How far is too far?

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What are your opinions on Genetically Modified Organisms?
When has it gone too far?
Forcing foods on people with out their consent or acknowledgement that what they are eating is only a clone of what they believe they are eating? Shouldn't the FDA be required to label foods that are genetically altered?
Do you think its okay that Monsanto sues farmers because their (monsanto's) patented seeds have blown into a neighboring farms land and got mixed up in their crop?
What about inserting human genes into the DNA of cows in order to get them to produce human breast milk?

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I really don't have a problem with genetically modified food. I have no problem with fish being "grown" in fisheries. Genetically modified, to me, is simply one way to help solve what is surely to become even more of an issue in our future, as our population continues to grow. When it comes down to it, I'll take survival over extinction or starvation. Even if that means that my grandchildren drink human breast milk that came from a cow. As long as the cows are treated fairly and humanely, I have zero problems with it.



Edited to add: I saw a documentary a few weeks ago about corn and I learned something I never knew. Before the United States was "discovered", the native people had already learned how to grow and cultivate corn. But the ears of corn were no bigger than the average adult thumb. Over the last several centuries, cross breeding and cross polination has made them get bigger and bigger. It can now be mass grown and mass produced and feed mass millions. Even though it's not in its original state and has been modified by man, we still eat it, don't we?

Sneaky - posted on 06/23/2011

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Strangely enough I see a few people are worried about the unnaturalness of GM foods . . . . .

Isn't IVF un-natural?

Aren't vaccines un-natural?

Isn't it un-natural to drive cars and live in permanent housing and buy our food at the supermarket, when we should all be walking, be nomads according to the seasons and be hunter/gathering?

When, exactly, does technical advancement become '"natural"?


As for GM food being sold without 'labeling' and being 'forced on' the general public, people can (and will) do research into the exact ingredients of a vaccine, but they are concerned about GM food and can not be bothered to research the food they buy????

Amanda - posted on 06/23/2011

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I am just wondering what you all think they are putting into the plants that can be so harmful?



GM food is no different then farms breeding different plants together other then it is a much faster and has greater accuracy. For example, they can isolate a gene responsible for drought tolerance and insert that gene into a different plant. The new GM plant will gain drought tolerance as well. With GM they can make plants resisitant to insects, as well improved nutritional content.



GM is the right choice to keep the world from straving to death.



Pest resistance

Herbicide tolerance

Disease resistance

Cold/Drought tolerance



From my understanding there are very few GM veggies or fruits actually sold in whole form in USA markets, that GM foods are actually used in processed foods. ie Cereals, veggie oils. Most GM crops are corn, cotton, rapeseed then potatoes.



As for the law suit it is Monsanto own damn fault that farms have their seed. If they didnt want their seeds to interbreed they should of only sold MALE seeds to farms (they do not produce pollen). But of course a big company will win over a small farmer anyday.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/22/2011

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First of all, I have to say that my husband worked for Monsanto for years. I agree that seed companies like Monsanto shouldn't have the power to sue farmers for letting pollination occur naturally. BUT, Monsanto sells GMO seeds to farmers with written contracts stating that farmers are to adhere to certain guidelines. For instance, farmers are to remove the tassels (silks) from corn crops in certain row patterns and at a certain time of year to ensure cross-pollination does not occur. My husband says Monsanto would not bother with isolated instances, but will go after blatant infractions.
The biggest anti-trust issues in GMO agriculture deal with farmers retaining the seed and planting it the following year. Monsanto requires that all unused seed is to be returned to the dealers. Farmers understand all of this, and yet this does not deter them from dealing with GMO seed companies. WHY? Because they know that GMO seeds yield more crops, enough to make a nice profit and keep the farmer in business.

As for the FDA not requiring food to be labeled, it is very difficult to draw the line between organic and GMO. Apples are bred to keep for longer in warehouses without spoiling, grapes and watermelons are bred as seedless, pumpkins are bred to be as big as beach balls, etc. All of this is done by breeding certain varieties of crops, without inserting any DNA in the lab. Does anyone make a stink about these types of produce? Bottom line: just because things are labeled as "organic" does not mean they are completely naturally occurring.

And finally, as for the cow-human breast milk thing, this is simply a mass production debate. If it were ethical to grow human females on a farm and milk them like cows, would people still have a problem with that?

Debby - posted on 06/27/2011

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Just an FYI, since genetic engineering and modification of foods began, the average age onset of puberty has gone from 12-13 years old to 9. I made the connection years ago and eliminated them.

