I as a tax payer be paying for the man who walked into someone house killed and raped the family to be left in the relave safe confines of prisson while my hard earned tax goes to feeding the good for nothing for the rest of his life. I can still cope with someone killing in self defence, but not going onto a farm and wiping out the 80+ year old farmer and then raping and murdering his wife. What about the serial killers, these are people with no consience at all, who take a perverse joy in harming and torturing other people or children, the same goes with peadofiles. I am tired that these people behave in prison and then when they get out they go right back and do it. Prisons can't rehabilitate everyone. And yes I understand the essence of pro-life and agree with it, but then again maybe it should be called Pro-Choice, because at the end of the day it your choices that define who you are.

Sal - posted on 10/11/2010

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I was once told that being a parent is to do the best for your child, and at times this might mean not continuing the prenacy (we see far too many abused, negleted and murdered children) i and on this level i am pro choice but doubt i would ever have an abortion even if i knew the baby was down syndrom, if my life was in danger i probally would as to leave my living children without a mum when i had a choice is something i can't imagine. rape is different as the morning after pill is a very simple and effective in such cases, but am appalled by women who use it (abortion) like birth control, but to take the right off them is not fair to women who genuinly need the choice. I also can't see how we can use ivf and the like to create life where there was none and not use medicine to terminate pregnacies as well or the world will be out of balance, as we are creating and prolonging life beyond what was once normal (i also to a degree belive in euthenasia), and yes i do belive there are cases where the death penality is appropriate. but there must be proof without doubt, as one innocent executed is too many

Sara La - posted on 10/10/2010

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Tbh im pretty confused :L but i think abortion is wrong but can be right in curtain circumstances like rape and that because poeple in the uk use abortion as a contraception wich is out of order! and to kill sum1 for what theyve done wrong well thats just letting them off easy really aint it why not make them suffer and live n lose there life at the same time (prison). and plus killing sum1 for what they have done is also punishing there family !! not familys fault for 1 person! prison is definatleythe way to go and abortion only in circumstances. :L

?? - posted on 10/10/2010

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I think the second any person takes away the right to not be raped from another human being they are choosing to relinquish their right to the same.



If a person can't control themselves, no one else will ever be able to control them. Behind bars, in isolation, in general population, or in "recovery" [which I call bullshit for sex offenses].



If a monster rapes a woman, he deserves nothing.

If any monster steals rapes, molests, fondles, or kidnaps a child with the purpose to do those things - they deserve to be dead, period.



I can't bring myself to call those people men, they aren't men, they're monsters.

?? - posted on 10/09/2010

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There isn't a single dirt bag piece of shit that molests any innocent defenseless child that deserves anything less than death, IMO. I don't care if that happens with a bullet, a needle or at the hands of Bubba in the shower.

Serena - posted on 10/09/2010

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@Dana:
Yes I am completely fine with pedophiles being beaten, raped and even murdered by other inmates. Please give me a honest reason why they deserve to be treated special. They did the crime, now they should have to face the consequences. I'm sure you would feel differently if it was your child.

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I'm in between pro-life and pro-choice - I'm pro-choice but only in certain circumstances for abortion. I don't agree with the death penalty because there can be miscarriages of justice and that is the reason it was abloished here in the UK.

La - posted on 10/09/2010

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I'm fine with pedophiles getting killed by other inmates. Even other criminals can recognize that harming little kids is sick.

Krista - posted on 10/09/2010

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I don't like the idea of the state having the power to determine whether we live or die. There is too much potential for mistakes and abuse.

That being said, if Karla Holmolka had been shanked with a table leg while in prison, I wouldn't have shed one tear. She's the sole person who has made my stance on the death penalty temporarily wobble.

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I'm pro-life and anti death penalty. I'm not morally opposed to the eye for an eye principal, but I'm legally against the death penalty being imposed. Too many innocent people get executed and there's too much unfairness in the system. There is no way to ever make capital punishment fair because the world isn't a fair place. It's better to have respect for all human life in my opinion.

Stifler's - posted on 10/09/2010

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I'm against the death penalty. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. The persons whom killed the prisoner on death row are not better than the prisoner, they're murderers too.

La - posted on 10/08/2010

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I'm 100% OK with "Bubba the pedophile" getting raped and beat by the general prison population. Bubba made the choice to ruin the innocence and mentally scar a child so he should have someone ruin and scar him in a manner that is 10 times worse. Maybe if he felt how horrible it is to be helpless then he wouldn't hurt anymore children.

Call me a savage, call me incompassionate, call me an asshole but I'm all about eye for an eye. If you are a criminal and know that the punishment for getting caught doing XYZ is having XYZ done to you then wouldn't that be more of a deterrent and serve to rehabilitate your desire to be a criminal more than spending time behind bars? Violent and sexual offenders don't deserve to be protected IMO and I wouldn't have a problem pulling the trigger if I was on the firing squad for them.

