hmmmm i would of been a lesbian but i became a christian,,,,

Sal - posted on 08/24/2011 ( 34 moms have responded )

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they are debating gay marriage here again, while listening to a radio chat about it today(with caller sms's)...one text was from a girl who said 'i would of been a lesbian but i became a christian' so is she for real? can you turn gay off?

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♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/25/2011

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Karen, Sodom and Gomorrah were burned because of their hostility towards visitors not because of homosexuality. God didn't like their treatment of strangers and burned the city.



The Bible does mention homosexuality, but not as much as it mentions heterosexuals and what we shouldn't do. And if you read the Old Testement there's a shedload of things we can't do. :)



You can't turn off Gay you can't turn off straight. Your sexuality isn't a light switch. Honestly if any human trait was to be given a light switch, I'd vote for ignorance. Because I really wish people could turn that off.



I've also read that supressing your sexuality can be detrimental in other ways. So I believe it's silly to comment that you became a Christian and stopped being a lesbian

JuLeah - posted on 08/24/2011

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You can turn off gay as easily as you can turn off straight.

I know many Christians who are also queer, so I am not sure what she means by that. I know many who are Jews, Muslim .... We come in all faiths, sizes, colors, and shapes

When I was living in TN I met two fellows who had been raised up Southern Baptists and taught to fear/hate anything outside of their church and community.

They traveled America preaching the gay out of people. It was a good life, in that they believed they were doing good deeds, wanted nothing more then to work/live with one another for the rest of their lives. They were good friends.

And one night ... yah, kind of a Brokeback Mountain thing

They realized why they had never had girlfriends, never been interested in having a girlfriend.

They had told themselves they were committed to their work ... yahhh

They had been filled with such shame and fear that it took years for their true feelings to surface

They still travel America preaching God's word, but their goal now is to heal others, like themselves, who have been beaten, shamed, battered with the Bible.

They reread all the passages they had been taught to preach against the 'gay sinners' and realized, the Bible doesn't actually condemn homosexuality, it doesn't even mention it .... (Yes, I expect back lash from that comment)

They felt deep remorse for the pain they caused when attempting to cure gays, for making any person think they needed to be cured, for making people feel less.
And they were very clear, in all their years, they had never actually 'cured' anyone.

All the organizations that promise a 'cure' can, at best, teach a person to repress, to stuff down their true feelings, to lie to themselves, to live in isolation ...

What is important to understand is that being gay has nothing really to do with sex. I am a lesbian for example. I am not having sex right now, I am typing this message to all of you, yet I am still, even as I sit here, a lesbian.

I can't turn that off even to write this message

Rosie - posted on 08/27/2011

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i think the statement that the bible doesn't mention homosexuality could be true. old testament "doesn't count" or else we would have an overpopulation of lobster, and no woman would wear jeans anymore-especially those with two different fabrics. as for the new testament stuff, it's questionable as to what PAUL (not jesus/god or anyone important, lol) really meant because of translation issues. he could've been condemning pedophilia which was rampant at the time with men and young boys, and not homosexuality with two consenting adults.

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I have a friend who, I believe, has a mild form of schizophrenia. Now, we (his friends and I), don't know for sure because shortly after he started showing symptoms he found God and the whole "pray the gay away" movement. He claims that he doesn't need help from therapy or drugs because God is curing him, just like God got rid of his gayness.



It is really, really sad because, this man is a beautiful, talented, albeit mentally challenged, individual. He could probably have a wonderful, productive, happy life if he got help, medication and lived his life out in the open. However, he was very vulnerable and this church sucked him in. It is unfortunate. He is over thirty, still lives with his parents and occasionally announces on facebook that gays are all going to hell and he is pretty sure someone is trying to poison him.



This is an extreme case, but it just goes to show how twisted things can get in the whole reformed gay culture.

Jenny - posted on 08/24/2011

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No you can't turn it off or choose to be a different orientation. Either she is bisexual and is sticking with dick or has buried her true feelings which will spectacularly backfire in the future.