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Personally I think GMO is pretty cool. I keep hearing that its' bad but I haven't read an explanation as to why that I either understood (granted my own ignorance on that one) or that made sense (potentially see above). I also don't think that organic is all it's cracked up to be either.

Rosie - posted on 06/25/2011

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gmo's are not safe IMO, nor are they the same thing as hybrid food. several animal studies indicate serious health risks associated with GM food consumption including infertility, immune dysregulation, accelerated aging, dysregulation of genes associated with cholesterol synthesis, insulin regulation, cell signaling, and protein formation, and changes in the liver, kidney, spleen and gastrointestinal system.
There is more than a casual association between GM foods and adverse health effects. There is causation as defined by Hill's Criteria in the areas of strength of association, consistency, specificity, biological gradient, and biological plausibility.5 The strength of association and consistency between GM foods and disease is confirmed in several animal studies.2,6,7,8,9,10,11
Specificity of the association of GM foods and specific disease processes is also supported. Multiple animal studies show significant immune dysregulation, including upregulation of cytokines associated with asthma, allergy, and inflammation. 6,11 Animal studies also show altered structure and function of the liver, including altered lipid and carbohydrate metabolism as well as cellular changes that could lead to accelerated aging and possibly lead to the accumulation of reactive oxygen species (ROS). 7,8,10 Changes in the kidney, pancreas and spleen have also been documented. 6,8,10 A recent 2008 study links GM corn with infertility, showing a significant decrease in offspring over time and significantly lower litter weight in mice fed GM corn.8 This study also found that over 400 genes were found to be expressed differently in the mice fed GM corn. These are genes known to control protein synthesis and modification, cell signaling, cholesterol synthesis, and insulin regulation. Studies also show intestinal damage in animals fed GM foods, including proliferative cell growth9 and disruption of the intestinal immune system.6 http://www.aaemonline.org/gmopost.html

not only that, its the whole monopolizing the food industry. people don't have a say in what they are eating. most people probably don't even know that they are eating GMO food since there is no mandating of labeling. i hate how the united states is soooo behind in every aspect of our food, it seems like we're the only developed country out there that let's their people eat poison and won't tell them that and won't do anything about it.

Amanda - posted on 06/24/2011

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I tried to read that Quebec study of yours Jenny but it cost 30 bucks to do so, I dont know any study that cost money to actually read the results for yourself.



http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...



The link sited in your site where this author got his information. I also have a hard time swollowing the writings of a man who makes money off claiming GM foods are unsafe. As for the blogs Sam, I never use blogs as my source of information.



I will look for that study your site is about Jenny and read it later today, after I am done all my days stuff to do.

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http://localnourishment.com/2011/05/13/g...
there are plenty of articles on it.
If GM foods are so safe and will help feed the hungry of the world, then why do the hungry turn the GM food away?
http://www.worldpress.org/Africa/737.cfm
because they know that genetically modified foods do not provide them with the proper nutrients to survive, especially in a world where they actually have to do hard labor on a daily basis.
And if we are so concerned about feeding the hungry, why do we (America) throw away 96 BILLION pounds of food each year?
http://www.takepart.com/news/2011/06/23/...

Sal - posted on 06/23/2011

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i think we have to seperate the frankenstein stories like the cow making human milk, and not compare them to the GM foods that we are more likely to encounter, wheat that thrives in a dry season, rice that gives a poor farming ecconmy better yeilds off the same amount of land and water, fruit that has a longer season so the markets can be extended, everyday it is there something that we take advantage of, early season peaches, tomatos that don;t make our sandwiches soggy, it isn;'t all bad, just don;t let media hype make the whole thing scary, it just isn;t

Jenny - posted on 06/23/2011

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I do not agree with GMO foods and avoid them as much as I can. I am removing as many sources of toxins from my home as I can find. I use natural laundry detergent (it's even for HE machines), natural cleaners, natural shampoos. I have stopped wearing makeup (except for the rare night out) and using hair products. I don't use sunscreen except sparingly on the kids when out in the sun for prolonged periods.

We are growing a garden but are lacking in space so we supplement with organic veggies. I cook pretty much everything from scratch and don't own a microwave. We don't buy packaged food or junk food. Meat is one area where we need work. I have cut down on the amount we use in dishes and fill up on veggies and grains. I hope we have a successful hunting season in the fall so we can stock the freezer for awhile. I need to source some organic meat sources very soon.

