Drinking and Smoking

Tara - posted on 06/21/2011 ( 71 moms have responded )

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Do you think government should be allowed to ban smoking in entire cities?
I don't think this has happened anywhere in the world yet, but if it did would you support it? We're not talking about a ban on smoking on public property, in privately owned businesses etc. We're talking about an all out ban on cigarettes being lit in the city itself.
What about people's private homes? Cars?

Do you think businesses should be allowed to ban smoking inside or outside their establishments?

Do you think governments should be allowed to ban alcohol in entire cities or towns? Do you think it would be an effective deterrent to drinking?
Do you think they should be allowed to ban it in a person's private residence altogether?

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Krista - posted on 06/22/2011

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Like Jennifer added though...what about the people who work at those establishments? Finding another job is not always an option.

We banned indoor smoking (except in homes) in Nova Scotia awhile back. And yeah, there was some grumbling at first. But people got used to it, and now it's no big deal to step outside to smoke.

We've ALWAYS had our lives legislated. I'm not allowed to just go and murder someone for shits and giggles. So is this legislating my life? I don't see it that way. If my actions are posing a clear and present danger to someone else, then I have no issue whatsoever with the law saying, "Um, you can't do that."

I do kind of draw the line when it comes to peoples' homes, however. I WISH that it was illegal for people to smoke in their homes when children are present. I think it's absolutely disgusting and borderline abusive when people smoke around kids. But...a law like that would be utterly unenforceable. So the key there is to try to use education to let people know how much they are hurting their little ones by smoking around them.

As far as alcohol, no. I don't think it should be banned. But I also don't think that drinking is something that should be deterred. EXCESSIVE drinking, yes. But drinking, in and of itself, no. I see no reason why a responsible adult should not be allowed to have a nice glass of Pinot Noir with their steak.

Sara - posted on 06/21/2011

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You know, smoking is a public health issue, not just a personal choice. Tobacco use kills more than 5 million people per year. It is responsible for 1 in 10 adult deaths. Among the five greatest risk factors for mortality, it is the single most preventable cause of death. Eleven per cent of deaths from ischaemic heart disease, the world's leading killer, are attributable to tobacco use. More than 70% of deaths from lung, trachea and bronchus cancers are attributable to tobacco use. If current patterns continue, tobacco use will kill more than 8 million people per year by 2030. Up to half of the world's more than 1 billion smokers will die prematurely of a tobacco-related disease.


The economic costs of tobacco use are equally devastating. In addition to the high public health costs of treating tobacco-related diseases, tobacco users are also less productive due to increased sickness, and those who die prematurely deprive their families of much-needed income.

Tobacco use and poverty are inextricably linked. Many studies have shown that in the poorest households in some low- and middle-income countries, more than 10% of total household expenditure is on tobacco. This means that these families have less money to spend on such basic items as food, education and health care. In addition to its direct health effects, tobacco use leads to increased health-care costs. It contributes to higher malnutrition and illiteracy rates, since money that could have been used for food and education is spent on tobacco. The role of tobacco use in exacerbating poverty and hindering economic development needs to be fully recognized.

There are many cost-effective tobacco control measures that can be used in different settings and have a significant impact on tobacco consumption. The most cost-effective strategies are population-wide public policies, like bans on advertising, promotion and sponsorship of tobacco products; tobacco tax and price increases; forbidding smoking in all public and workplaces; and requiring large, clear and visible graphic health messages on tobacco packaging.

The above is from the WHO website, and it pretty much sums up my feelings and thoughts on why trying to limit where and when people can smoke is a good thing. Certainly, you cannot police tobacco use in the home, nor should you, but I do think that banning its use in public places is a good step to try and reduce smoking exposure to non-smokers as well as helping to curb smoking in general.

Sarah - posted on 06/21/2011

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Here in the UK, smoking in pubs and clubs is banned, smoking in any building (except the houses of parliament and prisons) is banned, so far as I'm aware.

I smoke and drink (baaaaad parent! lol) I don't think the people who do it sensibly and not in excess should be punished just because a few ignorant assholes spoil it.