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Are you actually condoning murder, Serena? If a pedophile was put in general population some big dude name Bubba raping him would be the least of his worries. They'd kill him the first chance they got. You're ok with that?

Serena - posted on 10/08/2010

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I am pro-choice and for the death penalty.
I will be the first to agree that the justice system has failed before and innocent lives were lost, but in theory thats why there are appeals. If new evidence is found to prove innocence, it is allowed to be brought to light.
On a side note though I feel that pedophiles should be put into the regular population in prison, why do so many of them get "isolation"? Thats letting them off easy, let some big sweaty tattooed man do to him what he did to some innocent child. There is a special place in hell for them...

Jessica - posted on 10/07/2010

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I am against the death penalty. I am pro-choice as well but want to make it clear that does not mean I am not pro-life.

Charlie - posted on 10/06/2010

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Pro choice anti death penalty .

The justice system fucks up way to much to have that much power anyway we dont have the death penalty here in Australia .

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I wish we could take peadophiles, rapists, sexually and physically abusive people and 100% without a doubt murderers out behind a barn and shoot them.



Those people don't deserve jack shit from us or our society.



I know that's not ever gonna happen, but dreams are free.

Cassie - posted on 10/06/2010

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I am pro-life and despise the death penalty. I don't think any human should have the control over another to end a life, no matter what crime has been committed.

Kimberly - posted on 10/06/2010

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Dang Becky, you are too good to be true! You are really a breath of fresh air. I applaud your consistency.

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That's why I'm 100% pro-life. I do understand that things like the death penalty and war are 'necessary evils' of life, but I'm pretty much against anything that means the intentional ending of a human life.

And while I DO eat meat sometimes.... if I had to kill my own, I'd be a vegetarian. I don't eat much meat, but when I do... I prefer the blissful ignorance/denial of how the meat actually got there. ;)

Marabeth - posted on 10/06/2010

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I'm pro-choice and against the death penalty. With current science finding how many innocent people have been put to death, it is hard for me to be for the death penalty. There is no justice in our system if even one out of a million people put to death was innocent. I am pro-choice out of pragmatism to the effect of what would happen if abortions were illegal.

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I am pro choice, and if I were American I would semi support the death penalty. Thieves, murderers, rapists, they deserve to rot in jail. Pedophiles though....if they are without a doubt guilty of such a horrendous crime...should be put to death in my opinion...

Becky - posted on 10/06/2010

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Oh, I should add - I was going to say this in the other thread - that I think to be truly pro-life, you have to believe that all life is sacred, regardless of the stage of life, the quality of life, and the "worthiness" of the person. If you are against abortion, but support the death penalty and war, then I don't believe you are truly "pro-life." You're just anti-abortion.
I would go further though, to say that if you really want to be pro-life, not only should you be trying to protect a person's right to live, but you should also be trying to protect their right to quality life. In the case of abortion, like you said, Kimberly, if you are going to prevent an abortion, then you should be doing something to ensure that both the baby whose life you protected and the mother of that baby are able to have a quality life - where their basic physical, mental, emotional, social and educational needs are met.
How that would apply when you're talking about the death penalty and war and euthanasia, I'm not so sure. Except that maybe if everyone who calls themselves pro-life would put more effort into ensuring quality of life for those who are living, we wouldn't have so much crime and war.

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I am pro-choice and would support the death penalty only for rapists, child molesters and serial killers. I don't want my tax dollars to pay for their stay in prison.

However,I've heard that rapists and child molesters have a very hard time in prison as most other inmates are very cruel to them.

In the end, I am still on the fence about death penalty but leaning more towards the NO.

Kate CP - posted on 10/06/2010

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Nope. It's more expensive to put a prisoner to death than it is to just keep him in jail for the rest of his life. It's also obviously NOT a deterrent for criminals AND a few innocent men and women have been put to death because of judicial mistakes. No, I'm not pro-death penalty. But I am pro-choice. :)

Louise - posted on 10/06/2010

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We do not have the death penalty in the UK and I am not sure I would support it. When I watch the news and see another person is going to be put to death it turns my stomach. I seem to wonder what if this is the wrong person. I really don't understand your legal system so this does not help. In my mind a murderer in England has to spend life in jail which is 35 years and if it is an horrific attack there is no parole. Men in jail if they have attacked a kid or a woman have a rough time of it and rightly so. Most spend a lot of time in isolation because they are attacked by other inmates. They have no pity from me. They did the crime they can do the time. I always feel sorry for the guy whose job it is to flick the switch how does he sleep at night. No human should have that burden. I could not do that job could you?

ME - posted on 10/06/2010

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NO! It is not about being anti abortion or pro choice...it's about the failure of our justice system to only apply this "punishment" when a person is truly guilty, and it's about the failure of capital punishment to deter crime in any way...

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