Amanda - posted on 06/23/2011

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I couldnt agree more Joy! Genetic science is amazing, and extremely helpful to the human race, it is for sure not something to be feared. The possibilities are endless, as identical twin I have always been amazed by genetics. One day people will be able to have transplants with no drugs needed to keep the body from rejecting it. The medical possibilities are endless.

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And Amanda, that's just one example. I really think it's fascinating to imagine all the ways this type of science can help the human race. And it always boggles me that so many people put chemicals on their lawns, fertilize their gardens with Miracle Grow, and use all sorts of other toxic chemicals daily (including gasoline)...but they're afraid of a little genetic switcheroo in a green bean. /scratch head

Amanda - posted on 06/23/2011

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Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) is a naturally occurring bacterial disease of insects. These bacteria are the active ingredient in some insecticides.
Bt insecticides are most commonly used against some leaf- and needle-feeding caterpillars. Recently, strains have been produced that affect certain fly larvae, such as mosquitoes, and larvae of leaf beetles.
Bt is considered safe to people and nontarget species, such as wildlife. Some formulations can be used on essentially all food Crops.

Unlike typical nerve-poison insecticides, Bt acts by producing proteins (delta-endotoxin, the "toxic crystal") that reacts with the cells of the gut lining of susceptible insects. These Bt proteins paralyze the digestive system, and the infected insect stops feeding within hours. Bt-affected insects generally die from starvation, which can take several days.

Perhaps the major advantage is that Bt is essentially nontoxic to people, pets and wildlife. This high margin of safety recommends its use on food Crops or in other sensitive sites where pesticide use can cause adverse effects.

http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/insect...

In almost 40 years of widespread use, microbial
Bt products have caused no adverse human
health or environmental effects (EPA, 1998a; Mc-
Clintock et al., 1995). Having been registered in the
United States since 1961, there are currently at least
180 registered microbial Bt products (EPA, 1998b) and
over 120 microbial products in the European Union.
These products have been used continuously since then
for an expanding number of applications in agriculture,
disease vector control, and forestry.

http://training.fws.gov/CSP/Resources/pe...

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Genetic modification of food (like the apple example above) does not involve injecting pesticides or any other chemicals. Genetic modification is done on a cellular level, by adding or removing certain genes into an organism. There are genes in plants, just like in animals and humans, that contain the blueprints for things like size, color, vitamin content, disease resistance, etc. So, by modifying any type of plant, they're simply manipulating it. They're taking something away, or adding something that was either already there naturally or from another plant or organism, to get certain effects. It's really quite interesting to read about. And like I said earlier, with the way our population is expanding, I fully believe that GM food is going to be a large part of our future survival.



@ Samantha ~ I can see how changes in sterilization rules would help your needs, and probably many other's needs as well. But if you look at the big picture, changing sterilization laws is really a drop in the bucket. It's something that will never go global....whereas GM corn (or wheat, or soybeans, rice, etc) can be immediately sent to the places where starvation is happening on a daily basis. This topic will always be controversial though, because many people fear what they don't understand and then for some, it just gives them the heebie jeebies. Me? It makes me hungry :)

Amanda - posted on 06/23/2011

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"The problem with GM foods is they are injected WITH pesticides so that they will be resistant to pesticides. Toxic pesticides which are injected into GM crops, have found their way into the bloodstream of most pregnant women tested. "

Proof??

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But why try to solve the problem by creating more problems?
I am 22 and about to have my second child in August. I asked my doctor if I could have my tubes tied after delivery. He said no, that I have to be 25 or have at least 3 living children before he would even consider it. He says my choices are to go back on the pill (which the child I am pregnant with now was concieved on), get the implant in my arm (which I REFUSE along with the mirena . . . I try to live as naturally as possible, and I have issues with even taking the pill) or the shot (which I tried once and it caused a lot of issues with my body). The only other choice being to abstain, which I also refuse because it is a very healthy, natural thing that helps my husband and I connect on a very spiritual level. So, why then, if we have too many mouths to feed in this, does my doctor, and other doctors to other women, refuse to tie my tubes? When kids at the age of 12 are already starting to reproduce, they can't be sterilized until they are 25?!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/23/2011

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I agree with the fact that we should not have to genetically enhance our food. But the reality of the situation is.....well we are growing in population and need enough food to sustain the amount of people on earth. Unfortunately there are still starving people. Maybe this should be a discussion on population control.

