How did the earth come to be?

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"Good lord the way some people are reacting you'd think we were talking about driving spike through our kids' ears!"

Isn't that what it is. A thin metal spike driven through flesh?

Lacye - posted on 08/08/2011

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I believe that God created the Earth. However, I don't think that He created people right after. I think He created the dinosaurs first and then they died out and then He created people and animals as we know them today. Well maybe not as we know them but pretty much the same.

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"Jen, yes that's true. But some people act like it's an inch thick and like one of those earrings you'd buy at some psuedo trendy punk store. "

Well, it's all the same to me. A hole is a hole is a hole.

Karla - posted on 08/07/2011

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(OT) I wonder if part of the difference is that we expect to disagree, and it's more about being able to articulate our perspective, then about proving our-self "right."

(Does that make sense?)

We expect individuality, and we want to hear differing opinions.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/07/2011

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Laura that sounds about right. And I have to laugh about people on the welcome boards telling someone if they don't want someone yelling at them don't start a debate. Debating isn't about shouting at someone until they give up and follow your opinions.

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♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/08/2011

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"Well, it's all the same to me. A hole is a hole is a hole. "

LOL now you sound like my husband :) It's a needle! Keep it away. And I don't mean that in a bad way.

I have 3 holes in my ears, tattoos and have had my tongue and eyebrow pierced at different times. The only piercing though that I never had complete consent for were my very first holes. I got them when I was 2. I guess that's some people's issue. Aw well, i have a friend who's a year older than me and she never got her ears done. She doesn't want them. My 6 year old doesn't either She's like her step dad they both hate needles.

And now my ADD is kicking in and wondering if I could use ear piercing as how the Earth came to be. Oh yeah God's earring... That's what I get from not enough sleep

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/08/2011

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Jen, yes that's true. But some people act like it's an inch thick and like one of those earrings you'd buy at some psuedo trendy punk store. I don't know. I'm just waiting until my girls want it done. My husband said he'd most likely be angry at me if I pierced the baby's ears right now.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/07/2011

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Karla, That sounds about right. We already know that there will be differing (and sometimes humourous) opinions so that relieves part of the arguing.

Oh did anyone catch the show on Discovery about theories on how the Universe was created? I know it aired on the Canadian Discovery channel tonight, but I wanted to know if anyone else saw it. There were some differing opinions on it. But it was also dinner time and then my 5 month old decided she was hungry. But I did watch some of it.

Merry - posted on 08/07/2011

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Megan, I think that's because here we know each other by name alot, we know each others kids etc. So we talk like we would to a person we know. On the welcome board it's usually people you don't recognize and likely won't see again so people let loose their crazies!
Like flipping off someone in traffic, you would do it to a stranger but if you saw the jerk was actually your friends mom or something you wouldn't do it.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/07/2011

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Yeah and the anti ear piercers get pretty snarky. I've noticed that on debating moms there's more of a sense of humour and people seem to respect eachother's opinions more than on the welcome site and such. I understand that for some people they feel that their beliefs although with no solid evidence are proof enough. But even those people aren't as 'it's my way or nothing' or 'this is what I say and you should feel the same way or else' on this forum. And I appreciate that. We do debate, but we also seem to respect people's opinions and feelings a lot more. At least in my opinion

Merry - posted on 08/07/2011

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Haha Megan that's awesome, God with add :D
The difference in this debat and ear piercing one is here everyone knows they cant prove their belief, itsoersonal and all based on faith or evidence, not facts. In ear piercing the opposers feel like it's plain old fact that it's not necessary and painful and risky and all on a unconsenting minor. So they believe its wrong for anyone to do it, here most agree it's a personal thing, not cold hard facts.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/06/2011

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Hey I have adult ADD, it happens :) Hmm, maybe that's how the Earth started and why God only spent 7 days creating it (you know if you practice my religion and everything) God got Himself motivated and said hey I wanna do this. Then when He was resting he was really thinking damn I'm bored- Hey what can I do about those stars?

