Dragging Girl Scouts into Politics

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Johnny - posted on 02/21/2012

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Leave out the spaces between the letters and the < > symbols to make it work. I had to put them in so that it would be readable.

Tam - posted on 02/21/2012

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I was a Girl Scout for a short time, and honestly, this is total bunk.



The troop I was in did stuff like camp out in lawns, sidewalk chalk, gift bags for less fortunate on holidays, etc. It really kinda bored me, to be honest, which is why I quit.



But I never once heard anything about supporting sex or abortion. When will people understand that A-Abortion is not illegal, so attacking it through proxy is asinine and cowardly, and B-Planned Parenthood's majority of operations don't actually have anything to do with abortion?



Girl Scouts started out as a religious organization. Just because it has become MORE secular does not remove its religious roots - one of the reasons why I don't really have anything to do with it, but hell, the cookies are good. So I'll buy them.



And by accepting people as either members or as Guides, or Den-mothers, or whatever they call them, who are part of the LGBT community is promoting acceptance.



Something that these fundamentalist extremists might want to think about, considering that is what their messiah preached above all else.



Again, just like my stance on just about any issue that has no bearing on an unaffiliated individual: Don't like the Girl Scouts? Then don't go be one.

Jodi - posted on 02/22/2012

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"They're not against it," he said. "If you're not against it, you're for it."



Ohhhh...but this is such a common sentiment among republicans. It's like...there's no grey area on any topic with them. Everything is black and white, either you're for abortions and are just dying ot have one and want every woman in america to have at least one, or you're totally against it. Gah!



I feel like our country is going to hell in a handbasket...and the republicans are carrying that basket...

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/22/2012

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Actually our Canadian cookies are mint with chocolate cookie, dipped in chocolate, in the fall (there is NO marshmallow involved) and creamy white center with vanilla cookie and chocolate cream center with chocolate cookie in the spring... I don't like the mint ones (because I don't like mint anything) but they actually sell better than the Spring cookies, go figure, the old people LOVE the mint ones... ;) The spring cookies are the exact same as an Oreo cookie but some with chocolate middles and chocolate cookie and other's with vanilla middles with vanilla cookie, in the same package, they are AWESOME... I have never ever heard anyone that has actually boughten them say they were gross... They sell like wild fire. My daughter would sell 2-3 cases each and every time.



Rebecca3 I think you were misled on the cookies.. LOL Maybe the cookie monster got the good ones before you had a chance to try them. ;) My daughter sold them for 6 years (12 times altogether) and they are YUMMO ;)

Jodi - posted on 02/21/2012

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I think that, more than having empathy, it's about tolerance. Because, according to my husband's uncle (let's call him bob) he's a tolerant guy...but it is NOT ok to be gay, it is NOT ok to be anything other than Christian and it is NOT okay to be muslim or democratic. So...I guess he's tolerant as long as you're just like him. I think this is the bigger issue. How dare we teach our children that everybody is different, and that whether we agree with it or not, their differences must be accepted and respected. How dare we teach them that it's okay to be anything other than a rich, white, christian, straight, republican man (or the wife of)?

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Isobel - posted on 08/16/2012

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That thing you posted was about living with aids, not about girl scouts, and all of other change you mentioned sound positive to me. GS has always had a heavy pagan influence and I'm glad my daughter wasn't forced to pray to somebody else's god.

GirlScoutLeader - posted on 08/16/2012

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I see a lot of posts by people who are not current Girl Scout leaders and do not realize the change of direction Girl Scouts has taken. The people that have replied to this post are either parents of Scouts, or once were Scouts themselves, or know little or nothing of Scouts today whatsoever. I did not read one post by a current GS Leader or a person having current GS training.

I am currently a Girl Scout Leader.  I have been to multiple trainings and leader meetings over the past recent years and am currently attending these meetings. I see the changes away from old fashioned scouting. Girl Scouts is no longer about the GS Promise- On my honor, I will try: To serve God and my country, To help people at all times, And to live by the Girl Scout Law.