If I smoke, I do it outside, away from kids. I would never spark up in front of someone that didn't smoke, nor would I ever smoke in car. Speaking of cars, I think the pollution from them will cause WAY more damage than my teeny bit of cigarette smoke.

If I drink, I don't get so blotted that I'm smashing things up, I don't drink to excess if my kids are around, or any kids. I enjoy the odd glass of wine in the evening, I get a bit drunk when I go out, I'm not harming anyone.

The government will NEVER ban smoking or drinking outright, they get too much revenue from it. They don't actually care about people being healthier, they want the money it generates. If they genuinely did care, they would ban it, but they don't.

I'm not advocating smoking, I've cut down loads with a view to quit. I don't advocate drinking to the point you're out of control either. I just think that what I do in the privacy of my home is my business.

Iris - posted on 06/21/2011

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Smoking.
Businesses already ban smoking inside and out their establishments , at least here in Hawaii.
On the other hand if they are going to ban it in a whole city, then why not stop selling cigs altogether there? I do think people should have the right to smoke and have a smoking area. I also think that people should be allowed to smoke in their own back yard if they please. Right now my next door neighbors think their dog shit is an excellent fertilizer (they actually said that to me). Every time I sit out I have to keep my mouth shut so I don't swallow a fly (btw, they can't figure out why they have all these flies in the backyard...DUH!!). Seriously, I'd rather have them puffing a smoke or two then dealing with flies and dog feces. I stopped smoking few months back, but I don't think the right to smoke should be taken away from people. Restricted? yes, but hasn't that already been done?
When I smoked I never smoked in my house or in my car. And if you have non smokers in your house/car or kids, I think that's reason enough to not smoke in these places.

Alcohol.
1. No
2. No
3. No

Heather - posted on 06/22/2011

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Yeah, there's plenty I'm not happy with here. Absolutely goes all through me that the same people who think it's no one's business that they keep an AK 47 locked and loaded in their house, want to stick their nose into other people's bedroom habits. Ridiculous hypocrisy!! Many Americans are hypocrites though. They want their freedoms, but regulate other peoples. Off topic ?!? So I don't stand for all Americans attitudes I guess.

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Elisabeth - posted on 06/22/2011

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Marina I have to admit that even I didn't give too much thought to the possible effects of car fumes - especially seeing as no government in any country is ever going to do anything about that issue.

However, since the issue of passive smoke has raised its head, I really found the whole issue borders on the ridiculous.

I do think that laws to not smoke indoors in public places is just common sense however I can see no sense in stopping people from smoking outdoors when every breath we take in a village, town or city is full of the exhaust fumes of the last car, bus or motorbike that has driven by.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/22/2011

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Elisabeth, well said. I agree completely. Time and time again I have made the argument of pollution made by cars vs smoking. I am sure we get plenty of cancers from car fumes.....but the fact that we literally don't put the tail pipe to our mouths and inhale is the difference I suppose. (unless of course we want to die quicker I guess.)

Elisabeth - posted on 06/22/2011

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I'd rather inhale the odd whiff of somebody else's cigarette smoke than the car fumes that we all have to inhale.

Yes its wonderful to be able to eat alfresco without cigarette smoke (why anybody would smoke while others are eating is beyond me anyway?), if only they could stop the traffic that is driving by while I am having my meal also!

I live in a large country town so we don't have a hell of a lot of pollution ... as soon as we head for the next largest town and are in three lane traffic I feel ikky in the stomach from the car fumes.

It amazes me when I have visited our capital city to see mum's with stollers standing at a pedestrian crossing right next to the traffic with their babies and toddlers at just the right height to be inhaling car fumes and they think nothing of it yet will scowl at a person walking by who is smoking, lol!

To each their own I suppose but I do get a bit weary of the 'smoking' issue when the masses are inhaling pollution every day of their lives.

Amanda - posted on 06/22/2011

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well I don't drink or smoke or let anyone do this around my kids, but I don't think that it's right for the government to control everything we can or can not do. I agree with what Bridgette said earlier...

