food addatives and naughty kids....

Sal - posted on 04/01/2011 ( 21 moms have responded )

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Listening to a conversation today (there was a news report about the labeling of atrificail colours and banning some altogether) where it was put that there is little if any evidence for the link between food addatives and an increase is child behavioural issues...there was a study in the uk but there are doubts in the method they used to test the children (i don;t know what i think of this myself, i leaning to the yes there are some problems but not nearly the amount that are credited to it) what i was wondering is this new way of thinking, if our kids are naughty it isn;t my parenting habbits, it is the food, they have adhd, too much hidden sugar, the schools are employing bad teacher....and the excuses go on and on....
when does it become our fault or when do we have to face fact that the way kids turn out is our problem.... we do time outs and not we don;t smack, kids are over TV'd they play playstation and get to rule the kitchen and mums pander to they whims, they are spolit and when they don;t get their own way they are naughty and then we blame anything but ourself....

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~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/01/2011

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I did a post on this exact thing a while back. I will try to find my references again, but I certainly do believe that the food our children ingest are directly linked to child behaviour issues such as add/adhd, and also some cancers. I would certainly not go so far as to blame all child behaviour issues with this, but diet is essential to healthy minds and bodies.

Nikki - posted on 04/01/2011

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I disagree, with everything you have just said.

For starters children aren't naughty, they display negative behaviours at times which can be a result of diet, lack of sleep, over stimulation, under stimulation and medical conditions to name a few. It is a parents responsibility however to ensure our children get a good night's sleep, eat well and have consistent behavioural strategies in place.

They are not excuses, they are the parents responsibility (excluding medical conditions) so I don't understand where you are getting the whole parents don't take responsibility thing from?

I don't want food additives and artificial colourings in my daughters food if I can possibly help it. I think the should be labelled or banned because they are unnecessary.

I think you are generalising a hell of a lot in your post. Parents are well aware that their actions impact their children's behaviour, quite often these parents feel powerless and unsure about what they need to do when a behaviour becomes out of control. I think it's insensitive to say parents blame everything but themselves, it's so far from the truth, you don't know how parents in these situations feel.

Rosie - posted on 04/01/2011

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i disagree. :)
while i do think some kids are "bad" because of lack of parenting, there are such things as ADHD, food DOES have to much hidden sugar, schools DO employ HORRENDOUS teachers (if you are my friend on facebook you'll know exactly what i'm talking about), AND food addatives are completely unnecessary, and help aid in the epidemic of obesity and unhealthy children.
i'd also like to point out that study after study proves that children that are smacked are more aggresive. NOT better behaved.

Amy - posted on 04/01/2011

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There are a multitude of things that affect attitude and health, and therefore behavior. What we eat, how we act, television [yes, i really believe television aids poor behavior -even "educational" tv], and what's going on in the child's world.

It's not fair to blame just one thing and make it the scapegoat, but you can't just cut out dyes yet have kid zone out on tv, eat other junk, and keep parenting styles that let child "rule".

when my daughter acts crazy - its usually on preschool days. Yep, sugary snacks and red dye in the kool-aid contributes. But also the excitement of school and activity play a role in a more 'crazy' little girl. That's the only time she gets "junk" and yes, we can tell. Sleep habits even change for her if we watch a movie on friday night and she eats just two twizzlers. That's it and you can tell a difference.

Kate CP - posted on 04/01/2011

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Well, Sal, sometimes it's NOT our fault for our child's "issues". Obviously if you have a child without any special needs or issues and you still let them run amok then yes, that's the parents' fault. But there IS such a thing as ADHD, autism, Asperger's, and other developmental disorders. You can't pin every behavior "problem" on the parent just like you can't pin them on a developmental disorder.