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♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/29/2011

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Krista, welcome to Debating moms with ADD :) Kidding.

Anyways, to add to the digression my husband's left handed and so is his father. He's hoping our baby will end up left handed like him. One of my friends was right handed, but she broke her wrist when she was a cheerleader back in middle school and learned to become left handed. I also had a lab partner in high school who was left handed. She sat on my right side and I'm right handed so writing notes wasn't fun.

What you said about suppressing things is true. It only hides an issue. The issue doesn't go away and can manifest itself in other less agreeable habits. And no I don't believe being gay is something unagreeable. But I'm also tired and can't think straight anymore. I need sleep.

Krista - posted on 08/28/2011

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Wow -- I didn't mean for that to result in such a long digression. : ) I was just using left-handedness as an analogy for being gay. But it does go to show that there are SOME things that we're just born with. And sure, with a lot of effort and abuse and Bible-thumping, we can suppress those things, but they're not gone...just suppressed.

Stifler's - posted on 08/28/2011

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Hahaha I always ate with my left hand so does everyone I know except my husband's cousin who is left handed and he cuts his food with the left and eats with the right.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 08/28/2011

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I think my daughter might be left handed. My sister is left handed, her husband is, son is, but her daughter is right handed. My husband and I and son are right handed, but I am pretty sure my daughter is left handed.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 08/28/2011

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You are "suppose" to cut with left hand holding fork, right hand holding knife, once cut, set down knife, switch hands and place food in mouth with right hand.

Stifler's - posted on 08/28/2011

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I thought everyone was supposed to eat with their fork in their left and knife in the right?

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My left. Its more comfortable to me.

I went to a catholic school too. In Cape Breton, its like going back in time. Everyone's stuck in their old ways.



edit to add...brad is hoping gabby is right handed too. Left handed genes runs strong in my family. My mom and dad were both lefties, and 3 out of 6 biological siblings are lefties too. They all had to go through what i did as well.

Stifler's - posted on 08/28/2011

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I am left handed. There is still left handed prejudice. My husband wants my son to be right handed. REALLY? In 2011. FFS.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 08/28/2011

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My sister went to Catholic schools until 6th grade. They use to smack her knuckles with a ruler every time she used her left hand to right OR eat. She has also gotten many forks to the hand for eating lefty. Just think what they would have done to her if they knew she was BI!

Krista - posted on 08/28/2011

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Jaysus, Julianne. I didn't realize this had been done so recently. I thought this was a relic from my grandparents' day.

So yes, you can write with both hands, but which one do you prefer to write with?

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In the olden days?? My teacher use to hit my hand with ruler every time she seen me writing with my left hand. Now I can write with both hands though, so something good came out of it :P



**That wasn't too long ago either.

Krista - posted on 08/28/2011

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Exactly. Your sexuality is sort of like your dominant hand.

Most people are right-handed. But some people are born left-handed.

In olden days, left-handedness was seen as wicked. Kids who showed signs of being left-handed were beaten, and would have that hand tied behind their back, and were forced to write with their right hand.

So they learned to write with their right hand, but it never felt natural or normal to them.

You could SAY that those people were "right-handed". But they weren't. Not really.

And the same goes for "cured" gays. They learned to act straight, but it's really just a big lie. And like the lefties, these gays are forced to be something they're not, solely because of good old (she says, sourly) religion.

Stifler's - posted on 08/27/2011

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Oh curing gays. Yes you would totally choose to be ridiculed and beaten up and have people protesting against you. No one choose who they love.

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I'm a Christian, I'm straight, I don't believe living a gay lifestyle is God's will, but I also believe having sex before marriage is not God's will, so I am not able to throw any stones..........As to gays being cured? I don't really believe it. I have too many friends who don't like being gay (guilt, torment for it, not fitting in, I mean who would choose all that???) I do believe some people are 'less' gay, and can be happy with a hetro relationship. I also believe these people are probably less sexual to begin with......I also know a woman who has never been interested in sex at all. She's had gay and straight relationships, and now lives with a friend (no sex) and will probably never have sex as long as she can have companionship with out it. Jesus made clear that we were NOT to judge. The new law he gave was to love others as we love ourselves. So, for all the "Christians" out there hating gays, ya'll are breaking one of the only two new commands God gave. Gays are breaking 1 of thousands of old laws. I'm thinking percentange wise, gays are winning.



