Extreme morning sickness....

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Dana - posted on 04/25/2011

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You know, I think the thing that throws people off onto the wrong track is the title of "Severe Morning Sickness" rather than using the term "hyperemesis gravidarum ".

Ez - posted on 04/24/2011

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HG is not just 'extreme morning sickness'. That part of the article pissed me off straight away. HG is a life-threatening pregnancy complication. My Mum had it. She was in and out of hospital. I had to basically live with my grandparents because my Dad was at work and she was far too ill to care for me. After my brother was born, her OB came in and told her she had to have her tubes tied rather than risk another pregnancy. He believed another pregnancy could kill her (because HG will often worsen with each subsequent pregnancy). Despite the fact my parents wanted a third child, they realised another pregnancy was not an option.

Some women with HG end up with PICC lines or NG tubes. They suffer dehydration, malnutrition and sometimes organ failure. This is not just bad morning sickness, and more people need to realise that. Dismissing it as being less than it is leads to these women feeling incredibly alone and helpless.

That being said, intentionally going into another HG pregnancy after aborting two others is reckless. I have no judgement for a HG mother who terminates a (usually much-wanted) pregnancy. Only compassion. I understand why they do it (especially if they already have other children to care for). But unless this woman has sourced out some more progressive treatments (and there are some), she is knowingly entering into another disastrous situation. Bad idea.

Mary - posted on 04/25/2011

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I'm a bit torn on this. I had to read the article through twice, to really get an understanding of where this woman was coming from. It really not as simple as she has two kids, aborted two pregnancies, and wants to try for another even though the issues that caused her to abort will most likely return (and possibly be worse).



Her two children are from a previous marriage. It sounds as if her current husband does not have any children of his own, and (desperately) wants one. I think that is understandable. It sounds like they went into their first pregnancy together, with her hoping a different father would result in her not being so sick (a realistic possibility), and him having absolutely no idea of what HG really was, or any preparation for how devastatingly ill his wife could become.



I do think that many of you have no real understanding of just how debilitating true and severe HG can be. While rare, it is so far beyond "bad" morning sickness. Comparing HG to it is like comparing a cold to sepsis. Honestly, unless you yourself have had it, or directly cared for someone with it, I just don't think you can fully grasp just how sick and tormented these women are.



While I'm not sure I would make the choice this couple has, it does sound like something that have given a lot of careful thought and consideration to. No doubt it will be difficult, but the big difference that they are banking on changing the outcome, is that they are going into this with both of them prepared for what is to come. They are also enlisting the support of others.



I haven't been where they have, so while I can sit outside of their life and think I might make a different choice, I really don't feel I can judge them. I sincerely hope it works out for them.

Sneaky - posted on 04/24/2011

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I had HG with my first and the only time I didn't feel as if my baby was trying to kill me was when I was in hospital hooked up to a drip (I didn't stop throwing up, but at least my body stopped eating itself). I look at my five year old now and I love her desperately, but for those first weeks she was not a baby, she was an alien invader in my body trying to kill me. It is really hard to explain to someone that has not been there, you really can not imagine how sick you feel CONSTANTLY, you really are not physically capable of anything else and all you want is for it to stop; I slept with my head hanging off the bed over a bucket because I would vomit in my sleep. I never though of abortion, but there were moments when I wished that I would just die already.

Number two was easier, I went straight to my doctor and got a script for the strongest ant-nausea drugs you can get (they were developed for patients undergoing chemo). Though a category B (a category A is totally safe for use in pregnancy) I used them, taking one every second day - one day of limited vomiting was enough to get me through the next day of constant vomiting. I also wore sea sick bands religiously and tried to eat as much ginger as I could - it didn't touch the sickness. I eventually went to an acupuncturist who was also a Chinese herbalist. He explained to me the sea sick bands do not work because they just do not put enough pressure on the point in your wrist (it is between two tendons), you really need to walk around pushing the end of a pen into your wrist -and yes I did and yes it DOES stop the gag reflex. He also explained that Chinese medicine recognizes two types of morning sickness, a 'cold' version which ginger works for because it is a 'warm' herb, and a 'hot' version which we westerners do not really have a natural antidote for. My morning sickness was 'hot' of course.

