Girl becomes Mum at 10

Kellie - posted on 11/11/2011 ( 141 moms have responded )

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http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8373232...





There is so much wrong with this I don't even know where to start.



1. It is illegal to have an abortion unless the woman/child can prove she was raped? some women can't even prove this after a lengthy trial let alone in time to terminate an unwanted pregnancy after some asshole has violated her.



2. The legal age of concent is 12?! Wtf! Yes yes different culture blah blah, but 12? I suppose I should be grateful there is a consenting age at all.



3. She's 10. That poor child :(

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Becky - posted on 11/14/2011

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So then, if someone asks my 3 year old if he wants to have sex and he says yes, it's not rape? Even though he doesn't even know what sex is? Because that's essentially what you're saying, Sharlene. "It's about saying yes or no, not about age." The reason countries set an age of consent is because you cannot legally consent to something you do not understand. My 3 year old cannot consent to sex because he doesn't know what sex is! A 10 year old is legally considered to be unable to consent to sex because they are considered to be too young to understand and to deal with the ramifications of having sex. A 10 year old likely understands very little about pregnancy, abortion, and STD's. One of the articles posted above outlines the very serious physical risks of pregnancy for such a young child. A body that has not yet reached physical maturity could be badly damaged by sex.
The article doesn't have to say she was raped. If she was below the legal age of consent, then legally, she was raped. Why is that so hard to understand?

Jodi - posted on 11/14/2011

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Someone hold me back from my brick wall, please.

***why didn't she say something 10 weeks ago....mutter mutter......because of course 10 year olds really understand what just happened to them.....mutter mutter.....heck she probably didn't even realise she was fucking pregnant for a long time.....mutter mutter BECAUSE SHE IS FUCKING TEN!!!!****

Anyway, I'm out. You can't debate stupid.

Jodi - posted on 11/14/2011

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I am still blown away by comparing consenting to sex with consenting to go to the park :\

Stifler's - posted on 11/14/2011

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I think we're allowed to pass judgment on someone who had sex with a 10 year old. Regardless of whether she said yes or no.

Ez - posted on 11/12/2011

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I can believe someone would actually try to argue that a 10yo has a responsibility to continue with a pregnancy that was the product of statutory rape (at the least).

That is a child. Who has now undergone major abdominal surgery that will have who knows what sort of impact on her future fertility.

The story is unbelievably sad. The fact someone could read this and STILL push the pro-life BS is beyond me.

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Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

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Ok Jodi,so what is the difference between these charges?
-Assault
-Assault & Battery
-Assault & Robbery
-Malicious Assault
-Assault with intent
I'll tell you the difference,they are different gradings,therefore statutory rape,and rape are different gradings......

Kellie - posted on 11/14/2011

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I'll lock this one then. I was hoping to avoid it because of one person but I give up.

Hope - posted on 11/14/2011

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Hey girls since that thread has gone a bit off track I have started another to get the true issues back on track.

Kellie - posted on 11/14/2011

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Mexico on the whole needs a good clean up Hope. In regards to this and all the other women and children who go through this every day it is just so very sad and heartbreaking for them. They should be entitled to the rights and freedoms that we enjoy everyday.

Jodi - posted on 11/14/2011

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Just one last comment on the *statutory rape* vs *rape* thing. Different jurisdictions actually call it different things. Following are some of the terms which are used to explain or describe statutory rape:

Rape of a child
Sexual assault
Corruption of a minor
Carnal knowledge of a minor

So basically, it is RAPE. RAPE of a child.

The ONLY difference between the two is that force is *generally* not involved in statutory rape, but other coercive methods will be. What is your definition of *forced*. Physical force? Sometimes that is also used in statutory rape. Drugs? Ditto. Coercion? Ditto.

So the only REAL definitive difference? Age of the victim.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

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I'm sure Shannen you'll find it has been proved.. He is the father and i'd be glad to post more links for you:-)

Hope - posted on 11/14/2011

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The more and more research I do, the more and more I feel for both the victim and her family. Even if they wanted to charge the father of this baby with rape, they had little or no chance of a conviction. Even though there is a law in place allow rape victims to have an abortion the chance you have that the authorities and the health care works are going to take you serious and do something about it is little to none. As far as I can see the family had 3 options 1. Go to the authorities, face mockery and get no solution 2. Go and get a back yard abortion and have a high risk of there daughter dying because they would be able to go get professional medical help without getting a jail sentence or 3. Allow there daughter to came the baby and have access to medical. If you were that girl or that girls parents what path would you choose. Remembering you are not in the USA, Australia or any other country were women are treated as equals.

Kellie - posted on 11/14/2011

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"The Sun did not say whether any tests were conducted to prove the boy's paternity."

Prove he's the father.

Now back on track with the OP please or start your own thread Sharlene.

Ez - posted on 11/14/2011

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That boy is 13, which would make him over the age of consent in Mexico.

Anyway, this argument if friggin stupid. Why anyone would want to minimize this situation is beyond me.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

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Jodi yes improbable,but not impossible.How many cases of a 10yr old girl getting pregnant can you find on the internet?

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

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I'm glad you finally came to your senses Jodi. I hope you have more luck with that brick wall.