The focus of Girl Scouts and all the Leader trainings and meetings I have been to have these basic points that I am told to teach my girls-
1. Sell cookies/make $ 
(This helps the troop girls but mainly fills the pockets of the Girl Scout Headquarters and it's employees. The troop of girls gets 55 cents when GS Headquarters gets $1+.)
2. Buy Journey Books from GS Headquarters for your troop
(They have removed the majority of the old-fashioned badges replacing them with new Journey books. This makes more money for the GS Headquarters. These books and their lessons, which come in a series of 3 for each GS level, focus on love and worship of the earth. I know because I have taught two of them.)
3. Girls are powerful
(I am told to lead girls that they themselves are to put themselves first, that they are number one on the earth, and that they are to change the world their way.)
4. Leave OUT God/faith/morals/religion 
(Even though faith in God is the first point of the Promise, Girl Scouts and their leaders instead are forcing God OUT of the meeting, even though the majority of GS meet in a church a.k.a. house of God, they are replacing any type of faith in any God with worship of self and focus on loving the planet- flowers, trees, water, earth, etc.)
5. Accept Everything
( I am told to teach the girls acceptance of everything, including things they might feel to be wrong or uncomfortable, even if it's against their beliefs or religion or parents.
Definition of accept:
to take or receive; receive with approval or favor: to accept a present; to accept a proposal.
to agree or consent to; accede to
to respond or answer affirmatively to: to accept an invitation
Synonyms of accept: 
acquire, get, obtain, take, welcome, secure, admit, receive, acknowledge, approve, agree, adopt, affirm, assent, undertake
There is this guise of being accepting.
I think we need to take a hard look at being so "accepting" of everything.)

Does Girl Scouts accept and welcome Planned Parenthood, gays, transvestites, etc.?
Absolutely!
(Oh, you didn't know they welcome transvestites or transgenders? Google: transgender Colorado Girl Scout.)
(Here is the infamous Planned Parenthood/Girl Scout brochure.
http://ippf.org/system/files/healthy_hap...
Please note the points on masturbation, sexual exploration, anal sex, and having abortions.)

Does Girl Scouts accept and welcome God/faith/morals/religion of any kind? 
Definitely not!

Juliette Low founded Girl Scouts with the help of Baden Powell founder of Boy Scouts. Her main focus was on teaching and giving girls the opportunity to grow spiritually, mentally, and physically. Now the focus of Girl Scouts is on teaching girls to grow financially while mainly benefitting GS employees, worship planet and self, acceptance of everything.

Girl Scout Headquarters goal is to profit monetarily on every aspect of Girl Scouting while conforming each little girl into becoming "accepting" of everyone and their ideas while excluding faith in God or religion. This is well planned and thought out.

To anyone who contradicts this:
Just wait until the new Girl Scout agenda reaches you. Just because it isn't like that yet for you, doesn't mean it won't get there soon.

If Girl Scouts isn't like this for you in your area yet, good for you. But don't worry, the new GS is taking little steps making sure not to raise any red flags for you to notice too much, while quietly conforming each little girl. 
Watch out- it's coming your way! Eventually.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/22/2012

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I have a very select group of Republicans I can get into it with. And by select I mean two men who are married to friends of mine who are Democrats

Jodi - posted on 02/22/2012

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OMG...don't even get me started on the whole Christ thing and republicans! That is a whole can-o-worms I care not to get into, because they took a REALLY good thing and just pissed all over it.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/22/2012

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I believe they stopped prescribing to that particular theory Krista. They've also lost the idealism of being 'Christ like'. I doubt Jesus ran around forcing people to believe in him.

Krista - posted on 02/22/2012

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I completely agree with you, Jodi. That is what pisses me off about these theocratic hard-right-wingers. Everything is so simple, everything is black-and-white. They have NO fucking grasp on reality, because that would actually make them stop and THINK, instead of just operating on their preconceived beliefs.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/22/2012

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Pretty much Johnny.