Number three was even easier, before I even started getting sick I started taking Maxalon (the most commonly prescribed anti-nausea drug for women in Australia as it is a category A drug) Though it did not help with either of my first two pregnancies the plan this time was to 'build it up' in my system before the HG started. It worked to an extent, at least I was able to keep down water and I did not end up in hospital, though I was still freaking miserable. Of course, I was also taking the drug at a higher rate than the recommended dose (recommended is three a day, my doctor had me on four a day).

I also consider myself BLESSED in that my HG resolved itself around the 14 week mark every time and in spite of these drug fueled beginnings so far all my kids are beautiful, healthy and happy.

As to the lady in the news story - the medical profession has FAILED her big time. EVERY ONE has the right to have a child, for couples who can not get pregnant naturally there is IVF, for women who can not carry their own baby there is surrogacy, we do all these interventions (ultrasounds, blood tests) to make sure that mum and bub are healthy through out the pregnancy and it just makes no sense that doctors in the UK will not treat HG. How far behind the rest of the planet are they???? She has every freaking right to have more children - she is being let down by the doctors in her country who will not help her to do it. I would like to remind everyone - with her third pregnancy she was in hospital on a drip and a feeding tube and they could still not stop her constant vomiting. Exactly how incompetent are these doctors???

I take issue with the 'mental issues' comment. Until you have being dying of a combination of dehydration and starvation (which BTW does make your mental processes slow to the point of you being a zombie incapable of rational thought - it's a physiological process, not a 'mental' one) then I don't think you have any idea what exactly you would be capable of doing (including aborting a baby you desperatly want, or perhaps resorting to cannibalism) to survive.

In conclusion: I fully believe that it is her RIGHT to have more children and it is her RIGHT to have access to decent medical care and treatments. Do I think it would be a good idea for her to exercise her right to have another baby when her right to decent medical care has been denied? NO.

I also see inherent danger in 'locking' her up so that she can not get an abortion. With HG that could potentially lead to her death, and if she survives it the trauma of that kind of pregnancy would be bound to adversely effect the bond that she would have with that baby.

Kate CP - posted on 04/25/2011

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Okay, you guys aren't getting it. THIS IS NOT MORNING SICKNESS. HG is like nothing you have ever experienced before. It's not a matter of "suffering through it". HYPEREMESIS CAN KILL YOU.

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Abigail - posted on 08/03/2016

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With my both pregnancies, I got really bad morning sickness but during my second pregnancy I managed this freak with the help of No to morning sickness tea.

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I understand women trying and trying after numerous devastating miscarriages.I find it hard to be on board when your willingly make the choice to abort as you can not cope.You really must have to be pushed to your limit, i don't want to down play what this lady must of had to endure.

I find that hard to take to be so honest.I think why try again, how many babys must she abort sadly before she can cope.If she does get pregnant i pray she can cope this time and i pray she gets to have her baby.That both are healthy and happy.

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Tia in the UK we don't have to pay for adoption, although it is a lengthy and difficult process to adopt :-)

♥TIA♥ - posted on 04/26/2011

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Wow I wouldn't say anything wrong or bad about this, I'd rather be glad to know I am not in her shoes, Unless I could have tried to bare the pain of not being able to have a child, emotionally and physically then maybe there could be more to say, besides bless her and the unborn. Some couples really seriously would risk death for their own off spring child. And not everyone can afford a down payment for adoption. In a way some people are determined try try before you quite. She tries. I am sure there will be a quite time. And like some women who could take the risk all the way and succeeded. Some moms here today probably wouldn't be. : (

This is a sad post. How far would you go to have your baby? I would try again....as long as my hubby is supportive and can bare with me. Till doctor says NO MORE!

