Dude, you're a girl..

Dana - posted on 02/20/2010 ( 24 moms have responded )

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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE4A...

Tomas Beatie is pregnant for a third time. I could understand the first time, but to still have your reproductive organs and to be pregnant for a third time....doesn't that make you a woman?

Let me also add, he was NOT the first "man" to be pregnant, he's just the first man to make a public spectacle of himself and family. Which tends to make me think he's continuing this for some kind of fame.

What do you all think? Man or woman?

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JL - posted on 02/21/2010

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He is who he is....and if he feels like that he is mentally and emotionally a man, but he kept and is using his female reproductive organs so he can have children with his wife then that is his choice to make. We get so caught up on defining people according to classifications and focus so much biological gender specifications and shit that we forget that we do not completely understand how the mind works.



We are not inside his head and we do not know how he feels. If he feels like a man but is using the reproductive organs he was born with to bring about life then so what that is his business. Those children are being loved and taken care of. There are male crossdressers and transgenders who dress like women take on feminine persona and they marry a woman and they maintain their male parts and have sex with their wives and reproduce........that is what makes them happy and comfortable. I personally don't think the parts matter as much as what this man feels he is deep inside his mind and soul. If he says he is a man then he is a man.

Sara - posted on 02/22/2010

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Well, it's my understanding that he is legally a man, but kept his reproductive organs exactly for the purpose of having his own biological offspring. I don't understand why this is such an issue? So what if his gender identity is a man? I mean, I'm not his psychiatrist, but isn't he just fulfilling the purpose of keeping his ovaries and uterus, so he can have a family?



And I don't see how he's making a "spectacle" of himself, I think that's kind of harsh. Usually the first people to go public on issues like this do tend to be made a spectacle, but someone has to be the first, don't they? Was Rosa Parks making a spectacle of herself too?



And for the record, not everyone who has a "sex change" has their reproductive organs removed, some just go through hormone therapy. As you can imagine, a complete sex change is pretty expensive and certainly not covered by insurance. I don't think it necessary means that someone isn't committed to living their lives as a man/woman.

Sara - posted on 02/24/2010

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I was just trying to make a point (with the Rosa Parks thing), that when you are the first person to go against the socially acceptable norms publically (Not moving to the back of the bus, being a transgender male and having a baby), people are gonna get up in arms about it.

Dana - posted on 02/24/2010

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Sara, maybe that bit was a tad harsh, probably because I do let my emotions get into this one. That guy pissed me off when he first came out saying he was the first man pregnant. He blew off the rest of his community when there was an out cry that he *wasn't* the first man to be pregnant. I watched and read many of his interviews. My view was that he was loving the attention and it pissed me off. That being said, I don't see where Rosa Parks comes into play at all. Rosa Parks was a wonderful women who changed the world. Tomas Beatie is just another guy. Just because he's transgender doesn't automatically make him the shit, it just makes him a guy.

Amie - posted on 02/21/2010

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I think he is who he is. He defines himself as a man because that's what he feels he is. He was born a female, that doesn't mean he's still a woman, he's just a female body with a man's identity.

I can't remember for sure but in order to get a full sex change (assuming he wants to of course) don't you need to live as the opposite sex for an entire year? Go through psych treatments, etc? Being pregnant (even if it is to expand their family because his wife can not) is like resetting the clock then isn't it? Even so, the procedures are not exactly cheap. There could be a lot of reasons why he has not opted to have the full sex change operations.

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Tracey - posted on 02/23/2012

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If this person has men's and ladie's organs what would happen if he was ever sent to prison, would he go to male or female jail?

Jodi - posted on 02/22/2012

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My mom has no breasts...thanks Cancer! She is still a woman. My personal point is this, if he wants to call himself a man, think he's a man, BE a man...go for it, you're a man by all counts except one...Biology. Biologically, no matter how many surgeries he has or how hard he thinks it, he is still a "she". So...biologically, a man has yet to get pregnant, despite what the media says about Thomas Beatie. I have no problems with transvestites, transgenders, anyone, but scientifically, biologically, no HE has ever gotten pregnant.

Mrs. - posted on 02/22/2012

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It is my understanding that he has had his breasts removed...so not all his "lady parts" are there.



I guess I have to ask, for those who say he's not a man, if he went through the genital surgery (which for a woman to man is far behind the man to woman transition), would you then see him as a man? Or is there no way, no matter what the genitals, that you would consider him a man?



It is my understanding that many trans women to men would love to have the genital surgery, but it is just not perfected or easily done. That although it is their heart's desire to do this, the medical community has not caught up with the need.



Now, I know that he had the desire for children and that his partner has had a hysterectomy. Whelp, they have the option, through his former life as a woman, to do what my brother and his partner can't do...carry their own child.



If this person has had their breast removed, transitioned into their male body and calls themselves male...I'm not gonna be picky about the penis bit.



I mean, if a man loses his balls, then doesn't have all his man parts, is he not still a man if he identifies as such?

Jodi - posted on 02/22/2012

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"He's a man in his mind but biologically his body is still female. A female body got pregnant ... big deal! "



That's exactly how I feel! So he's mentally a man, so his drivers license says male, big whoop. Having a fully functioning female reproductive system means his FEMALE body got pregnant, not all that sci-fi at all.



