How far would the Average person go???

Mother - posted on 02/26/2012 ( 51 moms have responded )

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So, as you can see a number of "low income" [specifically the projects] threads are circulating. So how far would the average person go if your children were starving??



Do they have the means to buy the best food?? No. Do they have the means to go to a higher level school?? No. In most cases the area they live has little or no jobs.....so what do they do?? They sell drugs...run guns...and anything else that pays the bills. So, they do this with the intention of getting out BUT the easy money drags them in. Before you know it...someone has been arrested or worse, killed.....and the cycle continues. It breaks my heart.



So, how far would the average person go?? When I was on assistance, as a single Mom, I got $842/month.....my rent alone was $650/month....that sure doesn't leave much left over for groceries...utilities...and the such. I don't know how people do it. I'd be stressed ALL THE TIME and was. So, what would the average person do in order to make ends meet?? Would anyone here break the law?? What if your children were starving?? The food bank only supplies so much. People judge the poverty stricken so harshly but they are only doing the best they can with what they have. So, what would you do??

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Jenny - posted on 02/28/2012

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I prefer raised beds so you have more control over what goes in. They are also easier on your back to tend to. I lined the bottom with weed matting so they couldn't through from the ground beneath. Then I used a modified Square Foot/Intensive planting method and covered with mulch. Basically the veggies squeeze out the weeds.



Kelly, I have heard of you. I follow the backyard chicken debate closely. A friend of mine owns the Kelowna Kluckers site. I'd love to have my own hens someday.

Mother - posted on 02/28/2012

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Good for you Jenny. Isn't it an awesome feeling?? We've been growing our own food for sometime. Last year wasn't as plentiful but this year I hope to have the garden in full swing. We try to live self sufficient. We collect our own water for the gardens. We have chickens that eat all our scraps...till and weed our beds. They live in bottomless coops so all their nitrogen rich droppings fertilize our crops. They produce eggs for us everyday. We did farm share and raised 50 meat chickens and had 7 hogs. Filled our freezers. I have a sprouter that produces fresh baby greens everyday. We try our best. I haven't done as much canning as I'd like to but hopefully this year.!! If you're Canadian Jenny, you might know me.....I'm the resident "Crazy Chicken Lady". The one that is fighting to have chickens in town and cities. Our court case is Nation wide....CTV did a big newsbroadcast just Feb 9 on us. We're also being represented by Karen Selick from the Canadian Constitution Foundation. the same people who represent Michael Schmidt the raw milk guy. Yup.....that's me. I can't take on small fights......I have to go National!! LOL

Jodi - posted on 02/26/2012

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I don't like to see broad sweeping statements like how most people abuse welfare. I see that a lot, and I don't believe most people are abusing it. I believe it is a minority of people who are abusing it. And those who are abusing it, I don't believe they are necessarily doing it as a "how far would you go for your children" situation. I think it is more a "how far would you go so you don't have to work for it" Most people I have known who abuse the welfare system don't tend to go without - they are still smoking their cigarettes and drinking their beer, they are still smoking their dope, they are still spending money on fluff. But as I said, our welfare system is comparatively generous.

Jodi - posted on 02/26/2012

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Well, my ex has been unemployed and sitting on welfare for the last 6 months, because he's discovered he is better off because he only has to pay $30 a month in child support for his 14 year old. I think it's disgraceful personally. There ARE jobs out there, he is just not trying very hard because, as you say, the incentive isn't there.

Jenni - posted on 02/26/2012

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Kelly, we got caught up in the other thread and I think now you have a good understanding on my stance. ;)



But when I was referring to daycare on this one, I was referring to subsidized daycare for parents who wish to obtain their high school diploma, not for work. Sorry, I wasn't very clear on that.



Honestly, I see no issues with single parents needing assistance. There are so many cases where the father or mother isn't in the picture or paying child support. And especially in cases with really young children who are not school aged. I understand how this makes it pretty damn near impossible to find a job or pursue higher education. Considering the cost of daycare. But I see it as temporary.