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/22/2011

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I am fine with not smoking in buildings, restaurants etc. But banning drinking and smoking everywhere?!? Yeah, good luck with that one.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/22/2011

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Nope I would not be in support of any of this. I think it is to much "big brother". Prohibition did not stop drinking, and in this day and age people are a lot more rebellious.

Stifler's - posted on 06/22/2011

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I actually think that if you're caught smoking in your car now it's classed as a) being distracted from the road and b) endangering your child. I think. Or maybe they're passing a law like that or something.

Jenni - posted on 06/22/2011

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All countries do that to an extent. ;)
I just feel (like a broken record, haha) that people should have as much personal freedoms as possible BUT those personal rights and freedoms shouldn't be harming others and if they are, that's when we need regulations/restrictions.
I'm guessing we've both said all we've have to say on this issue now! So there's my final thought.

Jenni - posted on 06/22/2011

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Depends... is it illegal to smoke on park benches (not here) then yes I agree with you on that one. Open air and all, you have a choice of where to sit. But I see a big difference with that then going into an establishment where there's virtually no escape from it.

There are far more non-smokers who would like to enjoy restaurants/bars smoke free. Not to mention, employees. Before the law was passed here, there was no option for non-smokers. They had to put up and shut up basically, or stay at home. There was a few reasons they couldn't allow some bars/restaurants to allow and some to disallow. One of which was employees who have little choice but to be exposed. I believe there was concern that owners would be afriad to turn away customers to other bars. People shouldn't have to avoid their favourite restaurants because of other's personal choices.



Was it really a big deal for me to go out to the patio to have a smoke? No, not at all and no one I knew seemed to mind either.

Jenni - posted on 06/22/2011

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I wanted to add that our country also has no restriction on abortions. (Not saying that's good or bad) but we do have more personal freedoms on other issues than some countries.
Also we've decriminalized marijuana (for a short time) and after the Harper Regime are probably well on our way to having that personal freedom. It least long before the US ever does. We've also legalized same sex marriage which I believe only 6 or 7 states have in the US.

Heather - posted on 06/22/2011

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@ Jennifer, maybe it's just the culture? I was taught to think of myself last. If someone is at a table on a park bench etc and I decide I want to sit there. Should they stop smoking because I chose to sit there? If a restaurant owner, bar owner, is happy smoking, the patrons are happy smoking who am I to stop that? If I choose to go there I put up with the rules of the establishment. If I don't want to, there are too many other places to choose from.

Heather - posted on 06/22/2011

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It's a little different here. You can ride a motorcycle without a helmet, most kids do drive as minors- farming/Amish community, people are still upset about the seatbelt law and trying to get it repealed. My attitude may be different if I lived in an urban area where people's actions effected me or if anything I did effected other people, it's possible. As it is I find it very strange to legislate others lives.

Jenni - posted on 06/22/2011

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Also I think it's sad when people have to avoid going certain places because of *my* personal choice. They didn't make the decision to smoke, I did. Why should they have to avoid going to certain places because of a choice I make?



Also, what about the people that work at these establishments that don't want to be exposed to second hand smoke and are forced to on a daily basis?

That's a huge workforce in the restaurant/bar industry. You can't simply say, well find another job. For many, there aren't many other options.

Jenni - posted on 06/22/2011

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Well we do tell adults what they can and cannot do all the time:

You can drive a car, but you can't speed.

Can't drive a car while under the influence.

Can't allow a minor to drive your car.

Can't drive without a seatbelt or allow passengers to ride without a seatbelt.

There are strict guidelines and laws for securing your child in a vehicle.

You can't ride bikes or motorcycles without helmets.

You can't drive with open alcohol in your car.

and these are all laws not put in place to infringe on people's personal freedoms. They're put in place to protect other people's safety.



I'm all for personal freedoms. I support the legalization of marijuana, I support gay marriage (which although our country has stricter laws regarding smoking, same sex marriage is legal). But it's when personal freedoms start infringing on other's safety and *their* personal freedoms where I believe a balance or restrictions, regulations have to be put into place.



Even when smoking was allowed in restaurants, I opted not to smoke and sat in the non-smoking section because I personally found it disgusting to eat while people smoked around me and I wasn't about to sit in a hot boxed smoking section.