Johnny - posted on 08/06/2011

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This is the craziest veering off topic I've ever seen. I've got to say, I kinda like it :)

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/06/2011

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Yes a 2mm spike. But it's ok because it's for fashion :)

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/06/2011

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All I know is that right now this debate is a lot less heated than the one about ear piercing. Good lord the way some people are reacting you'd think we were talking about driving spike through our kids' ears!

I kinda like Peter Griffin's idea on how the universe came to be: After a night of binge drinking God tried to light one of His farts on fire and created the universe.

I mean no disrespect to anyone's beliefs about religion. I was just quoting something.

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"It's very possible that the truth is something that our puny little human brains cannot even BEGIN to comprehend, and that if we were even shown a glimpse of the truth, we'd go mad trying to process it. "

Well that just proves C'Thulhu is real. ;)

http://rubbersuitstudios.com/ptcct.htm

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/05/2011

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LMAO, My husband and I were talking about this last night because of some new show on the Discovery Channel!

He says the only reason that people believe that God created the world were because back then people were really ignorant and uneducated (He's an athiest btw)

I say that Genisis never says how long those days were in the first place they could've been 100's of millions of years.

So to put it in a nicer way, God and science got together and boom. universal stew.

Yeah... I need sleep :)

Sara - posted on 08/04/2011

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This is kind of OT, but what I find intriguing about Stephen Hawking is that since he does not have motor function of his limbs, and hasn't for many years, all of the equations that he does and comes up with to explain his theories he does IN HIS HEAD. To me, that's about as damn mind blowing as pondering the beginning of the beginning. I agree he's just a man, but still I find his thoughts and ideas pretty intriguing.

Johnny - posted on 08/04/2011

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"Interesting! I also wonder if our own exact universe also exists in different times -- and any convergence could explain the phenomenon of deja vu? "

That is an interesting thought. It makes sense to me, but of course, there is no way to prove it. Just wild imaginings and theorizing.

"I'm not sure this is something that can be debated. It's basically an opinion with no actual basis either way."

Very true Lisa. It's an interesting discussion but since the details of the existence/beginning of the universe are so far beyond our understanding, it really is not something one can really argue about. The creation of the planet earth on the other hand has plenty of factual and scientific evidence to back it up.

I must agree with Cathy. We humans can only see from our own perspective, and that limits us from grasping the entire picture. No one, no matter how brilliant or far thinking is going to be able to escape that.

Krista - posted on 08/04/2011

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@Cathy: Exactly. It's very possible that the truth is something that our puny little human brains cannot even BEGIN to comprehend, and that if we were even shown a glimpse of the truth, we'd go mad trying to process it.

Isobel - posted on 08/04/2011

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I just can never understand why it's easier to believe that God "has just always been" than to believe that the Universe "has just always been".

Krista - posted on 08/04/2011

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Basically the napkin drawing that was done suggested that they exist in separate time and space but occasionally collide.

Interesting! I also wonder if our own exact universe also exists in different times -- and any convergence could explain the phenomenon of deja vu?


I have often wondered, even in my earlier more religious years, whether the universe may have no beginning or end, (as in coming into being and dying.) We are so used to the concept of beginning and ending, it literally defines our lives, but there is no real reason to believe that of everything. The idea that the universe perpetually expands and contracts is believable to me.

I think that's actually fairly likely. We humans are a little messed up by the idea of infinity, but to me, it makes sense that the universe has ALWAYS been here -- its form has just changed. It would correlate well with the first law of thermodynamics, wouldn't it?

Minnie - posted on 08/04/2011

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I'm not sure this is something that can be debated. It's basically an opinion with no actual basis either way.



I mean, we can talk about evolution itself because of the scientific evidence for it but the actual impetus for everything coming into existance?



I believe God created everything. I have no proof of that to offer in a debate. I don't believe in a young earth/7 day creation.

Charlie - posted on 08/03/2011

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Johnny your toilet literiture is far more advanced than mine haha .