Caitlin - posted on 04/26/2011

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I had HG with my first, not my second and had it again this time around. It's funny how that works, I had morning sickness with my second, but it was nothing near the first or this time. I used to bring my pillow and blanket into the bathroom, and still sometimes I didn't have enough energy to sit up to throw up in the toilet. I was lucky in that by 13 weeks it was gone both the first and third times, but those treips to the hospital (being dragged by the hubby) because I keep passing out because I haven't eaten in 3 weeks were pretty intersting. What made it worse the first time around is that I was one fo those unlucky women who gets SICKER when she takes diclectin.. Which is funny, because it worked amazingly for my morning sickness the second time around. The first time it was REALLY bad, but only the third time was I lying there, trying to care for the kids (ya right - my hubby did it all - poor exhausted guy) and wonder why the hell did I do this and is it worth terminating to make it stop.. The only thing that kept me going is that it went away at 13 weeks before, and I was lucky this time it followed the same path.

People never understood (my doc did - he saw my weight drop) and said I was just whining about it, and that it was just monring sickness. It rustrated me, made me feel weak and like less of a woman. The third time I had to drop my online courses from university ebcause I couldn't even see straight anymore from fatigue, nausea, hunger and constant headaches. NOT fun. To this day I still go everywhere with my anti-acids, because I have such issues digestively since this and this is REALLY my last time, I am not risking this again!

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I had a chat with my friend about this as i know she was so sick second time around.This is what she had..she was tube fed through for tummy it got so bad.She lost so much weight but she had a super healthy 9lb baby boy.



She said even though she felt like she was in hell, she had to cope.She said she can understand how one would feel like giving up completely but having an abortion she found hard to take but again she said what others do is on them.She feels sad this woman felt like she could not cope and thinks mothers with hg need more help.



I wasn't even as close to being tube fed,i was close to being in hospital& my doctor felt i was so bad drugs would be an option.This doc is fussy about even given an antibiotic.



I'm glad i never got as bad as my friend or this mother in the article.As at the time with how i felt, that to me was i think all i could take.

So i guess you can't speak until your in there shoes.

If this mother gets pregnant i hope she can cope and get all the support and help she needs not just medically but from family and friends to.

Even bad morning sickness for me up to 38 weeks..people thought i was over reacting.It hurt, so i can't imagine what these mothers have to face.I felt so isolated, depressed but did not want to show it or admit it,i lost friends and only knew my bed and the toilet for most of the pregnancy lol.But true.

Ez - posted on 04/26/2011

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We have patients coming in all the time, with only very moderate morning sickness, demanding medication.
Patient - 'Doctor, I've been sooooooo sick. Can you give me something?'
Doc - 'Depends. How many times a day are you vomiting?'
Patient - 'Oh no I haven't thrown up! I just feel yucky. So can I have those handly little Zofran wafers?'

I can completely understand a doctor refusing to prescribe medication to one of those ^^^ women. But that part of the article did seem strange to me. After one HG pregnancy ending in abortion, wouldn't you search further to make sure you had adequate support and care?

Mary - posted on 04/26/2011

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Yeah, Cathy - I wondered about the validity of that claim. Perhaps I'm an optimist, but I cannot believe that it is a common practice that all providers in the UK are refusing to prescribe anti-emetics to women who are seriously ill, or for whom natural remedies are ineffective.

Mary - posted on 04/26/2011

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Erin, I agree; if one more person posts about how they had "bad morning sickness" but soldiered through it.....

HG is not morning sickness. It is so far beyond that. Perhaps this will help: If morning sickness is a paper cut, than HG is a home amputation with a rusty steak knife.

Ez - posted on 04/26/2011

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The lack of awareness of HG, as shown in this thread, is a big part of the problem HG mothers face. They are often dismissed or accused of over-reacting, when they are actually deathly ill. When the general public, and even close family and friends don't accept this condition for what it is, it is not surprising that some doctors don't either.