You already know now, I have nothing against needing assistance. There are times we genuinely do need it. What I take issue with is when there are opportunities and people opt out. Like when the kids are in school full time, it's the perfect time to apply for OSAP and go back to school. Or find a job during school hours.



The cost of daycare is a major player in why I'm a SAHM. So I totally get that concern. I'd pretty much be breaking even if I returned to work now. I'm waiting until my children are in school.

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Chrystal - posted on 02/28/2012

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How far would the average person go? We are a family of 4 both my husband and I are college educated, in the 20-30 age range average I'd say. We went as far as we had to in order to keep a roof over our heads and food in our bellies. we washed our clothing in the bath tub, we stopped driving the car walking in snow storms, we went to every assistance program and let them treat us as like idiots at every opportunity they could, we stopped using any bathing products or household cleaning products, the adults ate one half size meal a day, we jumped into dumpsters to collect cans, we collected things off the street, we sold our blood plasma, we delivered newspapers, we let bills run months past due. It is stressful every minute of the day I couldn't even think of the large issues like 3 months behind in rent I was focused on the "small" issues like a baby that would be hungry in 2 hours and no formula and 60 cents in my pocket with no way to get another dime or the 2 miles to the store in the rain. My husband got on his bicycle and rode 400 miles to the largest city near us and found work if not for that I don't know what would have happened come the 1st of that month. Would I have committed a crime? I didn't but to say it didn't cross my mind a few times would be a lie when you get that desperate you think about which morals you are willing to bend to take care of your family. I've come to believe that no matter how educated or uneducated, no matter where you live when you are a parent and your child has a basic need you do anything and everything you have to; nothing in this world matters more than taking care of your kids not even your preconceived morals and standards.

Mother - posted on 02/28/2012

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Absolutely Janice. Before I had a garden I built vertical trellises and grew my cucumbers up. Worked awesome. And took up little space on my porch.

Janice - posted on 02/28/2012

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In the past every plant we owned, we killed. Hubby and I joke that if it doesnt cry or bark to be fed it wont last. LOL

However, we are really hoping to start a small garden this spring - cucumbers, tomatoes & strawberries.

Gotta start somewhere right?

Mother - posted on 02/28/2012

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Our raised beds are the same size as our chicken coop, so they can go in and clean up after harvest time. We have 2 beds specifically for manure, scraps, worms and the such. We rotate our chickens.



Figured you might have heard of us. We have a Northumberland chapter of CLUCK on Facebook. I tried the square foot method 2 years ago...it was successful but it so hard to not think in ROWS!! LOL I'm not sure what our plans are this year but I've already started gearing up for it. Well, the debate is still on. We go to court April 23rd and April 30th....I'll keep you posted. I just wanna tell them all to CLUCK OFF!!

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/28/2012

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We have a huge garden BUT the darn goat weed has taken it over. We have tried tilling it but nope, we covered it for a year but nope, it will not go away. The only way we figure, is if we get a back hoe in and dig it out and re-fill it. Hard to do when you have neighbours and fences... sigh... I only got to use it one year. The weed came from the neighbours and mass produced in our garden. :(



We had carrots, lettuce, peas, potatoes, cucumbers, kohlarbi (mmmm), beans, tomatoes (we do those on our deck now), onion, squash and zuchinni. My mother and step-father own 200 head of angus beef but honestly I didn't like it at all.... Dunno why, perhaps it was because it was an older cow they slaughtered but it was yucky. *shrugs*



Anyone had to deal with Goat Weed before? Any ideas of getting rid of it? I've researched it but haven't come up with anything that is legal (can't use pesticides and well, we wouldn't want to on our garden anyhow). ;)

Jenny - posted on 02/28/2012

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I'd do whatever it takes to feed my family. I would be in a pretty good position though because I am moving towards a self sustaining lifestyle right now. I think we need to think beyond buying things and think in terms of providing things.



