Have state and federal government gone to far?

Amy - posted on 02/15/2012 ( 38 moms have responded )

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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/n-c-food...



A girl in North Carolina had her lunch that she brought from home confiscated because it didn't meet the standards set by the state. A food inspector instead required the girl to take a school lunch.



Do states have the right to go through your child's lunch bag that you pack from home? Do you feel that they should have this much say in what your kid eats for lunch?



I know personally if this ever happened I would have to waste money every day by packing items that my son wouldn't eat. He doesn't drink milk or eat yogurt so I would be lited to packing cheese everyday, and I don't offer him fruit at meals because otherwise that's all he'll eat. He is underweight and I constantly have to tell him to eat at home if I sent him to school with that much food I would end up throwing the majority of it away everyday! I understand the school must offer a balanced meal but do you think you should have to provide a milk, grain, and two servings of fruit or vegetables for their lunch?



Don't mind the typing below I'm doing this on my phone and went to edit something but can't scroll down! :). I'll edit it when I get on my laptop tonight!





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Stifler's - posted on 02/16/2012

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Exactly Megan some people reckon red meat is bad, some don't eat grains or dairy, some don't believe potatoes are a vegetable. Healthy food is open to interpretation for me.

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No, Obamacare is in no way related to or working towards universal healthcare. Basically, it just says we all have to have insurance, and insurance companies will not be able to refuse coverage. That said, there is nothing to keep them from charging higher premiums and limiting those with pre-existing conditions to certain "high-risk" pool plans. There is a provision that says the high-risk policies cannot exceed a certain percentage of the regular policies, but insurers are planning to simply raise the cost of regular policies to make up for that.



Personally, I'd like to do away with health insurance completely, require a 15% hike in income tax (still less than most Americans spend on healthcare and insurance each year) and open the Medicaid program to all income brackets. The Medicaid program is already in place and working well for those who use it (except that it is not profiting, but with the additional tax, that would be remedied).

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/16/2012

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I posted this on the welcome page, but here's pretty much what I said in short form:



I would be quite angry with the school officials if this did happen. How do these people know that this child doesn't have allergies to certain things or a religious conviction that would prohibit eatting something that had touched pork? It was a bag of potato chips ffs! Not a Twinkie or a Swiss roll! And everything else in that lunch was healthy.



If this had happened at my daughter's school last year I would've been coming for lunch a lot more often and bringing my daughter's lunch right to her lunch table.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/20/2012

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Not really. Just health care reform from what I've been hearing. UHC would be a better alternative though and the US can afford it. But there's too much whining and people such as that poster who believe that it would be the downfall of the country. However I go by what I've noticed here in Canada- the quality of life seems better here because Canadians unlike Americans don't worry about going broke when they go to a doctor or a clinic to get looked at.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/20/2012

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I'd go with what Emma says.



Heather, in Denmark citizens are given incentives to join health clubs and stay active by their government. Here in Canada (where we have UHC) doctors are given incentives to get their patients to stop smoking (if my FIL ever goes to a walk in clinic and a doctor there can get him to stop smoking, I believe he or she should be given a Nobel prize). But we're still allowed to do what we wish with our bodies. The same as in other countries with UHC.



No one is being banned from smoking or eatting junk food in the US (my family still lives there) They're just being encouraged to take better care of themselves rather than just eat junk all the time. It's just sad that many Americans instead of doing it for themselves have to be encouraged to do so.



I'm tempted to say something about tin foil hats, but that may verge on THUMPS.

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♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/21/2012

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At my daughter's school the teacher will tell them they have to eat whatever is healthy for their morning snack (she's in grade 1) then lunch is however they want to eat it.



At her old school they had Wendy's on Mondays and a local Pizza place on Wednesdays. We did pizza, but we never did Wendys.



Kelly, we need a new Health care thread on here. I've been having debates with other Americans about UHC recently and I have an urge to try it again. And petition Canada to adopt Scotland's UHC because it's better.

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Btw, back on topic, I apparently didn't read the article well before I posted the first time--her lunch was fine, so yes, I do think they over-stepped and I'd be pissed.



That said, some mom's do send crap for lunch, so I do see the need for guidelines, but I think they were being far to strict here.

Stifler's - posted on 02/20/2012

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isn't "obamacare" working towards a universal health system anyway?