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Sal - posted on 04/01/2011

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you have all almost proved my point, that yes people are looking for something other than parenting to excuse bad behaviour....personally i think that mums who are on this site are responsible and do look at a wide variety of parenting methods, do activaly look into diets and other methods to help with child hood issue (how could you not consider them when weekly they are discussed by people with broad opinions) but you ladies aren't really even accepting that our parenting methods are the biggest impact on our kids, what i was saying is that we are so happy to look for someone/something to blame when the wheels fall off, even if our kids have food issue isn;t it up to us to teach them how to behave in an acceptable way, is it the old lady your child is rude to at the supermarket because he had a packet of chezzels- no, is it the teachers who gets kicked by a student responisbility that our kids go to school tired, hungry, lunch box full of sugar, and has never been taught thay have to sit down quietly sometimes and listen, no it isn't,
when my som started school every mum of a kid who got into regular trouble touted adhd and yes some of them did have genuine cases, but not all of them, the ones who were told by the drs that the child didn;t suffer from it, then went onto the food addatives, then put the kid into councelling, but time and time again rejected invitations to go to parenting workshops offered by the school or the family relationship centre, they changed schools, bought vitamins, specail food, but never do they think to change them selves.....

Amy - posted on 04/01/2011

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k. whew. I understand now. I'm thinking with pregnancy insomnia I should NOT get on DM! lol.



I'm on the same page now. That makes total sense! I thought you were directly disagreeing with my that though foods play a role, it's not the whole picture. See, clarification never hurts. Thanks! :)

Rosie - posted on 04/01/2011

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are you talking to me? i'll answer anyway. :) lol!

in the OP she stated that "we do timeouts and not, we don't smack, kids are over TV'd..."
to me that's saying that kids who aren't smacked are little hellions. when in actuality, in my experience, and in studies that have been done on this, the opposite is true.

and as for the whole organic food thing. NO, i am definitely not saying that eating organic will rid your children of these problems, and all kids who eat organic food are little angels with perfect parents who love them more, lol. i'm simply stating that yes, i believe that SOME issues in SOME kids are caused by food additives.
for me personally, the thought of food additives is really starting to creep me out, and i'm trying my damndest to get rid of them in our diets. it's hard as hell though, and i find that really frustrating.
as for TV, and watching to much, i believe it does cause behavioral issues in some kids. just as i believe other unnecessary things, like food additives, can cause behavioral issues sometimes.:)

Amy - posted on 04/01/2011

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So, you think if you eat totally organic/additive free foods but sit a kid in front of TV for hours that there won't be behavioral issues?

And who said getting smacked makes good kids? I missed that somewhere.

Amanda - posted on 04/01/2011

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Foods with addatives, also have many other processed crap in it. I know when my son has ate something out of a box, or junk. Does he get naughty? No, but he does get hyper, and losses his little attention span he has.

But I understand what you are talking about, for example I bought my nephew a freezy a few weeks ago, his mother told me not to get him any freezy with red dye in it because he gets a "reaction", well I bought him a white freezy, and he still got a "reaction" why? Because it isnt the dye its the SUGAR. I truelly believe with proper diet and sleep many "bad" kids would improve greatly with their behaviours. Unfor many parents claim its the red dye, but really dont notice that its a lot of diet factors, not just red dye.

Jenn - posted on 04/01/2011

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Just thought I better clarify that I do think there are all kinds of outside factors that can affect a person's health and behaviour, but I just have seen a lot of cases where I see lazy parenting (not following through with what they say, not giving the child their full attention when attempting to communicate, etc.), and then they turn around and ask "What's wrong with my kid?" "Why doesn't my kid listen to me?" "I've tried everything, nothing works." Yet the child has no problem behaving for other people. Hmmm....

Minnie - posted on 04/01/2011

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Ditto Nikki. FD &C Red 40 makes me lose my vision, get dizzy, and makes my heart beat like crazy.

It's no fake what it could do to a little person a quarter my size.