For his part, Morris was asked for proof yesterday to support his claim that the Girl Scouts support abortion rights. "They're not against it," he said. "If you're not against it, you're for it."



That claim above is bull IMO. I'm not what I'd call 'for abortions' because I would never have one myself except under extreme conditions.



Also I'd like to know why we'd be talking to elementary aged girls in Sparks, Brownies and Guides about abortions. The priest at my parents' church caught shit about that during a 2nd grade mass last year and ended up appoligizing at the mass a week later after he appologized at coffee hour after the 2nd grade mass. And it was a Catholic church.

Jodi - posted on 02/22/2012

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http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...



It appears that Mr. Morris is no longer the laughing stock of the democrats...he is now the laughing stock of his own political party too! I'm glad that finally, at least someone in the republican party is standing up and saying "Now THAT'S just crazy!"



Funnily enough, now that this has come out, "BOB" (my husband's uncle) who yesterday was agreeing that girl scouts are indoctrinating the youth of today to the democratic party, is today saying that this was all just malarky and not every republican is crazy enough think up or agree with that stuff!? Talk about frustrating! He drives me nuts.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/22/2012

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That reminds me our cookie sales start soon and our troop leader said she picked out a prime location,



Rebecca, Canadians don't seem to know about some desserts and snacks (My husband doesn't really like cheesecake and I haven't seen a white forest cake up here yet) But they do know about others.

Celeste - posted on 02/22/2012

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Since I know pretty much almost all the troop leaders, they've come knocking at my door, I open the door and they see me LOL There are many Girl Scouts in my neighborhood.



We're about to start "booth sales" this week and I will be saying "no" to a lot of them too.



The Savannah Smiles are new this year and seems like everyone wants to try some!

Mrs. - posted on 02/22/2012

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MeMe...the Canadians buy them, because they don't know any different. It is like, IMO, being blind since birth, they don't know what they are missing. The Canadian cookies, especially the mint ones, just pale in comparison, both in taste and selection.



There are a lot of things I love about Canada in comparison to the living in The States - the GG cookies are not one of them.



Megan will have to send you some Savannah Smiles or Snickerdoodles when she meets those American Scouts. I promise you, you will most likely agree - no comparison.

Tam - posted on 02/22/2012

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They've started infiltrating the base where I live, too. I can't even do my grocery shopping at the commissary safely. And the worst part is, I'm a lot more likely to know the kids and their parents, which makes it even worse.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/22/2012

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Meme, the exact same cookies as 31 years ago?! Wouldn't they be stale by now? :)



Oh man our Brownie troop here is a bunch of crazy girls and most of them are Pixies (including my older daughter) I think the pixies need to downsize so the Elves, Leprechauns and fairies can grow.

Jenni - posted on 02/22/2012

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It's ok Tam, I do the same thing with the girl guides or kids who wait outside the grocery stores to sell chocolate bars. Usually because I don't carry change and have my cards. ;)

Tam - posted on 02/22/2012

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I can tell you, I feel bad walking past the Girl Scouts outside Walmart, looking down so I don't make eye contact and hoping they don't come after me.



Sounds horrible, but I generally buy from friend's kids, so the inevitable accosting and subsequent refusal to buy makes me feel bad.

Celeste - posted on 02/22/2012

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I was a Girl Scout Asst Leader for 2 years and now I'm Troop Cookie Manager. That's all we are, a bunch of lesbian whores and we talk about being a lesbian in our troop meetings.



Haha, totally kidding. It's so stupid.



I've had people refuse to buy GS cookies because of this propaganda BS. Pisses me off because it's the girls that suffer. This is our main fundraiser and some of the money goes directly to our troop for supplies, which include going out into the community and giving back.