I can't understand why the lady in this article isn't getting better support for her condition. The GPs I work for have treated several severe cases of HG in the years I've worked for them. They usually try a combination of heavy-duty medication (Zofran) and some alternative therapies (acupuncture being the most common because one of our doctors also does this). They are seen by a Maternal-Fetal Medicine specialist to give them the best chance at a positive outcome. Why isn't this possible for this lady?



Again, I think going into another HG pregnancy without the appropriate tools to deal with it is foolhardy. But surely she should be able to find a provider to get her on a treatment regime which will allow her to tolerate a pregnancy.

Kate CP - posted on 04/25/2011

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Well, I *had* gall bladder disease...now I just don't have a gall bladder. ;)

Sneaky - posted on 04/25/2011

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@ Kate, yes that's what the green stuff was . . and is probably why you have gall bladder disease now. Pregnancy's fun isn't it?

Sneaky - posted on 04/25/2011

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I think that some of you are missing the point a little bit - when you are constantly vomiting, you are dehydrated and you are starving then no matter how 'pro-life' you are you may well do something that goes completely against every moral value you have and abort the baby that you desperately want. It's not about 'pushing through it' it is about survival.

ME - posted on 04/25/2011

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I don't think I would risk it if I were in her position...but, it is her right to make that choice, and if she believes she can handle it, then more power to her...

Becky - posted on 04/25/2011

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I had horrible morning sickness with my first - I couldn't stand the smell of my own house (it was brand new and still smelled like paint and carpet glue, etc) and would get sick as soon as I walked in the door from work. But, I didn't have HG, just really miserable morning sickness. That was bad enough. If my second had been that bad, I would have been done after him! But he wasn't, fortunately. Anyways, I have a hard time even imagining it being so much worse than what I experienced, so I completely have sympathy for her. But I think that if I was so sick that I felt my only choice was to end the pregnancy, I wouldn't risk getting pregnant again. I couldn't handle the guilt of ending the pregnancy once, let alone taking the risk that I might feel that was my only choice again. Why doesn't she pursue surrogacy? Then it is still their child, but she doesn't have to go through hell to have it.
I do think it's horrible that her doctors wouldn't at least try to help her when she was at that point of desperation! I would be so angry about that!

Sarah - posted on 04/25/2011

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Good god, HG sounds unbelievably horrific!! I had never even heard of it until now.



If it were me, I'd probably be too terrified to even consider trying for a third baby. If I was that desperate for another baby, I might consider surrogacy or possibly even adoption. But, then again, I've never experienced HG or any abortions or miscarriages (thank god), so I can't really empathize with her desperation to successfully carry another child.

Carol - posted on 04/25/2011

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I can't imagine it, because I didn't have terrible morning sickness, but I have a friend that had super-bad morning sickness, could not stand the smell of anything without getting nauseous: food cooking, people doing laundry...I mean anything. The only thing that made her feel better was cold water on her face (a shower). She had one child at 18 and another at 43. In between, she had several abortions because she couldn't take the morning sickness and didn't really want kids. I don't know the whole story, but I do know that morning sickness is almost unbearable for a small percentage of women.

Kate CP - posted on 04/25/2011

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Nah, not offended. :) I like a good debate, don't worry. ;)

Anywhoodle. I don't judge women for having an abortion ever...that's their right. I, personally, could never have an abortion unless MY life depended on it. I would never leave my kids without a mom if I could help it. It would be damned hard for me to do and accept, but I love my children too much to do that to them.

I can understand this woman's drive to have more kids, especially by her current husband, but at the same time I have to think that maybe her husband is being selfish. If it were me and MY husband he would never ask this of me. When I told him I wanted a second child he told me "Absolutely not. I can't risk losing you." It was a big risk and it took a long time to finally get pregnant but we did and now we have a beautiful son and a gorgeous daughter. We don't want more kids and if I get pregnant again I don't know what I'll do. This last pregnancy wasn't all that easy on me either so the idea of being pregnant again is just nuts to me. But I digress...