Most restaurants and bars have accomidated smokers with patios (outside) or designated areas where they can smoke. Just like we have designated areas where we can drink. Second hand smoke is far more dangerous than second hand alcohol, yet there are far more restrictions on alcohol. You can't carry around an open beer in a park or walk with it down the street. But you can smoke!

Gina - posted on 06/22/2011

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Like Jodi I live in Australia,and I love the fact that smoking is banned where people eat. If I smell it when I'm eating I can't eat. It's also banned in your car if you have kids under 18, I watched a highway patrol show tonight where a cop gave a couple a ticket for smoking in the car with their 12 y/ol in the back seat, the woman was NOT happy she just swore and swore so the cop gave her a fine for swearing in public! I think I want the government to stay out of my house, I mean really, isn't that too much? As for banning drinking, haven't they already tried that?

Heather - posted on 06/22/2011

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The thought of telling another adult what to do is just foreign to me. If my husband and I are going out and we don't want to be around smoke, we don't go to an establishment where it's really smokey. Yes, it's really nice to go to shopping malls and grocery stores where there is no smoke. I remember being in a car with my parents smoking and getting sick to my stomach, it was miserable. I just can't see telling an adult what to do in their own car.

Teresa - posted on 06/22/2011

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I dont' think the govt should be allowed to ban smoking in cities nor in private homes or cars. I do think businesses have the right to disallow smoking and many already do. You can't smoke at JC Penney for example.

We have dry counties in Illinois, one just up the road from us,no alcohol can be sold there. BUT, that doesn't stop the citizens from drinking in their homes or driving to the next county to drink nor should it. It is wrong to prevent people from drinking in their own homes. Prohibition did not work in the 30's and it won't work now.

Jenni - posted on 06/22/2011

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@Heather- it has nothing to do with the exhaust that children in a car would be breathing in?

I mean, I don't smoke in the car with my kids regardless of there being a law in my country. It's just common sense, but unfortunately there are many people who lack that common sense. Why shouldn't smoking cigarettes be regulated as well. Especially since it effects others around us. I believe people should have the freedom of being allowed to partake in these things. I just think that once these things start infringing on other's rights, then there is a problem and there should be restrictions.



Don't kids have the right not to breathe in their parent's deadly exhaust?

Really, if someone needs a cigarette that badly is it that big of a deal to pull over and get out of your car to have one?

(You can still smoke in the car when children aren't present)



I'm not for banning in homes and whole towns and cities though I think that's when it becomes less about one group's rights and more about another group's rights. But I think it's fair to have a balance.

Becky - posted on 06/22/2011

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Well, I'd love to see smoking banned altogether, but I don't think it's realistic to ban it in people's homes or vehicles. I totally support banning it in any public place though - including private businesses. No, I don't think private businesses should have the right to choose whether they allow smoking on their premises, at least indoors. It should be not allowed, across the board. It's not fair to their employees to force them to be exposed to it.
Alcohol, no, I don't think it should be banned.

Stifler's - posted on 06/21/2011

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No. There'd just become a black market for it like there is for pot and other drugs. I agree with banning it in pubs, restaurants, parks etc. but not in your own home. The government HAS banned drinking alcohol in entire towns here (Aboriginal communities) and you guessed it, there's a black market for it where whoever supplies it charges a lot more than retail price. Which takes food out of children's mouths and causes other social problems. We'd also have to pay more tax, and I think we pay quite enough tax thankyouverymuch. Emerald is a funny town though, we're allowed to drink pretty much everywhere like most parks between certain hours and at the dam. And during the flood everyone was walking around the streets drinking beer, spirits in cans and glasses of wine.

Heather - posted on 06/21/2011

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no, lol. It's mind altering, so I believe it should be regulated like alcohol, with the same restrictions

Shannintipton - posted on 06/21/2011

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I have said this before. Smoking is an option, breathing isn't.

Jenni - posted on 06/21/2011

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Heather, would you be for people lighting up joints in a restaurant, in a car with their children, even outside the entrance to the post office?

Heather - posted on 06/21/2011

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I think pot should be legalized. To each their own, but regulated like alcohol.