I decided that I'd like to add on gays getting married- I don't have an opinion either way on the legal wedding, but MANY of our citizens are just treated wrong. Spending their whole adult caring for someone with no legal benefits for themselves? WRONG, and don't even get me started on what happens to their children in the cases of a split or death........

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/27/2011

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Actually I wouldn't mind that, I don't like having an organic tampon and having to sleep on a towel so I don't stain the sheets.

A lot of the warnings in the old testiment had to do with keeping people safe (Ie: not eatting pork) and the Jews do still adhere to a few of those laws since the old testiment is their book. But other than that many of the laws are disreguarded. Heck, one of my friends who is half Jewish (from her mom's side which technically makes her fully Jewish) eats ham and cheese sandwhiches. She mixes meat and dairy on a regular basis.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/27/2011

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Dyan, don't forget that if we paid attention to Leviticus there wouldn't be any football either.

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Ummm, I think the bible does mention homosexuality. Sodom and Gomorrah. The cities were burned because of homosexuallity and immorallity. Just throwing that out there.

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Oh my god, I dont even know how to respond that a statement like that. Other than to say "hear hear @JuLeah"

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I dont believe you can just turn off your sexuality. Just because shes not having sex doesnt mean shes not a lesbian. If I choose to remain celibate, does that mean Im not heterosexual? I think shes just supressing her sexuality and I agree in the long run it willl probably backfire.

Stifler's - posted on 08/24/2011

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I said I don't believe there is no such thing as bi lol. I hate when people are like :"you're gay or you're not".

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You dont believe in bisexual people?? Well i am...I am equally attracted to either sex. I have had a serious lesbian relationship, and a committed heterosexual one as well. I believe everyone is "bisexual", and we choose who we love based on human experience and possibly because of being transgendered.

Stifler's - posted on 08/24/2011

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I think you love who you love. I don't believe that there's no such thing as bisexual and I don't believe we choose who we love either. You can pretend that you aren't attracted to women but God knows. Because if there's a god he made you that way.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 08/24/2011

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I think you can suppress it, but I don't think you will be successful. Resentful maybe, but not successful.

Jenni - posted on 08/24/2011

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Well there's a few possibilities...

1) Yes, there are people that surpress their true self for religion's sake. They even offer church councilling on how 'not to be gay'. Does that make them not gay? no. See I think here is where the confusion lies when it comes to religious anti-homosexuality and us who support homosexuality.



The anti- believe being gay comes down to acting on the 'urges' to have sexual relations with the same sex.



The rest of us- believe it is who we are/the person is. Whether they are acting on having relations with the same sex or not, we/they are still gay.



It's sort of like; if I were 100% heterosexual but I didn't have sex with the opposite sex for 20 years. I'd still be heterosexual, right?

Or even though I'm in a commited relationship with my husband and don't have relationships with other females. I'm still bisexual.



2) She isn't 100% homosexual. According to Kinsey's scale there is a spectrum of homosexual vs. heterosexual.



3) I can force myself to choke down my MIL's burnt meatloaf for the sake of not offending her. Doesn't mean I enjoy it and I'm not excusing myself to the bathroom to gag.

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maybe she chooses not to act on it? like how a person may WANT to have sex all the time, but doesn't? I have no idea what the texter meant. I can't turn off my attraction to guys, but I could not act on it. Would be interesting to interview her and see what she actually means. Is she for real? No idea. Can you turn gay off? No. You can just choose not to act on it. Maybe she meant she'd swing both ways, but since in HER mind it was 'wrong', she chose just guys. Who knows - again, probably needed to ask the chick what exactly she meant by that. And one texter's opinion or choice has nothing to do with anyone else but that person.

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