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Sharlene be a darl for me and do some research for me so you can show me how many cases there are of kids under 12 getting each other pregnant, Would ya?

Jodi - posted on 11/14/2011

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Sharlene, as I have already explained, it is highly improbable that a boy under the age of 12 was actually physically capable of impregnating her. Perhaps some biology would also be in order.

Jodi - posted on 11/14/2011

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And Sharlene, can I ask where you obtained your legal degree? Just curious.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

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Well if he was under the age of legal consent then he is not an adult,but a minor also. By your last post.

Hope - posted on 11/14/2011

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I think if we are going to debate this topic we need to start understanding the culture of the country that this happened in. This debate goes much deeper then a 10 year old girl having a baby. Ladies read some of the links I have put up and start to understand the culture.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

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Jodi you seriously need to read more about the laws and regulations.Statutory rape is different to rape,as slight as it might seem,there is a difference.

Jodi - posted on 11/14/2011

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Why are you so intent on this difference?

Because there isn't. It is all rape. Period. Non-consensual sex is rape. A child of 10 can't give consent for sex because they do not understand enough to be able to consent.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

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Jodi that was a tongue twister,but i sort of got your point.But the point is there is no mention of date rape drugs,there is no mention of consent,there is no mention of rape at all.If she was raped why didn't she say something 32weeks ago?There is more to this than you all make it out to be,think about it.......

Kellie - posted on 11/14/2011

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That's appalling but not surprising Hope.

"As a result, many rape victims seek to resolve their situation by resorting to back-alley abortions that endanger their lives and health. Underage girls raped by their fathers or other family members often find themselves with no other alternative than to carry the imposed pregnancy to term".

This is why I will always be pro choice and will always always advocate and fight for those seeking to terminate their pregnancy.

Hope - posted on 11/14/2011

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I think if we are going to debate this topic we need to start understanding the culture of the country that this happened in. This debate goes much deeper then a 10 year old girl having a baby. Ladies read some of the links I have put up and start to understand the culture.

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Lets get technical then Sharlene.

The term statutory rape generally refers to sex between an adult and a sexually mature minor past the age of puberty. Sexual relations with a prepubescent child, generically called "child molestation," is typically treated as a more serious crime. This girl was 10 and I doubt she was past puberty yet.

Sneaky - posted on 11/14/2011

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That's Ok Sharlene, I get the feeling that a lot of things don't make sense to you.

The point I was making - just because YOU can not imagine a scenario (like a drugged women consenting to sex because she is so high she thinks she is with her boyfriend), doesn't mean that it does not happen.

Just because you CAN see the possibility of a 10 year old having consenting sex with another 10 year old, doesn't mean that it happened in this situation and it does not change the legal definition of rape.

Ez - posted on 11/14/2011

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There may be a difference in sentencing, but not with the issue of consent. In either situation, the victim is identified as either being unwilling or unable to give consent. Which has been explained 7416 times already.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

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I agree it's statutory rape,not rape. As long as you are aware that there is a difference...

Jodi - posted on 11/14/2011

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Sharlene, statutory rape IS rape, because legally the victim cannot consent because they lack the knowledge or understanding to do so. It is rape. It is also rape, as others have said, if a woman has *consensual* sex while under the influence of a date rape drug. It is actually non-consensual, because the person giving the *consent* is incapable of giving consent. Thus rape.



Statutory rape = rape.

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"But Tracey,if she doesn't remember anything then she wouldn't say YES...Think about it."

Sharlene you said this, Do you really believe that just because the woman might not remember means she wouldn't say yes?

Sneaky - posted on 11/14/2011

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OK - so everyone can agree that it was 'statutory' rape then??? Problem solved.

Ez - posted on 11/14/2011

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Statutory rape generally applies to teenagers, not 10yo little girls.

I can't believe this conversation is even happening. This is a 10yo victim.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

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Jodi thank you,you made my point. It is STATUTORY RAPE,not RAPE as i've tried saying all along. As i said earlier it is still immoral and it is still wrong,but some people need to establish the difference between statutory rape,and rape. I rest my case........

Sneaky - posted on 11/14/2011

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OMG!!!! So just because your personal experience is that YOU do not say or do things you do not remember while under the influence (either of alcohol or drugs), that means everyone else on the planet is the same as you?????

WOW!

Jodi - posted on 11/14/2011

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And you are welcome Sharlene, now all we need is for you to make logical comparisons and we are in business with a real debate.

Kellie - posted on 11/14/2011

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Statutory Rape ONLY if she consented like you are so sure she did.

Rape if she didn't.

I highly doubt she consented.

Jodi - posted on 11/14/2011

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It doesn't matter whether the girl said she was raped. The fact is, as has been explained several times, she was not the age of consent, and therefore, it is MOST PROBABLY statutory rape. It is highly improbably that the father is a boy the same age because boys that age GENERALLY are not producing active sperm.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

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I disagree Erin... By your terminology of the situation,by law it is considered STATUTORY RAPE,not RAPE.. There is a difference between the 2,and it's about 20years in prison longer.

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Just because she doesn't remember doesn't mean she didn't say anything. I know I've said things when I was younger that I didn't remember at the time. So again your logic is off not Tracey's.

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