No, I can't and I won't judge her for what she's doing and what she's been through. I feel for her and I know I couldn't do it, personally, but I can't judge her.

Constance - posted on 04/25/2011

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Abortion is one of the most controvisal desisions, but as far as I am concerned it is a woman's choice and only her her choice. For me personally I wouldn't but I have also had 7 miscarriages and it was devistating for me. With my first child I had really bad morning sickness but never to the extent of it intefeing with my health. So truthfully I don't know what I would do in her situation. All I do know is I would talk to my doctor about treatments that are availible to ease morning sickness so that I wouldn't be faced with this decision again.

Arlene - posted on 04/25/2011

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I'm really glad you never had an abortion and I'm really glad that it sounds like abortion isn't an option for you. AND I'm glad you were able to have a second baby without HG. I, unfortunately have had a miscarriage, and it was so horrible, and I felt guilty afterwards thinking I've done something to cause it to happen. I couldn't imagine EVER having an abortion, let alone two. Like I said I've never experienced HG, so I can't even pretend to understand how horrible it is. But, I am pro-life, all the way, abortion is never right (in my opinion) and so it makes no sense to me that someone in her situation, having already had abortions, and already being blessed with children, would want to get pregnant again. I know this is a debating forum, but I really hope I didn't offend you? :)

Kate CP - posted on 04/25/2011

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Look, I'm not saying that what she's doing isn't nuts. It IS nuts.

But it's the same risk *I* took when I got pregnant again with my son. I *knew* the chances of me having HG were REALLY high but I got pregnant again anyway because I really wanted another baby.

I've never had an abortion, never had a miscarriage (thank God)...but I don't judge women who have had an abortion. ESPECIALLY in this instance.

Arlene - posted on 04/25/2011

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She already had two abortions, she has children, she said how guilty she felt after the abortions. She should be counting her blessings that she was able to have the children she has, take the abortions/guilt as a warning that this does happen to her and realize that getting pregnant again may not be a good idea.

Kate CP - posted on 04/25/2011

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Because, Arlene, it's not a guarantee that you'll ALWAYS have it. I had it with my daughter, but not with my son.

Arlene - posted on 04/25/2011

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Abortion is never okay. And if you already had two abortions and know you're going to get that sick again, why get pregnant again? It doesn't make any sense. I've never had HG, and I don't deny that it's probably horrible, btu if you know you get it, and can't handle it, don't get pregnant. So wrong to try for number 3.

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I think this lady is being incredible wreckless and selfish, she knows she has an extremely high probablity of getting HG again yet she is still intending on getting pregnant again - even though she knows the previous two times she was pregnant she couldn't cope with how bad the HG was. It is unlikely she will be able to cope with it again and so she is likely to have another termination - she will more than likely have to go to hospital with it so if she wants a termination she will be able to get one, her sister can't keep her locked up if she is in need of a medical attention surely.

Also I don't see why her doctor won't give her meds for it, I live in the UK my friend was prescribed anti sickness meds for her morning sickness - which was nowhere near as bad as HG would be, I think it depends on the doctor and if they believe the woman is as bad as she claims maybe?

Kate CP - posted on 04/25/2011

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Esther: Aha! So THAT'S why I got gallbladder disease. I was wondering why it just popped up like that. Okay, that makes sense.

Kate CP - posted on 04/25/2011

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Part of having HG is the severe loss of weight. I was 25 pounds lighter on the day I delivered my daughter than when I got pregnant. And that was AFTER the successful use of anti-emetic treatments.

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Her severity must of been the full on Hg and i do think getting pregnant again is not the best choice for this lady.

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I know what the illness is.I had it all, i did not continue to lose the weight.There was talk about this from my doctor.I still drank water a lot despite it coming right back up, i didn't want to be hospitalized.I could eat nothing and food would often come back up in my throat and i got acid reflux.I would be bed bound most days but i had no other choice.If my life or the baby was in danger its a different story.I do feel for this mother.In my case it work out fine.From 24weeks i could eat and keep most down, although at times i could not.My case was not your average morning sickness.38weeks of this is not normal.lol.