Karla - posted on 08/03/2011

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I cannot wrap my brain around the big bang theory, but I find it intriguing. I have often wondered, even in my earlier more religious years, whether the universe may have no beginning or end, (as in coming into being and dying.) We are so used to the concept of beginning and ending, it literally defines our lives, but there is no real reason to believe that of everything. The idea that the universe perpetually expands and contracts is believable to me.



What’s hard to believe is the size of the tiny piece of super dense material they say it once was…



See the video for a quick synopsis of the big bang theory with time line.

Johnny - posted on 08/03/2011

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I have to be honest. I have no flippin' clue Krista. I read a bit about it from one of hubby's journals while sitting on the can (way way over my head) and then heard it discussed at Sunday brunch (where despite them talking to me like I was a 5 year old I still didn't get it). Basically the napkin drawing that was done suggested that they exist in separate time and space but occasionally collide.

Krista - posted on 08/03/2011

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Did you know that many astrophysicists are now theorizing that there may be other universes? These exist throughout space and time. Time being the concept that we humans have the greatest trouble wrapping our minds around and holds us back from some of the more important discoveries.

I'm trying to wrap my mind around that right now, and I think I just fried a few synapses. So do they think that these universes would occupy the exact same physical space as our own universe? ('Cause wouldn't that sort of fly in the face of the Pauli exclusion principle?) Or are these alterna-universes just filling in the gaps?

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I believe that God started the big bang and then what happened after was just down to physics.

Johnny - posted on 08/03/2011

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I think most of you know that I do not believe in god at all. However, I must point out that when discussing the beginning both the scientific and the religious myths meet with the same conundrum, how did something come from nothing?

Those who believe in a creator god always argue that the Big Bang doesn't make sense because they suggest that the universe could not have spontaneously come into being from not being.

Those who believe that the universe popped into being from a single particle or just "happened" or was a result of a massive collision that occurred between other universes (simplified version of one of the more recent theories) can ask a similar question of those who believe in a creator....if there was nothing, then how did god come to exist?

I prefer to go with the idea that there are somethings we are just fairly unlikely to figure out before we poison our atmosphere & water to the extent that we die off.

Sara - posted on 08/03/2011

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I don't believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful man in the sky who created the universe out of nothing. I mean, if that were true you'd have to wonder, where did God come from then?



The short answer for me is that I don't know, and I don't think we'll ever know, though as Johnny has pointed out, there are some interesting and mind-blowing theories out there. Stephen Hawking is the fucking man, btw.

Rosie - posted on 08/03/2011

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i honestly have no clue. but to me, it suddenly forming is more fathomable than any type of god using his magical powers and creating it. if i were to say any other magical being did the exact same thing i would be laughed at. i just don't understand why that doesn't apply to any religions god.

Johnny - posted on 08/03/2011

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I'm just going to cut & paste my answer because this is already pretty well answered in science texts:



From the scientific viewpoint, the Earth would have had to form about 4.54 billion years since the earliest material in the solar system is dated back to about this time period. It is scientifically accepted that the solar system including the earth was the result of a solar nebula that collapsed from the formation of the sun.



The dust and gas from the solar nebula took about 10-20 million years to form into the earth starting with the molten centre of the Earth which cooled down to form a crust that allowed water to begin to accumulate.



The atmosphere of the earth is thought to have formed from volcanic activity and escaping gassing. The oceans on the earth were produced by water vapour from asteroids and other planets that may have collided with the earth. Due to the greenhouse gases that exist in the atmosphere and solar activity around the earth the surface temperature of the earth remains high so that the oceans do not freeze up.






So the earth being about 4.5 billion years old with life beginning about 1 billion years after its creation. The universe is wildly estimated to be anywhere from 20 billion to 10 billion years old. There is a LOT of time there for stuff to happen.



There may have been a creator(s) who started it, there may be a god(s) guiding existence. But they are not necessary for it to have occurred. (If you are really interested in that concept check out Stephen Hawking's newest book, The Grand Design)



Did you know that many astrophysicists are now theorizing that there may be other universes? These exist throughout space and time. Time being the concept that we humans have the greatest trouble wrapping our minds around and holds us back from some of the more important discoveries.

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