On a side note, we're in the midst of cookie season and I will be SO GLAD when it's over LOL

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/22/2012

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I was also in Brownie's as a child and it is the exact same cookies today as they were 31 years ago... ;)

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/21/2012

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Rebecca, thanks for the warning. Do they make any good cookies?

Mrs. - posted on 02/21/2012

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Megan, I've had them when I first moved here years ago...they are nasty. I think I suffered some real grief when I could no longer look forward to that Snickerdoodle time of year.



Now, I can't eat any of it these days with my gluten, dairy and sugar issues, but I don't understand why Girl Guides can't get better selection.



Sorry, but the Americans have the cookie edge on this one, both on taste and selection. You should buy a bunch and sell them up north so people can taste what a real GS cookie is supposed to taste like.



That being said, I know they are not healthy....I just think if you are going to indulge and try to sell cookies to people, make it something over the top and worth the once a year indulgence.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/21/2012

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Rebecca 3, first off they are not *just* mint and chocolate. They are (as I've been told) like wagon wheels and have minty marshmallow cream (at least that's what the Girl Guide propogandists AKA my fellow Brownie Leaders told me) so nya :P



Second, I owe a friend of mine 10.50 USD plus shipping to get some Thin Mints. Because I haven't even seen Grasshoppers here in Canada. WTF! I swear if I go to the international guiding thing over the summer I am going to OK an address exchange with one American Girl Scout and get a direct an import of Thin Mints.

Mrs. - posted on 02/21/2012

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I really enjoyed my time as a Brownie when I was little. My mother did all the sale and accounting for our troop's cookie sales. That meant, growing up, that ALL the cookies for the neighbourhood/troop were in our house. Let's just say, we ended up buying a lot of snickerdoodles post eating a box.



I learned a lot about selling, being confident and sharing. There was also some useful skills like sewing and cooking. Also, I moved a lot, so joining the Brownies meant meeting people and getting to know them more quickly.



I didn't continue to Scouts because it starts to become more about outdoorsy stuff and I was more into swimming, music and other activities.



I think it is a quality organization and, although I don't have person experience with Canada's Girl Guides (although I do know their cookies suck compared to the American ones...I mean just mint and chocolate, barf!), I think I'd be happy to see my daughter give it a go if she wanted to.



Personally, I think GSA is steps in front of their male counterpart. If anything, them being more accepting of those who are different...that's a good thing.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/21/2012

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My daughter was in sparks, brownies and girl guides. She learnt nothing more than how to sleep in a tent, wash her cooking tools while outside, hang them in tree's to dry, play games, get to know other girls (but not as closely as Johnny came), sing songs, give the toad thing money each class and sell cookies. She ended up bored too and quit after 6 years. She never ever learnt about abortion or homosexuality. What the hell are they going on about now? Wow, that's priceless, well not really, some girls really enjoy being a part of an "all girls" club. They have fun, some anyway. I went on a couple weekend excursions with my daughter, I enjoyed myself, except for the hard ass homemade cots in a cottage we slept in once. We had bon fires and roasted marshmallows...mmmm Oh and that loud snoring kid kinda sucked too but I made it through.... Hell, even once the kids went to bed us parents didn't talk about abortion or homosexuality!



Megan, I want to know the same thing about using the italics and bold lettering, so we can both have the same stupid question. I have tried to no avail! LOL

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/21/2012

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Johnny, this : "Probably about 20 to 25 percent of the adult American population is so right-wing authoritarian, so scared, so self-righteous, so ill-informed and so dogmatic that nothing you can say or do will change their minds. They would march America into a dictatorship and probably feel that things had improved as a result…. And they are so submissive to their leaders that they will believe and do virtually anything they are told. They are not going to let up and they are not going away.”



pretty much also helps sum up why that 20-25% of the adult American population believes that politicians are more deserving of tax payer funded health care because of a 'job that they do' than they are. It's pretty much the old serf and king relationship.



BTW I'm going to sound like an idiot, but how do you do italics and bold face?