Esther - posted on 04/25/2011

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Ashley & Veronique - I think you're kind of missing the point. This goes WAY beyond bad morning sickness. I still think that her getting pregnant again is reckless and I would have little understanding for her getting a third abortion, but this isn't your normal "bad morning sickness".

http://www.hyperemesis.org/hyperemesis-g...

Money quotes:

Hyperemesis gravidarum (HG) is a severe form of nausea and vomiting in pregnancy. It is generally described as unrelenting, excessive pregnancy-related nausea and/or vomiting that prevents adequate intake of food and fluids. If severe and/or inadequately treated, it is typically associated with:

- loss of greater than 5% of pre-pregnancy body weight (usually over 10%)
- dehydration and production of ketones
- nutritional deficiencies
- metabolic imbalances
- difficulty with daily activities

HG usually extends beyond the first trimester and may resolve by 21 weeks; however, it can last the entire pregnancy in less than half of these women. Complications of vomiting (e.g. gastric ulcers, esophageal bleeding, malnutrition, etc.) may also contribute to and worsen ongoing nausea.

Long term complications (often with vague, chronic symptomology) will likely occur without proper intervention in the early stages. Fortunately, there are usually few immediate, adverse effects of HG on the baby unless weight gain continues to be poor during the second half of pregnancy, or symptoms are severe and prolonged. Acute or chronic complications reported by women to the HER Foundation include gall bladder disease, tempero-mandibular joint disorders, depression, anxiety, difficulty with weight management, diabetes, motion sickness, and dental caries. Some just say they never have felt the same as before they were pregnant. Women with prolonged HG are also at greater risk for preterm labor, and pre-eclampsia.

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I really had bad morning sickness.Yes i actually vomited for the whole 39weeks.I still put my pregnancy weight(only symptom that was not common with hg)on and successfully finished college.I ran in and out during class but i had to get my qualification.

I refused any form of drugs.Despite being asked to take them,by my my work experience manager.I still got excellent results, even better than the other girls who were not pregnant etc.lol Most days i was out home in bed but i read up and showed up for my college exams.I forced myself to cope and i had to stay positive and hydrated or i would have to go to hospital.I relaxed as much as i could and rested.



I went through hell, some days being upset about being pregnant and blaming my boyfriend lol..but if you asked me would i do it again for her..yes in a heart beat.She was born 3mths after i finished college at 7lbs 70z and over 50cm long.One healthy baby girl.

I got pregnant second time around and god was good..lol..no morning sickness.That lady is crazy if you ask me.

Veronique - posted on 04/25/2011

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OMG! Now that's very disturbing. With both my pregnancies i had morning sickness ( i don't know why they call it that when it last all day ) for the first 3 months. I couldn't eat anything except tangerines. It was just awful but never have i taught to terminate my pregnancy because of it. I mean it's not forever so why not indure the vomiting and the really nasty feeling for a while even if it last for 9 months so what like i said no forever,

Amber - posted on 04/25/2011

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Oy. I had horrible morning sickness for my first 4 months and had to take a prescription, but it wasn't that extreme because it wasn't overbearing daily. I would have 1-2 days a week that I would have to take the meds because the vomiting wouldn't stop. I can't imagine going through that at a higher level more often.

It's miserable that she can't receive the medicine that she needs to help her. She needs support, not judgment. Hopefully staying with her sister will do it for her if she chooses to try again.

I personally don't think I would be trying if I knew I couldn't get the medicine I needed, but I've never been in that situation.

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It's not my business whether she tries for another pregnancy or not.

HG is a serious complication and there is no guarantee that she will have it with this one as well. Chances are she will but again, no guarantee. The pathetic thing is that here, in the US, most insurances force a mother to get to the point of hospitalization before they will cover Zofran or another anti-nausea drug. And then they dole them out like 10 pills are going to cover the 1s tri-mester. Hopped up antihistamines doesn't cut it with HG either. You'd think that they would look at history and save themselves the hospital fees...