I'm doubling my garden space this year and subletting my MIL's yard as well. I'll be canning my butt off in the fall. I cook everything from scratch and rarely buy prepackaged food. I shop the exterior of the store and make most of my own sauces from scratch. The only exception would be ketchup but I also use it as a base for BBQ sauce. I'm using natural cleaners like vinigar and lemon juice. As I acquire staples in bulk I've been able to reduce my grocery bill by almost $300 per month in the last 6 months. Once my partner is able to hunt (he wasd working outy of town last season) we will be able to save even more and eat cleaner food.



It is very empowering to be able to provide for yourself and once I started I realised there was no end in sight to what I can do.

Janice - posted on 02/28/2012

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I couldn't strip, but I might sell headless naked pictures of myself if there was a market for that sort of thing.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/28/2012

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I'd strip if ALL the lights were off... Light your matches men, MeMe is on her way out to dance the pole!! Whoot Whoot

Mother - posted on 02/28/2012

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LOLOLOLOL @ Rebecca. Surrrrrre, I'd strip. However the onlookers might need therapy afterwards!!

Mrs. - posted on 02/28/2012

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To answer the original question...



Yeah, I don't think I'd do anything illegal because of the long term issues.



However, I'd do a lot of things that are legal, but morally questionable. If anyone would want to see my old ass body, I'd have no problem stripping...you gotta do whatcha gotta do. I don't judge those who have kids and do, but I'm certain I'd be judged for it.



How about you girls?

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/28/2012

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I have been there too.



For education I fought the school board to get my daughter into a "out of area" school. There was no way she was going to the school in my area (Spryfield). I even went as far as to putting her in the Daycare in the other area so I had something to back up my "want" so to speak to have her in a better school. I had to take the transit and at times her and I walked to get there and back.



I used coupons, many of them. I also, multi-store shopped. I watched the flyers and went between 3 stores for the best deals. We ate a lot of hamburger and pork meals, of which, I became a very good cook because I had to figure out different things to make with minimal ingredients. I did not have a car, so we walked to each store and pushed the groceries back in the cart! I couldn't get all the groceries and her on a transit.



I did not have a computer, so I did not have internet.



I did not have full blown cable, we had 12 channels and a VCR. I sometimes had a land line.



I made sure to get an apt that included heat and hot water in the rent.



I used 2nd hand clothing stores most often but family often helped with her clothing. I had to wear 2nd/3rd hand clothing.



I never ever had makeup.



I wore glasses that were so out of date, that when I look at pics I don't recognize myself now... LOL



I got 1050/month on assistance which included child tax. My rent was $550, my bus pass was $80, my electric was $80/month, my cable and phone was $40/month, $40/month to wash our clothes, the remaining $260 went to groceries if there was no other "needs"...



It was hard! I did however, make sure my kid ate proper foods and went to proper schools... ;)



Oh and $5/month for my daughter's ADHD meds (since it was subsidized while on welfare)



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I was always embarrassed to have to say I was on welfare. I hated picking up prescriptions or going to the doctor. It was always a question asked. It was sad. I am so glad I used the system properly and got off of it... there were times we just had no milk or bread.. It was heartbreaking for me, to know I couldn't provide properly for my little girl. I breastfed for 18 months but after that if we had no milk, we had no milk....

Jodi - posted on 02/26/2012

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Ummm...I can't imagine I would ever have the *need* to, but I think I would totally break the law for my kids' wellbeing. But, we'de have to be doing pretty badly, not just, "Oh hey, we're out of milk and diapers, let's go steal some." I 'd reach out to family first, try to find more employment, go back on assistance etc etc.

Stifler's - posted on 02/26/2012

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I've never had to worry about where my next meal is coming from so I can't really say the lengths I'd go to . Welfare here is better than other countries but it's still no way to live.

Merry - posted on 02/26/2012

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I'd probably rely on family or friends and live frugally as possible. Cloth diaper, breastfeed, wash laundry infrequently :)

I don't *think* I'd do anything illegal but honestly if my kid needed some expensive otc medicine or something idk if I'd steal.