Sara - posted on 06/21/2011

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Well, in my experience, drinking to excess on a regular basis does have a negative impact on those around you. Not saying that the gov't has the right to make those things illegal, but I also don't think it's totally realistic to say that our choices only impact the individual and don't have a larger impact on our families or society at large.

For those of you who believe the gov't has no right to tell people what they can and cannot do, do you think that all drugs should be legal then? Pot, heroin, cocaine, crack, etc...should they all be legal but regulated like alcohol and tobacco?

Merry - posted on 06/21/2011

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But if you have kids in your home shouldn't someone protect them from their parents smoking and ruining their kids lungs? Or drinking til drunk in their own house and ending up beating or neglecting their kids?
The gov has to try to protect as many of us as it can without overstepping privacy. But kids don't deserve to sit in a smoky house while their parents get drunk just because the government say, your house your right.

Kimber - posted on 06/21/2011

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No i don't think they have the right to tell a person that they can't smoke in there own homes,or cars,and i think the same way for drinking as long as you don't drive,and you are 21,or older then who are you hurtting? Goverment should just stick to Goverment,and not what people do when they are at home!

Sara - posted on 06/21/2011

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Well, that really is a good question. But, I don't think there's anything wrong with campaigns aimed at trying to make the population healthier. Banning smoking in public places -- not private places -- is not a violation of your rights, IMO.

Heather - posted on 06/21/2011

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This is a slippery slope. There are plenty of things that are irratating or harmful, but you have to put up with some unpleasantness for the priviledge of living in a free society. Women who wear excessive perfume cause me and many others to have breathing issues, sometimes severe. Should we ban certain scents? Obesity is killing millions should we have a government diet or mandatory exercise? Stupidity kills millions, should we have IQ tests for driving cars, voting , or working certain jobs? What is the limit for government intrusion in our lives? How much personal control are you willing to give up so you can be comfortable?

Sara - posted on 06/21/2011

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Well sure, but banning smoking in public places anywhere I think would at least attempt to curb people from smoking as much as they might if they could just smoke anywhere. I used to be a smoker, and even then I never felt it was my right to smoke anywhere I wanted whenever I wanted.

Merry - posted on 06/21/2011

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In a perfect world I'd love to see smoking irradiated. I don't know how to best go about doing that, but it would be nice.
I think the world would also be better off if alcohol was completely gone. It's hurt and killed way too many people to be deemed harmless and we can relax and have fun other ways.
Again, I dont know how to best get this perfect world, but it sure would be nice to be completely done with all smoking and alcohol.

Jenni - posted on 06/21/2011

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@America- When they first put them on the packs here (I was a teenager) we use to just peel the paper off the tinfoil in the packs and use the back of our nails to stick it over top of the images. They only one that I really can't stand looking at is the teeth one. mmmmm sexy.

America3437 - posted on 06/21/2011

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The government just decided to put nasty images on packs of cigarettes to help us stop smoking but it makes me want to go out and buy a cigarette case not stop smoking! Just sayin......

Jenni - posted on 06/21/2011

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Yeah, you're in Hawaii you probably have super clean air there compared to a lot of developed world. Lucky. I live in the heart of motor city. We have horrible smog and high cancer rates. Makes me really frustrated that I have this habit on top of all that. Working on quitting. :/

Lissa - posted on 06/21/2011

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In Scotland we already have warnings on packs with graphic pictures of diseased lungs, babies breathing smoke, rotten teeth, I can't think what else. You are not allowed to advertise cigarettes in any way.

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Well... I live somewhere that doesn't have a lot of industrial emissions or anything like that. ;) The amount that we DO have here doesn't cause me to cough, choke, and almost puke just from one single whiff though.....

Jenni - posted on 06/21/2011

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Yeah, we've already had those on our packs for the last 15 years, I believe?

Jenni - posted on 06/21/2011

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That's right Teresa, you should have the right *not* to breathe in other's cigarette smoke. It's not your fault I have a disgusting habit that effects other's around me. It's not about *my* (a smoker) personal freedoms. It's about balance and finding a way to satisfy *everyone* personal freedoms. One of which is to breathe semi-clean air.