Heather - posted on 02/20/2012

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I have to ask that we as Americans be more aware of what our government is taking from us while they hold the "shiny key" of subsidized USDA food programs and other social programs like this. I think the idea is wonderful but human nature is the powerful get powerful my manipulation of the mass population and by the time we start questioning them... It's too little, too late!!!!



Obama care will start with "preventive care" and ban you from smoking, eating food you like, ect. by saying obstain or we will charge you an additional charge for your health care... OR drop you from care completely!!! Don't believe it?? Look at Oregon's state workers state run health care. If you have a waist size over 35-36 inches as a female.. You are required to join a weight loss program or opt out this year for $35. What will it cost next year? Will we be offered health care? Ummm there are some females that at ideal weight.. 35 inches is too big. What happened to our right not to look like the overly thin models that have eating disorders and consequently MORE health and mental illness..



I'm asking ..... PLEASE wake up... OUR government is taking away our rights!!!!!!! All in the name is assisting us.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/17/2012

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I just fed my 7 year old and my husband Cinnamon Toast Crunch with skim milk and jokingly told her she could have cake for breakfast- hey you have eggs and a grain in there right? Maybe the Canadian agriculture should come after me now too eh?

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I think that's ridiculous. I understand only providing healthy options for purchase, but to police kids lunches from home is ridiculous. Not everyone is on the same income level or has the same time availabilities and it's just stupid. If it were my child I would be making a meeting with the school to discuss the stupidity of the entire thing

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/16/2012

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Emma that's true. We don't eat a lot of organic produce and we eat a lot of grains here in my home. Many of you may not even consider my family healthy eatters in the first place because we do have red meat and at times processed foods. But we do everything in moderation. This of course includes eatting heathy foods and sometimes even juice and soda. If I learned one thing from hearing my dad talk about him and his brother sneaking Twinkies into their tree house because their mom forced them to be on a strict Vegan diet, it's that kids are going to put things in their mouths someday. And you may as well teach them to do snack foods in moderation or they'll gorge when they become adults.



I will say something though about the chicken nuggets that the school gave the girl. My mom works as a program trainer for food brokers who sell to school districts (and other cafeterias) in the US and in parts of Ontario and I have seen the description of the foods. In order to be sold to a school district the food service company has to comply with the USDA regulations (at least in the States) and the nuggets are 100% grade A white meat in the nuggets. Schools also bake things not fry them. And there are dietary regulations that the schools do need to follow.



However my defense ends here because my daughter was served french toast sticks and soft pretzels at her 400$ a month private school last year.

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I can completely side with the mother on this one. For the reasons that many of you have mentioned, and because I remember what a picky eater I was as a kid. My mom would have never sent veggies (besides carrots) for my lunch because I would have just tossed them in the trash. She fed them to me at dinner, lots, because they could make sure I actually ate them.



We are pretty tight around this house about healthy eating. My daughter at 3 1/2 is pretty clear about what junk food is and why we don't eat it. But I don't see this meal as being all that egregious, particularly when you compare it to those vile "chicken" nuggets they fed her instead.



This might not be the choices I make for my kid (I'm very opposed to chips and juice for instance) but I can see no good reason for the school's action here. The kid will be fine with turkey sandwiches, a banana and some apple juice. Malnutrition, diabetes, and obesity should be their big concerns. I don't think this lunch is all that likely to cause any of those unless done in excess on a daily basis. But then anything can cause diabetes and obesity if done in excess on a daily basis.

Jodi - posted on 02/16/2012

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Deborah: "That means lunches must consist of one serving of meat, one serving of milk, one serving of grain, and two servings of fruit or vegetables, even if the lunches are brought from home." Copy and pasted from the article. It says 2 servings of fruit OR veggies, it doesn't say there has to be one of each. She had a banana and apple juice, fullfilling that requirement.



But, I do agree with you, why make her take a whole new lunch? Why not let her eat her healthy sandwich, banana and apple juice, and if she didn't have cheese on her sandwich, let her have milk, or if they wanted to throw a fit over a veggie, offer her the carrot sticks or whatever.



I think the whole thing is just ridiculous.I would get it if her parents had packed a moon cake, a mountain dew, some gummy worms and a cookies, but her meal was clearly (IMO) MORE healthy than the one the school provided.