I'd likely go to various churches and ask for help, make sure I'm on any state assistence and I would always look for work.

I couldn't be a stripper or prostitute or stuff like that. It would demean my image of myself as a good mom but I guess I might stoop there before breaking the law.

Idk!

I have tons of family and friends who would help me if need arose so I haven't considered what I'd do it I was in such a bad situation

Mother - posted on 02/26/2012

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Kudos to you. I surely wouldn't. Her father has done nothing but give her grief since the day she knew what Dad meant. The only reason we get any support is because the courts TAKE it. He is so selfish and irresponsible. I suppose my situation is different....she would never be with him without me being present so I'd have to pay for 2 flights and I would never do that.

Jodi - posted on 02/26/2012

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Ah, Kelly, if I CAN afford it without sacrificing anything else, I will pay for the flights. If I can't then I won't. As much as I'd like to say no way, I know my son will appreciate the gesture if I can give it. I wouldn't be doing it for my ex, I'd be doing it for my son, because he loves his dad, and misses him a lot. I refuse to stoop to his level, I will always walk the high road.

Mother - posted on 02/26/2012

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:( Sorry Janice....it is so unfair isn't it. I remember getting Milk coupons....people just stop and stare....UGH, I hated it.

Janice - posted on 02/26/2012

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Unfortunately, I know people who abuse the system and I want to open my mouth but instead I keep it shut and keep my distance.



Its totally true that many really do need the help but because of the scammers those who aren't look bad when they do use the system.



My son was a surprise and totally changed our financial standing. I found out I qualified for WIC but was so reluctant to get it. The first entire month I cried for an hour before leaving for the grocery store. I'm mostly ok now but its still unnerving that I have to announce I have a WIC and a manager has to ring out my WIC purchases.

Mother - posted on 02/26/2012

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Janice....after our chatting I ran to the store and got the fixings for Casserole!!! LOL

Mother - posted on 02/26/2012

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Jodi, that is awful. I wouldn't pay a single cent towards the flight. *shaking head* Nope nodda. My daughters father moved far away and makes comments about us coming to him. Fat chance....I say....hold your breath and wait for me to come there. LOL



When we were on assistance I use to turn our heat OFF. Then I ran a small space heater in our bedroom. IT was toasty warm. When she woke up, I'd run downstairs turn the heat on and by the time her butt was changed, and we were washed and dressed the house was warm. I got our heating bill which was about $250 a month in the winter down to $70. There are ways to cut corners....

Janice - posted on 02/26/2012

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Ah, okay Joy. :)



Kelly, not all frozen veggies are a dollar but a 16oz bag of peas and carrots is. Its one of the only veggies I buy frozen - use it in casseroles and add it to mac and cheese lunch.

Jenni - posted on 02/26/2012

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Well it does sort of tie in with topic. On how far people are willing to go for their children. Apparently, some are willing to go farther than others.



I don't make sweeping generalizations on those on assistance. There are those who genuinely need it. And I'd like to think that is the case in the vast majority. But there are those who don't genuinely need it. I won't put those people in the same box as those who do need it. There are situations where furthering education, finding employment is very difficult. But temporary.



I do stand by that our assistance programs are above average. Of course, no system is without their share of problems. But I certainly would rather be poor in Canada than many other places in the world.

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Janice ~ Sorry! I didn't mean to imply that! I was just letting you know that since we're both from NY, you said you weren't sure how the system here works so I was explaining how it works. Sorry! Didn't mean to imply anything :)

Jodi - posted on 02/26/2012

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No, his dad doesn't have a computer. The only contact is by mobile phone, and WE have to ring HIM. He never makes the initiating call (because that costs money too).

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AND I am facing the probability of having to pay for the flights if my son ever wants to see his dad again too. And I just can't afford it at the moment. His dad moved and PROMISED him he would pay for the flights, and now he hasn't seen him for 6 months because no-one can afford them. Not really thinking of his son at all.