Anyway, any of these moms may have better coverage, better support, more experience, etc. I don't believe in elective abortion but I'm not in their shoes and I don't know what drove them.

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I have not read the other posts, only the story. I have had HG with all of my pregnancies that made it past 8 weeks (I have frequent misscarriages). I have NEVER considered aborting! Doing my husband's vasectomy at home, by myself, with a rusty knife, while he is sleeping soundly and I am puking my guts out, Hell Yeah! As soon as we get the little blue line, we stratigicly place buckets everywhere, bedroom, bathroom, kitchen, living roon, the van, I mean everywhere! But.....
with that being said, it's not my uterus, not my baby. I think it is despicable for her to try again, but is it any different then me trying to conceive again knowing that I have an 80% chance of misscarrying? IDK. But again, I can't make someone else's decision that will effect thier lives unless I want others to make decisions that will effect my life and that is not an option!

Bonnie - posted on 04/25/2011

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Wow, I don't see why after being so sick twice, she would want to try again. If you have this problem twice, chances are you are going to have it again and again and again. I think it's just wishful thinking at this point.

I had really bad nausea for 3-4 months out of both my pregnancies which lasted most of the day, but I actually only threw up a total of maybe 3-4 times throughout my pregnancy. I can't imagine vomitting up to 40 times in one day.

Tara - posted on 04/25/2011

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I'm torn on this one, I really don't understand why they won't prescribe diclectin. Or why she doesn't just buy it online. It is a worthy and well tested drug, in fact the chemical make up is very similar to taking "benadryl and vitamin B 6" together. They know this works and they know there are no side effects to the baby or mother.
Why doesn't the UK offer this prescription?
I don't think that she should be vilified for making the choice that she did, but after the first time, I would think she would go into pregnancy more prepared, with more resources available to help her.
I understand HG, a friend had it so horribly she was in hospital for the weeks 7-11 of her pregnancy, at least once a week. She couldn't take diclectin because of a drug interaction with meds she was already on for an unrelated problem.
So she started to have a puff from a marijuana pipe at night before bed and in the morning before getting up. Never enough to get high but it worked better than anything she had tried. Not only was she not nauseous but she was hungry!
She told the midwife about it and she said "I knew that but I can't very well go around telling people to smoke dope now can I" lol
I think if it had been me, I wouldn't have gotten pregnant again if I thought I might have to terminate.
I would also be looking into all my options, not just those available in the UK, but all over the world. You can buy diclectin on line.
I hope this story forces the UK food and drug people to re-consider their stance on anti-nausea medications for pregnant women.

Ez - posted on 04/25/2011

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You know you have HG when you aren't throwing up yellow bile duct anymore, but green gall bladder fluid . . . . .**shivers**.

This was my Mum. And back then (I was born in 81, my brother in 84), the only anti-emetic available to her was IM Maxalon.

I honestly can't explain how lucky I feel to have escaped the HG curse in my family (my grandmother and aunt had it too, although not as bad as my mother).

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My friend has this at the moment, can't stop being sick but abortion has never entered her mind. She convinces herself that it will get better next week,or next month,and then she feels the baby move and thinks it is worth all the discomfort.
Why doesn't the woman in the article adopt?

April - posted on 04/25/2011

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What a horrible thing to experience. I really feel for her. I can't imagine wanting a child so bad and having no choice but to abort it because of this sickness? That right there shows just how bad HG is. I can't judge her at all because i have no idea what she went through. I hope that she gets the strength to go through with her pregnancy if she does get pregnant again.