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As our technology advances, rather than using that technology to better ourselves as human beings, we instead use it to make our lives “easier” or so we can become more lazy. Instead of using our free time to better our knowledge of ourselves and the world, we turn the television on, or go shopping, or some other mindless, useless task. I would prefer a simpler life, with out all of the distractions. I prefer to walk where I need to go, if it’s possible. I cringe when I see people at an outdoor strip mall hopping in their cars to drive from one store to another. What a waste. Walking will not only better yourself (physically and mentally) but it will better the Earth we call our home.
People have every right to research vaccines, as well as the food they eat. Look at the Swine Flu Vaccine, where the vaccine itself killed more people that the Flu itself. People are only beginning to become aware of the dangers of vaccines.
The problem with GM food is most people do NOT know better. Perhaps if there were a label on the foods saying they are (or contain) GM people would go home and look up what GM is, exactly. But most people do not even know that the apple they are eating is not an apple nature created.
The problem with GM foods is they are injected WITH pesticides so that they will be resistant to pesticides. Toxic pesticides which are injected into GM crops, have found their way into the bloodstream of most pregnant women tested. Traces of the toxic pesticide were found in 93% of pregnant mothers and 80% of the umbilical cords. Headed by Monsanto, the GM food industry has long asserted that these destructive pesticides would simply pass through the body without harm. Clearly that is not the case. It is wrong that this is going on, with most of American Society completely unaware.
Another danger being the artificially induced characteristics and inevitable side-effects will be passed on to all subsequent generations and to other related organisms. Once released, they can never be recalled or contained. The consequences of this are incalculable. More than 50% of the crops developed by biotechnology companies have been engineered to be resistant to herbicides. Use of herbicide-resistant crops will lead to a threefold increase in the use of herbicides, resulting in even greater pollution of our food and water with toxic agrochemicals.

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Sara, I just brought the corn thing into it because for people who DO eat it, they go to the store and buy these big 'ole ears of corn (the bigger the better, especially when they're cheap in the summer) and no one gives it a second thought. They are modified.

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ummm....we don't eat corn or anything with corn....and since stopping we've been healthier.....if weight loss is an indication of health...I mean a man going from 200lbs to 180lbs just by simple diet changes

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I agree with Tracey.Although i still believe there is taking it to far.For me this is TO FAR.Personally speaking.We should always be concerned about what we put into our bodies.We then can control what we want and what we don't want to put into our body.
If i make any sense, been so sick for a few days.Just back to the land of the living today lol.

JuLeah - posted on 06/23/2011

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I think that for millions of years, nature had it under control, have a handle on things, knew what was going on. Now, after 100 yrs in the lab we come along and think we know better????? We are wrting our own doom and I am sure the other animals on this globe wait eagerly for us to all die off.
I am astounded by what we think we have the right to do .... by how smart and special we think we are ... nature made us to live within nature, but we move further and fruther away. We were not designed to live as we do, eat what we eat, breath in the toxins and fumes we do ..... yet, we are sooo amazingly stupid that our solution to all that ails us is to go back into the lab and make something new ..... nature spent how many millions of years making the tomato something fit for us to eat?
If reincarnation happens, I want to be a dolphin or and elephant next time ... make if I live a good life I will get to advance?

ME - posted on 06/22/2011

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I don't buy GMO's when I can help it or when I know better. I think it is horrible that that stuff can be sold to us without warning/notice...

Desiree - posted on 06/22/2011

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I do not approve of playing with fire and therefor do not approve of playing with genetics. EVER!!! Its a very dangerous and slippery slope and in my opinion very, very dangerous. Never Ever Play with Nature, this have a terrible habit of coming back to bit you on the bum and then you sit with Why did it happen to me. Well When you play with things that are not meant to be played with what do exactly do you think is going to happen. Nothing?? HAHAHAHAH....

Katherine - posted on 06/22/2011

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I don't buy GMO foods for that exact reason. I see the GMO sign on most foods, corn especially. I try to buy organic. And the human breast milk? WTH? That is going waaaay to far. That's sick.

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Geez louis.

People have every right to know what is in their food and where it has come from. Monsanto has no right to sue farmers because of something the wind has done. It's a shame they will probably win because they have more money and and will be cause the farmer's to go bankrupt. Seriously, let's keep food in it's most natural state possible. The reason we are so sick is from all the crappy stuff we do to our food.

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