I am HOPING I might have enough money by Easter to send him down there for a few days, but we'll see. I am pretty angry about it.

Jenni - posted on 02/26/2012

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That's awful Jodi. My husband makes jokes when we're tied for cash. But we do understand the money is for his daughter. He would never *actually* do it just to pay her less money. It seems like a reasonable amount to me.

Jenni - posted on 02/26/2012

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It's hard sometimes to separate our personal experiences from the topic.The one person that's in the back of my mind in this debate is the mother of my step daughter. She's not all bad. ;)



But it does get frustrating at times watching my hubby bust his balls at his 12/hr a day job 50 hr/week. While she receives CSP, more tax benefits than I get for 2 children, free housing (the same size as our house), new clothes and extras, enough money to join a gym. My SD is in school full time now and she does nothing productive with her time. So yeah... sometimes hard to separate personal experience.



Janice was so right in the other thread. My husband makes cracks all the time about quitting his job because we'd be just as well off on welfare and he makes 22/hr. Considering we'd get max child benefits, he'd pay less CS and qualify for housing. I can't imagine a family surviving off a single min wage income. The working poor have such the short end of the stick. They don't qualify for hardly any help.



I think that is one of the major issues in our country (and I imagine others) not enough incentive for the working poor. You're better off on welfare in many cases!

Mother - posted on 02/26/2012

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LOL...I know...I kept bouncing back and forth between threads trying to figure out which place I posted!! I completely understand your stance. I wasn't offended by anything you said in the least. Even tho these discussions can get heated and we all have our opinions I take it everything with a grain of salt. Lots of people can't grasp a situation because they have just never found themselves in something even remotely similar. I am in the same boat as you....my daughter is of school age but we home school so my options are so limited. The easiest thing I ever did in my ENTIRE life was get up each day and go to work!!! some days I wish I was back in those moments and not wishing I was married and had children!!! LOL



Grass is always greener eh?!?!?

Jodi - posted on 02/26/2012

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I live in Australia, where our welfare system is reasonably generous. It certainly wouldn't cover all my current costs, but if we cut down and moved, we could absolutely get by on it without having to resort to anything so desperate. Of course it wouldn't be ideal, but it would feed us (if we stuck to a strict budget), it would clothe us (if we shopped second hand) and it would put a roof over our heads (albeit not the larger home we live in now, probably more a 2 bedroom apartment, but it's a roof). Education is free here, so I would just move my kids to public school. Medical is free. Utilities are discounted. Sure, we would be scraping, but we could get by without resorting to such desperate measures.



Now let's put that aside and ask if I would do it if pushed to it, I am not sure. My head says no, but that's because I am not, and never have been, in a situation even close to being that desperate. I am not sure I could put myself in those shoes to be able to say yes. I guess, for me, there has always been the knowledge that there are other options.

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a bag of frozen veggies is a $1?? Where...pray tell do you live??



I don't usually buy frozen except for bulk cooking. I bought a bag of mixed veggies for a casserole I was making and even tho it was a large bag and was no name.....it still cost $3.49. I would still buy the veggies over chips any day but i'm trying to figure out if it would be worth my drive to come stock up on $1 bags of veggies!!! LOLOLOLOLOL

Janice - posted on 02/26/2012

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Joy, I definitely agree that you can buy healthy food on food stamps. I'm unsure what I wrote that made you believe differently.



A bag of frozen peas costs a dollar but a bag of chips cost 3 so I dont get how people can say its "cheaper" to buy junk. Now organic is another story. Used to try to eat organically before kids but a family of 4 on one income its just not possible.