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I think what she is doing is reckless; for herself, her living children and obviously for her potential unborn child. She said that she got through it the first time(s) because of her parents so she knew what she was in for. I think if she was going to attempt this again, she should have been better prepared. She should have once again lined up support (like her parents), her support should have been well prepared for what to expect and so should her doctors. Also, given her history I find it implausible that she would not have been able to find a doctor willing to prescribe her medication that is widely accepted in other parts of the world. I understand that it is something they are reluctant to prescribe in the UK but if the alternative is an abortion then trying to protect the foetus by not prescribing anything makes little sense. Therefore I feel that if she does this again she should find herself a doctor willing to work with her first, then make sure her sister (and other supporters) really understands all the ins and outs of this condition and only then go into it prepared to tough out some serious agony. Unless it's her life (literally) or the baby's I would have little respect for her if she ended up with yet another abortion.

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wow that horrible poor woman. She has every right to try agian for another baby. She can only have hope that things might be bette ror that she might be able to stickit out. Normally I would never condone abortion but this is special circumstance. I dont think any of us could udnestand what she went thorugh, but just reading it makes me cringe. Poor poor woman. She shoudlnt be judged for this. We dont know the pain she experienced. I cant even begin to imagine

Ive reqad a couple of the other responses, I can see she does know what shes getting into but I can see sh seems to feel such tremendous guilt each time she has aborted, but has obviously just felt it was the only way out. If I was in the situation, Im not sure I could bring myself to abort, but I also cant imagine experiencing this for 9 months

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You know you have HG when you aren't throwing up yellow bile duct anymore, but green gall bladder fluid . . . . .**shivers**. Without drugs I would NEVER have gone through that again.

Mrs. - posted on 04/24/2011

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Diclectin saved me the first couple months. I didn't know it wasn't available in the UK. I really works with little side effects.

I feel for her. That sounds like some serious morning sickness. Awful anyway you look at it.

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No...Rachel...you don't get it. HG is NOT like morning sickness at all. NOTHING helps. Not cinnamon, not ginger, no pepto, not cola...NOTHING.

Have you ever been lying on the floor of your bathroom, sobbing while your stomach cramps AGAIN and then you drive heave? And then you finally manage to get something up and its, yup, stomach bile. So now your esophogus is on fire, your stomach hurts, you can't breathe, your whole body hurts, you're starving, and you're exhausted.

Have you ever fallen asleep in-between heaves? I have! It's not fun. It's not something that any one can understand until they've experienced it themselves.

I know this woman's pain...I know Tracey's pain. It's something that most people don't understand. I was mocked by everyone when I had HG. My midwife didn't fuckin' believe me (I switched providers), my boss actually said to me "If you couldn't handle being pregnant you shouldn't have gotten pregnant", my husband felt totally helpless because he couldn't do anything for me...it was horrible. Nobody believes that it's that bad...HG has KILLED women before. Until you've had it you have NO IDEA what kind of torture and agony it is.

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If she already knows that she will have extreme morning sickness and still decides to try and get pregnant, she should do what she can to deal with it. I believe abortion is murder, so to try to get pregnant knowing that she may abort ANOTHER baby... it's wrong.

There are many things that can help morning sickness. Most cases are caused by the drop in blood sugar, so eating frequently helps. Cinnamon is also good at keeping the blood sugar level. When I was pregnant, I hardly had any morning sickness. I believe this is due to my diet. I am vegetarian and try to eat whole foods as much as possible. The whole foods take longer to digest, which means the blood sugar levels are more regular, not to mention it's just healthier!

Thanks for posting this question.

Babies are meant to be loved and cared for. If you are just going to kill them, don't get pregnant.

Ok, so I just looked up the condition. It can lead to serious complications for both the mother and the baby. To me, if I knew this was going to happen every time I was pregnant, I wouldn't get pregnant. It's a beautiful thing to carry and birth one's own baby, but there are also so many children in the world who don't have parents and need loving people to care for them. Don't make more, only to kill them. It's a sad thing to have this condition. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. But if you make a choice, then can't stick with it, even through the tough times, don't play around with it again. Lives are at stake here.

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I think she's empty-headed and heartless. I wish that at any woman's second abortion, her tubes would be tied.

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