Deborah - posted on 02/16/2012

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Yes, that's going too far. If they want parents to pack more 'healthy' lunches, they should send him a note and a guideline suggestion, but that's all it should be.



The lunch sounded healthy enough to me. I don't eat vegetables at breakfast, for example, so what does it matter if she misses one for lunch?



Especially considering they gave her chicken nuggets instead of letting her eat what her mother packed. I suppose they could also supplement the packed lunch in order to make it meet standards. She was obviously missing a healthy vegetable, so giving her some carrot sticks or something probably would have solved the problem



It is not the school's responsibility to monitor home made lunches.

Stifler's - posted on 02/16/2012

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It also depends on which philosophy of healthy eating you believe.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/16/2012

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Allergies and religious convictions are slightly more important than if the child's lunch has a veggie in it or not.



Some days my daughter's lunch doesn't have a sandwhich in it because she doesn't want it. Should my husband and I get in trouble because my child is old enough to make her own choices?

Janice - posted on 02/16/2012

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Are you f 'in kidding me?!! That is completely crazy!

First of all the lunch was healthy with the exception of chips. Processed chicken nuggets are not healthy. If I were that mom, I would be demanding to know why my daughter's lunch wasn't healthy.



Second this little girl is 4. Its completely normal for young children to split up what they eat so that they may not get all the right foods in 1 meal or even one day but do get proper nutrition over a few days.



I think the gov't is completely over-stepping their boundries here. I understand banning junk food, but beyond that its the parents choice what they put in their child's lunch.



I really have never heard of any thing like this. I've been in quite a few lunch rooms over the past few years and the only one that had restriction was a private Hebrew school which required kosher lunches.

Anna - posted on 02/16/2012

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I don't actually think it matters what's in the girl's lunch. It's being confiscated and replaced with chicken nuggets! Chicken nuggets are pretty much the height of junk food. I know some parents are really stupid but obviously these school authorities are as well.



And Megan raises a good point about allergies. Parents know their children like no one else does.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/16/2012

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Yes, you are correct Jodi in regards to where the line is drawn for what a healthy lunch is. There definitely would need to be one, such as neglect and malnutrition.



What I am meaning is if they are getting a bag of chips everyday or a hot dog, then more than likely they are not getting the right foods at home either. Typically, if a parent is willing to offer bad foods for each lunch, they are not offering good foods during the other 16 meals of the week. However, yes, there would need to be a bit more understanding to what the child is actually eating.



This child in the OP had a perfectly healthy, balanced meal. It was ludicrous for the school to think otherwise and provide chicken nuggets in place.



I agree about the empty carbs, however I also agree that anything when over indulged can make you fat. There needs to be balance in everything, including foods.



We are a very healthy, slim, energetic family. I offer healthy foods for each and every meal time. We do not eat out often (maybe once a month, if that and it is not fast food). However, I also offer treats. We also eat cereals, which are typically empty carb ones. However because we eat well 95% of the time, the other 5% of crap we eat is not a bad choice. So, having a cookie in a lunch everyday is not necessarily bad, if there are healthy foods in it too....

Jodi - posted on 02/16/2012

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But MeMe, where do you draw the line of healthy foods? We eat organic, and not the stuff you buy in the store, we grow our food and raise our own animals, we know EXACTLY what goes into our food...or as is the case, what doesn't go into it. I could stand in a position to say that anyone who doesn't offer the same is giving their child less nutritious or non-healthy food. (which I'm not, we're very fortunate to be able to provide food for ourselves, not everyone can do that!) If a child is starving or malnourished, ok, but that needs to be established before calling in CPS just because of what's in their lunch. You don't know what they're eating at home anyways.



As for grains, empty carbs will certainly make you fat if you over indulge. Whole or multi-grains in proper amounts are essential for your body in terms of energy and just plain nutrition. Whole and multi-grains can actually fill you up faster and keep you full longer, resulting in weight loss for some people.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/16/2012

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Ah, see for those parents that were sending "bad" lunches and did not go to the "free" classes then they would be held liable to make proper lunches or have CPS called for neglecting their child of healthy foods....