I couldn't possibly care less that he feels male, I couldn't possibly care less that he still has female "parts", but I DO care that they make it sound like a man, born with all the proper male pieces, fully functioning, is having a baby. Why don't they say, "transgender having a baby!" Because it doesn't cause the splash that a man having a baby causes.

Christy - posted on 02/22/2012

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I think he is a wonderful man and husband who is giving his wife the joy of being a mother when she cannot bear children herself. Doesn't matter if Tomas has a penis, vagina, uterus, or all three? He gave his wife three beautiful gifts!

Dana - posted on 02/24/2010

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They have made money off of it though, that's why I had said he was making a spectacle of his family, for fame and money.



And, no, no one had come out and contacted the media saying they were male and having a baby prior to Tomas. He was well aware that he was NOT the first, the whole transgender community was aware of it, that's why they were up in arms over it. He's not paving the way for them, they've been talking about stuff like that for years. During the time he first came out, transgendered people came forward talking about how it's been going on for years they just weren't alerting the media about it and trying to make money off it.

Sara - posted on 02/24/2010

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I understand where you're coming from too, I just think that no one else has really come out publically about being transgendered and having a baby...at least I never heard of it. I don't really see where this family is trying to profit off of this, I just see it as them trying to make it known for other transgender people and their partners, in the hopes of making it easier for others.

Dana - posted on 02/24/2010

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I guess the way I see it is if someone came out after Rosa Parks and acted like they were the first person to refuse their seat to a white person. Then *they* did interviews that Rosa never gave. It doesn't make it true, it doesn't make it right, it's just disrespectful.

I do get where you're coming from though, I just think there's more to it than that.

JL - posted on 02/22/2010

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I didn't realize he coined the monkier but the media did play off of it and direct every discussion with the headline...Pregnant Man which has fueled the whole moniker and the media does keep referring to him that way and they don't have to and they don't have to cover him everytime he wants to announce a pregnancy.



The sensationalist news is just so irritating in general. Honestly I don't care if he is having his 5th kid and I don't care that OCTOmum has lost weight and is posing in bathing suits on mag covers, because they are not contributing in such significant ways to the world that we should give them so much attention. I wish the news would focus on real news, like what is going on in Sudan and Tibet.

Dana - posted on 02/21/2010

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Actually Joy, he was the one to coin himself the first man to be pregnant. When asked about it because there was such an uproar over it he still did not deny it.



And yes obviously in his mind he see's himself as a man but the fact still remains, he has all of his female parts, making him a women. I just think it's time to quit saying that the Pregnant Man is pregnant for the third time.

Lindsay - posted on 02/21/2010

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I agree that he is what he is. And since the "female" in the relationship couldn't have a child, he's using what he has to make it happen. I do feel that their public announcements are over-the-top. The first child is fairly understandable, to me, as having a head up in what was surely going to happen as people began to see a "man" pregnant with a child. But I do think that the second and third pregnancies should remain private. Their nieghbors have been through this and know there story as well as co-workers and people around them. It's not as likely to draw the attention once it's "old news". So I do think that by publicly announcing the 2nd and 3rd, they are fishing more for attention even if they aren't making money off of it.

JL - posted on 02/21/2010

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He just announced he is pregnant with his third, but from what I gather his public announcements are not all about wanting to make money or get a show or get public noteriety. After reading and watching their intial interviews it sounded like he and his wife explained that the reason they came out was to do so as a preemptive strike. They knew that once he was walking around pregnant people were going to talk and then media would be at their door asking questions so they figured it was best for them to come out and publicly explain what was going on in order to set the record straight and keep the media from spinning it negatively. I agree that I find it refreshing that they are not trying to exploit their private decisions and have a reality show. The media was the ones to coin him as the first man to be pregnant..we all know how the media likes to make things as sensational sounding as possible in order to gain public interest in what they are reporting.

Erin - posted on 02/21/2010

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I have no problem whatsoever with this person and the wife. I actually watched that special they had a couple years ago on TV and they seem like very nice people. And I have no problems with them conceiving and having children. I'm not one to judge people. What I have a problem with, is "him" being recognized as being the "first man to be pregnant." "He" is not a complete man yet. At least in my opinion "he" isn't.

On another note, I am pleased that we haven't heard anything publically about them for awhile. The last time I heard about them was when they had their second child. So it is nice to know that they didn't get a reality show or something like that.

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As some one who was concieved using donor sperm - I'm hoping he and his wife chose an open donor. I met (for the first time my sister from the same donor today!)

Rosie - posted on 02/20/2010

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man. i don't know his history of why he didn't have his female organs removed with the sex change, but his wife having a hysterectomy would make me think they wanted to have a child with some of their own dna. if he has the ability to, why not? it does confuse me a bit, but i really do think that in his head he thinks he's a man, and if he can still use his "parts" to have a child with his wife than i don't see why he wouldn't. i don't know what i would do if i was in that position (not being able to have a child), but if i wanted one bad enough, i'd do just about anything to get one.

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