I wish someone would put a ban on industrial emissions or force them into designated areas away from the public. But meah, that's a pipe dream.

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I'd be completely fine if drinking and smoking were illegal everywhere. I do realize that prohibition didn't work though, so I don't have the answer.

I just wish smoking were illegal cuz then it might cut down on the places that I couldn't breathe. I'm well aware that people would still smoke if it were illegal, but MAYBE they wouldn't be quite so open about it in public. I'd still probably get choked out by my neighbors at home though....

America3437 - posted on 06/21/2011

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The Government wants to dictate to me where and when I can smoke or drink in an so called effort to improve health in americans and cut down on government spending. How ever it is my choice and they should worry more about helping the ones who are effected by the tragic weather events that are happening all around the U.S.! The same government that sent millions of dollars to aid in Japan earthquake refused to help the American Citizens affected in my state by deadly tornados!!!! This pisses me off and totally makes me want to run for office. The people affected by the deadly tornados are living in tents with pretty much nothing because the tornado took everything! Children are hungry and would like to eat a hot meal and sleep in a bed, but the government has more important health issues to worry about! We should all go to the steps of the white house and lite up till this joke of a government decides to get their head out of their asses and help america in this time of need! They sure jump at the chance to help others mean while back at home we struggle with decisions like lights or food, gas for work or medicine to keep us alive. Really people it's time to stand up for ourselves!!!!

Christina - posted on 06/21/2011

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I think the Gov't has their hands in too many things as well. The government's job is to run the country, not stick their nose into every single thing I do!
I'm not sure why so many people are okay with the government dictating so many things. It is NOT the gov't's job who I choose to marry (gay or straight), that is the individual state's right to make. It is not their job to dictate if I home school my kids or send them to public school. It's not their job to tell me if I can smoke or drink! You can put restrictions on them both (no smoking inside public buildings, ect) but it is still my choice to make and they do not have the right to tell me I can't do it if I choose to.

Katherine - posted on 06/21/2011

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They have banned smoking everywhere here in MI. You pretty much CAN only smoke in your car or private property. As for the alcohol, I don't drink so that would be fine with me. No, really they should have dry counties and they do in the south, but not here in the north that I'm aware of.
We don't need a new prohibition and it will never happen.

I think it wouldn't hurt to ban alcohol in certain towns, but I think the citizens have the right to speak up about it. Maybe petition it. We really don't have any "bible belts" here in MI.


Absolutely NOT ban it in a person's private home, no way. That is infringing on so many rights!

Jenni - posted on 06/21/2011

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Not in Canada. It is endangering other people. It is endangering children when people smoke in the car with them. That is the part I don't agree with. When my personal freedoms are infringing on other's personal freedoms. The same as cellphones being banned in cars. It is endangering other people. You can still own a cellphone, you can talk on it whenever you please. Just not while you're operating a vehicle.



Same as alcohol. You can drink in a bar, you're not endangering anyone else. But if you get behind the wheel, you are. That's why it's illegal to drive drunk.

Heather - posted on 06/21/2011

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There is still smoking in bars and some places of business. There is no smoking inside schools. Plenty of mothers smoke with their kids in the car. I think its a shame, and they shouldn't do it, but I don't like the idea of creating a law about it. I just personally am uncomfortable with such government intrusions into private lives.

Jenni - posted on 06/21/2011

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@Heather, I'm a smoker but I believe others have the right not to breathe in my deadly exhaust. I was totally for the banning of smoking in bars/restaurants, all businesses. I may have the right to smoke, but I don't have the right to blow it in non-smokers faces.

People can still have that personal freedom but have designated areas to enjoy that personal freedom.



I may have smoked in bars before the ban but I never lit up in restaurants. I thought it was gross and never knew which direction I should blow my smoke so as not to disturb other patrons.



People aren't allowed to roam the streets or undesignated public property with alcohol. There is an appropriate place to enjoy those freedoms.

Jodi - posted on 06/21/2011

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But how are you free to make decisions that impose on others.....such as smoking in the car with your children. Smoking in your home with your children. Smoking in a hotel room on the same air conditioning unit as non-smokers?

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