ME - posted on 04/01/2011

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My son also reacts to food additives and dyes. We cannot have them in our home, and I have demanded that his grandmother not serve them to him either (or that she offer him options that do not contain them, if she is serving something like that to other people). I AM one of these parents. I don't simply blame other things for my sons behaviors; I've worked tirelessly for three years to figure it out. I blamed myself mercilessly for not being smart enough to figure it out right away. When I read this information several months ago, it was like a light bulb went off. We rarely ate junk food anyway (I am a vegetarian, and usually buy organic), but it was obvious to me after reading these studies that his behavior was worse when he was eating chemically altered food.

Jenn - posted on 04/01/2011

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I think a lot of times parents DO use anything and everything as an excuse for their poor parenting choices.

Nikki - posted on 04/01/2011

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I feel like I am missing your point Sal, it's late and I am tired, I will get back to this one in the morning.

Sal - posted on 04/01/2011

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umm nikki i wasn't arguing either case, i did say that i thought that there were issues with food addatives but the issue is blamed (as is adhd, the way a few years ago it was single mums and before that broken home) for far more than it deeserves, it really was a question of when do we have to step up as parents and say issues aside the buck stop here....teaching kids that bad behaviour isn;t their fault doesn;t help anyone, my son was sensitive to the yellow crap in overly processed food, we ate them so rarely that i could see a real change in his behaviour when he had them, one day he was acting up (or being naughty) and i told him to stop...he replyed, "mum isn;t not my fault marie (his mates mum) gave me cheezels" he thought that he had a free supid pass, and think that type of thing happen a lot, i also find that if you can find someone or something to blame why would you take the responsibility for them...

Nikki - posted on 04/01/2011

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Yeah I still don't agree, you are talking about a very small minority. If you are from a police family you are likely to experience the worse end of the scale.

I suppose it comes down to life experience, you have had negative experiences so you make the assumption that a lot of parents act this way.

My experiences are very different, I have spent a large part of my career assisting parents with behaviour problems. Yes some parents may try to talk the problem down and find excuses when talking to others, but on the inside they feel hopeless and defeated, it's a coping mechanism. It doesn't mean they are not trying to help the situation and find solutions.

Jodi - posted on 04/01/2011

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I disagree too. We have one who reacts to ANY red or orange/yellow food colouring to a point that he is bouncing off walls. The other kids are fine, but not him. But I DO agree that it is our responsibility as parents, now that we recognise this, that we should restrict his diet. The same as we were careful with our daughter's diet when certain additives caused her eczema and nappy rash. We should be accountable for those issues if we have a means of preventing them.



I'd also like to agree with Nikki in that I am not a fan of calling children "naughty". They are not naughty children, they just behave negatively. I prefer to focus on the fact that the *behaviour* is naughty, not the *child*.

Sal - posted on 04/01/2011

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yes it was quiet a general discussion, that was kind of the point i wanted to get an open type of discussion going...".They are not excuses, they are the parents responsibility (excluding medical conditions) so I don't understand where you are getting the whole parents don't take responsibility thing from? " hmmm from life and seeing 15 years of being a mum and the 10 years of kids in my sons class at school, and knowing that the kids that are in trouble do have medical problems sometimes, but not always, and i know a lot of kids who have been treated for problems they didn;t have put on restrictive diets, and nothing changes behaviour wise, i have a nephew whos mum blames food addatives for her sons behaviour, took him off everything, the drs suggested she done a parenting course to see some new techniques to deal with him, she said no....blames the food, he is still getting into heaps of trouble, always on time outs it is the teachers fault, got him glasses that some one suggested but she later found out had no prescription in them (and she thought that they done wonders) but refuses to go to the classes as it isn;t her fault, so now she has got a job and puts him in before and after school care 5 days a week, and openly admits it is so he isn;t at home, because she can;t cope at home with him.... i don't want my kids to eat loads of atifical stuff either and here in aus we have them labled so we can manage them...and for the most part parents do take responsibility especially if their kids are going great....but once there is behaviour problems see them run to the adhd and food addatives.....
ohh and being a police family in a small town i do know and see a lot of families who kids have behavioural problems and see the judge blame and push for parenting courses and councelling as they see that is where the issues are comming from. medical issues and food isses asside they still see parenting as a problem

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