Tracey - posted on 02/16/2012

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My kids school offered free classes on healthy eating, 2% of parents went, they were middle class and already providing good food. The target audience had no interest in these or any parenting classes (teenagers, puberty, behaviour, money management etc).



The only lunchbox requests the school makes - and they are requests nothing is banned, are no fizzy drinks, no chocolate and no highly coloured food which could stain clothing or books. As far as I can remember the only item that has ever been taken away from a child was shandy because it was alcoholic.



School dinners which are supposed to meet all the relevant nutritional standards are £2.75 (about $4.50) per child per day.

Anna - posted on 02/16/2012

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I have a picky eater. I am sure he wouldn't touch chicken nuggets. He would rather starve. I guess that would show 'em?

Alahnna - posted on 02/16/2012

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I would be absolutely livid if my child's school did this. I mean, they didn't even replace it with somthin healthy, they gave her chicken nuggets! According to the story, she had a turkey and cheese sandwich, a banana, apple juice and a bag of chips. Other than the chips, what the heck is wrong with that lunch? It has all the food groups and they didn't let her eat a HEALTHY sandwich and gave her chicken nuggets? REALLY??? Yeah, I would be at the school pronto. The government is getting way to involved in things that are not their concern and it needs to stop.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/16/2012

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Emma, I eat grains and I am FAR from fat.. ;) As a matter in fact, my night time snack is cereal. Just thought I would add that, so there is no misconception that grains make people fat because they don't.. Now if all you eat is grains, yes but that will happen with anything, even fruit and veggies, they are LOADED with natural sugars. Which is why everything eaten in moderation is key...



I also disagree that a child should not get a treat in their lunch. My daughter was taught from the get go how important the main portions of her meals are but that a treat - of say a cookie - is OK, as long as the good stuff was eaten first.



How did I make sure she was eating the good stuff before the treats? Well at the age of 5 and even at the age of 13, she knows I have no issue with calling the school and asking the duty teacher's to keep an eye on whether she is eating her good parts first. She doesn't try me on that because she KNOWS I will call if I feel the need. She has also been taught to bring ALL of the food she does not eat while at school, home. We are not rich and we do NOT waste. If she did throw any of it out, she has always confessed. See, she knows I will find out, she doesn't play me like a fool...



So, yes IMO there is nothing wrong with a treat to go along with the healthy foods.. However, I mean a cookie is not as bad as a chocolate bar or candy and I do not give those types of things...



BTW - My daughter is 5' 7" and 118lbs, she is far from fat.. ;) I stress the importance of eating healthy, she has been taught well and goes for healthy food (like an apple or pear or banana) well before she goes for crap.



Which is why I think it is more important to have cooking classes for parents that are unsure of how to make healthy choices. Making them send healthy lunches is not going to help anyone. What about the other 16 meals a week they give their children?

Stifler's - posted on 02/16/2012

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p.s those little packets of chips should be banned, especially if they're getting it every day. this has been going on for years. kids brought packs of brightly coloured cheezels and cheetos and what have you in their lunch box with 35% fruit juice and muesli bars with chocolate chips.

Stifler's - posted on 02/16/2012

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No I don't considering I don't eat grains or drink milk at age 23. It's not exactly advocated for anymore. Grains make everyone fat, that's sooo healthy. I agree with the fruit and vegetables. What if they're allergic to dairy or wheat ?

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/15/2012

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I don't even make chicken nuggets at HOME! well unless they are homemade from scratch... How absurd!

Jodi - posted on 02/15/2012

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Wow, this would really peeve me off! Not so much because they incorrectly (IMO) deemed the lunch not nutritional enough...but because they replaced it with CHICKEN NUGGETS!!!! Are you kidding me?! That's healthier than a turkey sandwich? WOW.



Her lunch WAS of a nutritional balance, IMO, more nutritional than chicken nuggets. My kid would never pass this one, she's the type of eater that one day, allll she will eat is meat...then the next, she'll ONLY eat fruits or veggies, Carbs and dairy seem to go hand in hand with her, although I can usually sneak dairy in on other days, like fruit with yogurt, or meat with cheese, just not a lot. What am I supposed to do, being a parent who feeds 90% organic foods and incredibly unsatisfied with the food provided for school lunches??? It's kind of bull if you ask me!