Jodi - posted on 02/21/2012

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Your part about "The Authoritarians", it describes "bob" to a T! I have to admit, he kind of scares me, because I know there's so many out there that think like that. And if someone like that were to get into power and "get their way", say buh bye to to the pursuit of life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.

Johnny - posted on 02/21/2012

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I read this article the other day, it seems to fit so much that is going on, but this one in particular:



Robert Altemeyer, a Canadian psychologist, has done extensive testing to isolate and describe the traits of the authoritarian personality. His results are distilled in his book “The Authoritarians.” :



”They are highly submissive to established authority, aggressive in the name of that authority and conventional to the point of insisting everyone should behave as their authorities decide. They are fearful and self-righteous and have a lot of hostility in them that they readily direct toward various out-groups. They are easily incited, easily led, rather un-inclined to think for themselves, largely impervious to facts and reason and rely instead on social support to maintain their beliefs. They bring strong loyalty to their in-groups, have thick-walled, highly compartmentalized minds, use a lot of double standards in their judgments, are surprisingly unprincipled at times and are often hypocrites.

Probably about 20 to 25 percent of the adult American population is so right-wing authoritarian, so scared, so self-righteous, so ill-informed and so dogmatic that nothing you can say or do will change their minds. They would march America into a dictatorship and probably feel that things had improved as a result…. And they are so submissive to their leaders that they will believe and do virtually anything they are told. They are not going to let up and they are not going away.”




There are tens of millions of Americans who, although personally lacking the self-confidence, ambition and leadership qualities of authoritarian dominators like Gingrich or Sarah Palin, nevertheless empower the latter to achieve their goals while finding psychological fulfillment in subordination to a cause. Altemeyer describes these persons as authoritarian followers. They are socially rigid, highly conventional and strongly intolerant personalities, who, absent any self-directed goals, seek achievement and satisfaction by losing themselves in a movement greater than themselves.



According to Wilhelm Reich’s “The Mass Psychology of Fascism,” (1933) Reich appears to see fascism as the political manifestation of an authoritarian psychology:



”Fascist mentality is the mentality of the subjugated “little man” who craves authority and rebels against it at the same time. It is not by accident that all fascist dictators stem from the milieu of the little reactionary man. The captains of industry and the feudal militarist make use of this social fact for their own purposes. A mechanistic authoritarian civilization only reaps, in the form of fascism, from the little, suppressed man what for hundreds of years it has sown in the masses of little, suppressed individuals in the form of mysticism, top-sergeant mentality and automatism.

The formation of the authoritarian structure takes place through the anchoring of sexual inhibition and sexual anxiety…. The result of this process is fear of freedom and a conservative, reactionary mentality. Sexual repression aids political reaction not only through this process which makes the mass individual passive and unpolitical but also by creating in his structure an interest in actively supporting the authoritarian order. The suppression of natural sexual gratification leads to various kinds of substitute gratifications. Natural aggression, for example, becomes brutal sadism which then is an essential mass-psychological factor in imperialistic wars.”




According to Reich, a patriarchal, sexually repressive family life, reinforced by strict and punitive religious dogma, is the “factory” of a reactionary political order. Hence, the right wing’s ongoing attempts to erase the separation of church and state, its crusade against Planned Parenthood, its strange obsession with gays. Consider the following political platform, which sounds almost as if it were taken from a speech by Rick Santorum:



”The preservation of the family with many children is a matter of biological concept and national feeling. The family with many children must be preserved … because it is a highly valuable, indispensable part of the … nation. Valuable and indispensable not only because it alone guarantees the maintenance of the population in the future but because it is the strongest basis of national morality and national culture … The preservation of this family form is a necessity of national and cultural politics … This concept is strictly at variance with the demands for an abolition of paragraph 218; it considers unborn life as sacrosanct. For the legalization of abortion is at variance with the function of the family, which is to produce children and would lead to the definite destruction of the family with many children.”



