Girl, 5, 'drowned toddler in bath'

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Jodi - posted on 06/09/2011

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Ladies, the article hasn't suggested the 16 year old was mentally handicapped. It referred to it as a mental disability. This can include all sorts of things, including anxiety, depression, OCD, etc. They all fall under the label of mental disabilities, and they don't necessarily mean they are not quite capable of looking after a child. So really, until anyone knows the EXTENT of those mental disabilities, who really knows what happened or who should be to blame, or whether it was, indeed, some freak accident.

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Jodi - posted on 06/10/2011

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Maybe the parents had bathed the kids and left the water in the tub. We used to do that as kids, because we had water shortages where I lived, so we'd leave the water in the bath until it cooled, and then use it on the garden. There are various reasons to leave the bathwater in the the bath.



Not that I'm defending anyone, but just saying it could have been a very innocent situation and that it is possible the 5 year old DID do it. I don't believe she truly understood the consequences though. Kids that age kind of know about death, but they don't generally understand the permanency or the TRUE nature of death.

Christina - posted on 06/10/2011

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Why was the bath tub already full of water? This 5yr old is going to have a lot of mental and emotional issues growing up now.

Kellie - posted on 06/10/2011

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she didn't fill the bath with water, the bath already just happened to be full of water.

Becky - posted on 06/10/2011

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I may have been wrong to bring up the caregiver's age and mental disability, however, the fact that she was oblivious enough that a 5 year old could fill a bathtub with water and drag a noisy 18 month old up there and drown him, does not say much for her babysitting abilities! If I heard water running in my house, I'd be checking out the source immediately!

Mommy - posted on 06/10/2011

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Wow, what an awful story. Obviously the 16 year old, disabled or not, was not capable of caring for those small children. I know accidents happen, but there were just too many things wrong with this picture. A bath tub full of water, two small children left unattended, other small children in the house, and teenager overseeing it all, and no one to really take accountability. So sad.

And as far as the 5 year olds intent, she doesn't understand the finality of death. Her brain isn't yet able to fully concpetualize abstract thought, which is what death is. It's not concrete, because it can't be seen or felt (physically) by a child, so she doesn't really understand what she has done.

Cynthia - posted on 06/10/2011

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this reminds my of my now 6 year old when he was 5 he came running out of the bath room screaming 'momma i just drowned myself." i just laughed and told him no you didn't son. get back in the tub and get that soap off your head." it occurred to me that he didn't realize that drowned = death. I don't know what happened to my baby that day in the tub and i never thought about it again until right now. i don't think a 5 year old can understand the idea that you can drown someone if you don't want them to be loud. and they will die. i don't think she knew he would die. this is a sad story but to me it does not add up

Kellie - posted on 06/09/2011

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If they can determine she understood her actions and what the outcome of her actions would be, then who knows maybe they can Chelsey.

Do you remember the case of little Jamie Bulger in England? his murderers were 10 years old when they lured him away from his mother, tortured him, then threw him on the railway tracks to be finished off by a train.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_J...

I guess my point is, while we will never know what happened exactly, we will also never know exactly what this 5 year old is/was capable of doing or understanding. That is why I said I HOPE she was coached, because who really wants to believe a 5 year old is capable of something like this?

Nicole - posted on 06/09/2011

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I bet that's what the police are trying to do, too. I didn't mean that her age was an issue, in general, just maybe an issue for THIS teen. I'm sure we'll know more once the investigation is completed. And I, like Lacye, either misread or didn't differentiate between disability and handicap in the initial read. I usually don't miss that kind of stuff since I have history of mental illness/disability and it doesn't affect whether I can be a good mother or not. Especially if I am aware of it and seeking treatment when needed. ;o)

Lacye - posted on 06/09/2011

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I think they mentioned it because she was the authority figure there at that particular time. I feel so bad for the father though. He was on his way to pick up the child when it happened.

Jodi - posted on 06/09/2011

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And I am not sure why the polic mentioned the disability, but chances are everyone is looking for someone to blame right now :\ That is possibly the avenue they are currently investigating.

Jodi - posted on 06/09/2011

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Did you never baby sit when you were a teen? I used to be left in charge of my 4 brothers, and occasionally an extra at that age. Perhaps it was more than THIS teenager could handle, but generally speaking, I don't see her age as an issue.

Nicole - posted on 06/09/2011

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Yeah, that's true. BUT, the article did say that there were these two children and "several others" left in the care of the 16 year old and while I'm not against a teenager babysitting other children, I do wonder if 4 or more small children were more than this teenager could handle. Otherwise, why would the police have mentioned the disability to begin with? I do hope for all involved that this was just that, a freak accident.

Nicole - posted on 06/09/2011

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IF she's telling the truth, I think she did it exactly the way she explained. Not because she had ill-intent, but I can understand her five year old rationale. In her mind, she wanted the baby to be quiet and thought if she put his head in water, he'd hush. Just like another child accidentally smothering another by placing a pillow over their head to get them to be quiet. IF this actually happened the way the 5 year old explained, this was a tragedy that girl will ALWAYS carry with her. And why? Why does this girl now have to carry this burden and why won't this boy see his second birthday? Because there were several kids who relied on their parents/caregivers to provide them a safe environment and their caregivers dropped the ball. There should have been an adult in that house!!! The likelihood of this happening had there been a responsible adult caring for these kids would have been greatly reduced.

Becky - posted on 06/09/2011

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Wow, no matter what actually happened, what a horrible, tragic story! That poor baby! And this little girl was either coached/is covering for someone, or she has some serious issues. I feel for the parents, but I do feel they share some of the blame for leaving their toddler alone with a mentally handicapped teenager too.

Lacye - posted on 06/09/2011

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She was coached. There is no way she just so happened to come up on a tub full of water. And why were the 2 kids left at home alone with a mentally handicapped 16 year old. Really. That is just asking for something to happen. Either somebody else did it to this child and the little girl was told to say she did it or it really was an accident and the little girl is making it up that she did it.

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