Nicole - posted on 03/20/2011 ( 14 moms have responded )




If time and space are just the limited lenses through which humans perceive their world, and God is beyond time and space, then why are time measurements, (eternity for example) listed in the bible in regards to hell, especially when it is related to angels?

What would time mean to an angel? I imagine nothing. There is no reason angels are demons would be limited to perceiving the world in regards to time and space.

So eternity in hell would mean jack all. It would mean they experience love and torment...bliss and suffering...like everyone else.

What is eternity to some being to whom time is irrelevant?


Jocelyn - posted on 03/21/2011




I don't believe in hell and time is not linear, so there is no eternity.
The bible was written by man, and man needs the concept of time in order to understand the world.

Johnny - posted on 03/21/2011




Great question Nicole. Pretty deep. I'm on the extra strength advil right now, but it's not quite enough for this. I think I might need the codeine to fully think it through.

Whether you believe in god or angels or hell or you believe in the scientific, I think it is very difficult for humans to suspend their perceptions of time and see beyond. Any sort of text that is discussing existence outside of our current parameters is going to struggle to connect human time to the non-corporeal. Just like scientific texts often use false human perceptions of time to explain occurrences not so governed, I would guess that the writers of the bible and other religious texts have made the same choice. To try to line it up so that we can sort of understand it.


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Veronica - posted on 03/22/2011




I think that there is no time - who knows what eternity really means - one day on earth could be a millisecond to God. And you CANNOT blame the bible to be the reason for time to exist, as this has to do with science, isnt it? the tilt of the earth, how long it takes for the earth to circle the sun, etc. -- how can anyone in biblical times tell this when they had no concept of space?? or getting off this earth to measure that?? What was a day for them anyways?? They talk about abraham and that living to almost 1000 years old - what did they percieve as a year, then?? Maybe a day counted as sun up to sun down, and that was a day - without the early morning/late nights considered days - maybe they went by seasons - so what if winter lasted longer or shorter, did that affect 'years'. We can't say for sure.
My idea of 'eternity' is forever. If you are cast into hell - your soul will remain there, forever. I dont know what hell is - some describe it as a pit of fire, others living through tortorous times over and over again, etc. who knows - i just assume that once you get there, that is it. As for heaven - same deal, forever - forever being with God and all his glory - what heaven will entail - i cant even begin to think what it would be about - will we live a life like we do now - will the days blend into days - will there be a night time - who knows.
There are times in my life that days blend into days, hours into hours, etc. etc. that one min. its wednesday, and next its saturday morning - time can fly so quickly - that is what i feel eternity will be like - just going and going and there isnt time to count.. Im not sure if im making sense - but that is the best that i can think of how to describe it....

Johnny - posted on 03/21/2011




Never ending torture....Sort of like endlessly having to listen to people tell you about how you're going there???

Karen - posted on 03/21/2011




Actually, Hell is suppose to be a total alianation of God and eternal dispair (Kind of like a loss of a parent) and even though you may or not may not believe in God his presence is still felt everywhere around us in creation. The physical torment in Hell is to distract us from the loss. (I can't imagine how that's a kind thing -LOL). Anyways, it's not 'glimpses of bliss/happiness' think raging fire and never ending torture.

Mrs. - posted on 03/20/2011




All I know about hell is that The Fresh Beat Band hails from there. Seriously, the rapture must have already happened because that show is a sure sign we're all burning in some kind of hell.

Nicole - posted on 03/20/2011




I can understand the idea of making the point that hell is really awful beyond comprehension, it seems like an external form of punishment for some being out of touch from its source. If an angel was connected to its source, they would have an internal sense of morality, right and wrong and would not need any threat of punishment to keep them doing what they should. So connect vs disconnect.

Humans disconnected from their culture need police to keep them in line

Punishment and anger and something lost that has high value

What I don't understand is where time comes in

Time is not linear, we just see it that way, so what does eternity mean to an angel? Does it just mean it has happened and cannot be placed in time?

Sharon - posted on 03/20/2011




From what I read and understand of Hell - you get glimpses of bliss/happiness etc. It just doesn't come to fruition. Nothing you want actually happens. Nothing you need actually comes to you. Its torment. Despair in totality - but because spiritual beings lack needs - I imagine our perception of what hell is is inaccurate too.

Jodi - posted on 03/20/2011




Because humans are the only being that defines time, and humans wrote the Bible.

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