So wrote the Völkischer Beobachter of October 14, 1931. As Altemeyer warns, they are not going away: certain psychological constructs and the political expressions they give rise to, persist over time and across cultures.



This article, by Retired Republican House and Senate staffer Mike Lofgren wrote a piece in 2011 called “Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult,”



http://shoqvalue.com/loftgren2

Johnny - posted on 02/21/2012

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Now in Canada, the Girl Guides are a whole other story. My first introduction to lesbianism came at my first Girl Guide camping trip when 2 of the girls in my tent (maybe 12 or 13 years old) started kissing and climbed into the other's sleeping bag. It was a bit much for my 10 year old self. I quit.



*just a disclaimer: I am not entirely serious, but this did happen.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/21/2012

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But Johnny, if America institutionalized all their politicians who thought this way.... Wait no that's a good idea America might actually start catching up with the rest of the industrialized world.

Johnny - posted on 02/21/2012

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OMG. What are we going to do? They've figured out the evil liberal plot to take over the world one little girl at a time.



I think this is the outcome of too little thinking, too little good sex, and too much assuming that "YOU" know exactly what your God wants. They are literally becoming insane. Many of these people exhibit behaviors and thinking patterns that we are taught to look for in recognizing schizophrenia. But in their case, they are actively choosing to be certifiable.

Jenni - posted on 02/21/2012

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Yes, and scientific evidence is for godless, heathens. All scientists are atheists that the devil is working through to test our faith and should not be trusted... liberals use sciencey speak and logic to brainwash us into doing the devil's bidding.



--- GOP extremists, not my thoughts! The scary thing is that these "extremists" (I'm not including all GOP members and supporters) are finding their way into the limelight on an ever more regular basis and many are becoming strong figure heads.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/21/2012

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Jodi K. there's another term for those kinds of people- Sheeple.



These people must know a different type of Girl Scouts. Now admittedly I was never a Girl Scout, but my older daughter is a Brownie in Girl Guides which is the Canadian (and British) equivelant. Our ending songs have words such as 'prayer' 'pray' and 'Bless us all' in them.



Maybe the far Right has an issue with Fairies, Elves, Pixies and the like or they didn't get their cookie orders on time. Honestly I'm thinking some members of the GOP are having some strange fantasies and blaming them on moderates and the Democrats. Seriously what sick mind decided that Girl Scouts are promoting abortion through camping?

Jenni - posted on 02/21/2012

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The GOP has gone so far to the right that things like children's cartoons teaching concepts of sharing and empathy and groups that teach women to be strong, equal members of society are now considered liberally biased and threats to conservative values.

Krista - posted on 02/21/2012

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That's the alarming thing about people like this guy and like your husband's uncle. They don't think. They don't reason. They simply BELIEVE. And facts do not matter in the least, proof is irrelevant, and reason is a liberal trick.

Jodi - posted on 02/21/2012

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My husband's uncle believes every word of this stuff. He can never cite references, he never has evidence, any scientific evidence you give him to prove you point...well obviously the "damn dems" made up the study (even if you can prove they didn't!) yada yada yada. He brought this to my attention assuming my kids are in girl scouts (they're not even old enough!) and how, being such a vocal dem that I am, they're probably indoctrinated enough! 1 word...SHEEP.

Krista - posted on 02/21/2012

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You know, it's always a frigging conspiracy with these right-wingers. It's never, "someone is doing something that I disagree with".



No, no.



It’s always, the Girl Scouts are secretly plotting to turn your kids gay and take them away to lesbian camps for indoctrination into the secret cult of Cthulu to form his army for when he rises on Dec. 22nd, 2012, which you can clearly see because if you take the numerical value of the letters in the word “Thin Mint” translated into Summerian, it adds up to 666, which is also the value of the name Cthulu when translated into ancient Hebrew. So every cookie you buy is bringing the madness closer.

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