If I'm paying for my own child's food which costs way more than the school lunch because my food is catered to my child's eating habits and my food (IMO) is far more healthy...they're going to feed my child inferior food, charge me for it, just because she doesn't eat the amount of each kind of food when *they* say she should it?



I should add, my pediatrician is very happy with her diet. She eats more fruits and veggies and dairy each week than the average child, just doesn't balance out each day the way the meal plan is "supposed" to.

Kimberly - posted on 02/15/2012

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I would be so mad if this happened to my daughter. She doesnt eat well as it is so I would be packing her lunch with things I knew she would eat and also to meet guildlines. I dont see anything wrong with the lunch the lady packed. Schools here have rules about what you can and cant bring such a peanut butter, nuts, etc for allergies and they have to have a healthy snack for morning and afternoon tea but would seen a note home if you sent something not allowed not take the childs lunch. And to then give her chicken nuggets?!?!? Glad when my daughter goes to school we dont have rules like that here

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I'm on the fence about this because I have seen some of the crap lunches the kids in my son's class bring to school. I don't think they should be able to tell parents to send a minimum or proportionate amount of any food group--that is a bit demanding for picky eaters! That said, some schools in our area have certain items which are "off limits" and I do wish our school would implement something like that.



Last week, I had lunch with J, and 3 kids had a PP&J on white bread, gold fish, and a cookie for lunch! Obviously, those parents could benefit from a few guidelines.



There really should always be a fruit or veggie, a dairy, and a protein. Those give kids nutrients they need to fight off the multitude of germs found in schools, and lasting energy to get through the day without melting down from a carb crash or starving half way into the afternoon. That said, getting a dairy in at school is hard for J. He likes to drink water, and only eats cheese melted, so my only option is yogurt, and he can't have that everyday. Usually, if I know he is not having a yogurt, I make sure he gets milk and cheese at breakfast.



That is one reason I don't think requiring certain foods everyday is a good idea, but there really is no need to put something like a cookie in a lunch box. Maybe as a special treat every now and again, but these kids eat cookies everyday!

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The thing is, the mom likely signed a release to something of this effect if its anything like Texas. You know that pile of papers you sign to enroll the kids in school?



Well, there's still a release you have to sign regarding corporal punishment in Texas. It's never actually used that I have seen, but the release is still a requirement.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/15/2012

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I agree the school has to have restrictions and guidelines on what "they" offer but WTF? If your child brings it from home that is none of their damn business. I mean come on, they are going to eat it at home, what makes it so different if they eat it at school?



IMO - that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard (OK, maybe not the stupidest but it's on that scale). Yes, parents should be trying their best to feed their child healthy and appropriate foods but some kids are just plain picky. They still need to eat, who's to say they will eat what the school provides or what their parents provide due to the school's requirements? And how much does a parent have to spend to get it, whether it be from the school or purchased by the parent? Are they going to start providing "free" lunches for those families that cannot afford to abide by the schools standards?



I understand how it is important for children to be eating healthy, well balanced meals but how can someone that is low income afford to provide this type of meal on a daily basis? Hell, it is hard enough for most of them to provide milk, let alone fruits and veggies. If a parent sends their kid to school with crap, then the school needs to inform someone to look into it but to "make" a parent do it their way is WRONG.



IMO, it would be more productive to offer "free" classes to parents on how to prepare healthy meals on a fixed or low income. That would help teach a parent how to provide these meals all the time, not "force" them to figure out how just for a lunch, 5 days a week!



Absurd, if you ask me...

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Dear god, that's ridiculous. I'd be so far up that school's ass so fast they wouldn't know what hit them.



My representatives would know me by first name.



I'm glad the area where I am at is more reasonable. My husband, who is going to school to be a teacher, just informed me that here the schools have regulations on what they can and cannot offer, but no power to force parents to conform to their standards. A good thing too, since I believe that congress recently ruled that pizza can be considered a vegetable in terms of school nutrition. (Yes, I know it likely has a full serving of vegetable, as well as cheese and grain, but the whole concept still sounds absurd to me)



As for parents who DO send their kids to school with crap food - there's a word for that. Malnutrition. Malnutrition is abuse. A teacher, or any employee of a school is required to report abuse to CPS. But a school does NOT have the authority to take action in place of CPS. That's why CPS exists.



Jebus.

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