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And if there had been Doritos when I was a kid, my mother would have bought them and called them my bread for the day lol

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LOL I mean, we all "give in" to those kinds of things from time to time (well, most of us do) and there's nothing wrong with it. But a person who doesn't know how to cook is more likely to spend their food stamps on things that don't need cooking. Chips, frozen food, etc. I grew up on food stamps and a mother who couldn't cook. I ate lots of spaghetti and pb&j sandwiches lol But that was way back before Doritos existed......great, now I want some Doritos lol

Mother - posted on 02/26/2012

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"give in to other cravings like chips and ice cream" -- just as I was reading this I was shoving a handful of chips into my gaping hole of a mouth. Made me look around, wondering......how did she know?!?!?! LOL

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Janice, I live in NY also and have been on assistance since moving here. We don't qualify for cash assistance but we did qualify for food stamps for awhile. The money given to a family of 3 on our income (which is really just below their "line") was MORE than enough to feed us well and feed us healthily. You can't use your food stamp card at fast food places, only the grocery store. It's about making smart choices, not easy ones. Is it easier to buy a frozen lasagna? For sure. But the same healthy food choices are available to people on food stamps as they are to anyone spending actual money. I think the problem is education. A lot of people don't know how to cook, so to them it's easier to buy frozen dinners and give in to other cravings like chips and ice cream than it is to buy a cook book and try to make something healthy.



To answer the OP, there is NOTHING I wouldn't do to ensure that my son was fed and sheltered. It would have to be an extreme circumstance (like "end of the world as we know it" type thing) to make me resort to stealing or anything else illegal because there are simply too many resources out there to help, especially if you have children. All one needs to do is ask for the help and it's there.....and it's not always something income based either. There's a place here in town that gives away a GIANT stash of food to ANY family who has children. Simply for having my one child, I qualified. 4 times per year I can go and they literally pack my trunk full. Fresh fruit and veggies, some canned things, fresh meat, bread, you name it. I haven't gone in awhile though because we live in a smaller place now and don't have the refrigerator/freezer space to store it. Plus, our rent is way cheaper now and so we don't need the help, so I don't take it. I even let our food stamps slide because we can now afford to buy our own.

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I said no and then just told dispatch I didn't want that run anymore. As nice as the extra $50 a day was [do you know what $50/day can buy when you're broke??] I was a single Mom, what would happen if that package had drugs in it and I got busted?? What would happen if someone jumped me for that package?? so many what ifs!!

Janice - posted on 02/26/2012

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Taxi driving in my area can be extremely dangerous. I mentioned it to my hubby a while back and he vetoed it (I have vetoed him going into the military, so fairs fair) but if I was to be in that situation.......

Hmmm IDK. I would really want to say yes to the man but I think unless my children were actually starving, then no.

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Sucks, doesn't it Janice?? the reason I asked this question is because how I got out was....please don't laugh....I started driving Taxi on the midnight shift. when my daughter was at her Father's on weekends I worked 16 hour days. On the alternating weekends I got my aunt to look after her. Bless her....she charged me all of $25 which I don't even know if it covered the food she would eat.



Granted taxi can be dangerous....its exhausting....and night can be scary but I figured, I'm not in a HUGE city and I'm ONE TOUGH NUT!!! I guess i thought I had enough pent up anger that anyone who decided to mess with me would be in trouble!!! LOL



Of course my boss had to send work sheets in and it was docked off my assistance but there was just enough to make a small difference.



So, one night while working I get a call in for a delivery. I picked up the package and delivered it to its destination and went about my business. The man tipped me HUGE. After sometime I got a call to the same address to deliver a package. The man offered me $50 to come back at certain times and certain days with $50 promised on top of the fare each time so long as I kept my mouth shut. Fishy?? I think so......



What would you do?? Take the offer or decline?

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Would I resort to illegal activity? Probably not. If I got caught and thrown in jail, then where would my kids be?

But there are a variety of other options that would be available to me and I don't feel like resorting to illegal activity would be necessary.

For food and furniture, dumpster diving is an option. Stores throw out a DISGUSTING amount of food that's perfectly fine. It may not be pleasant, but if it fills my kids stomach, I'll do it. Something like that can also be supplemented with a small garden and/or foraging. And honestly, if you can forage in the middle of Vancouver (Stanley Park), you can pretty much forage anywhere. I know a lot of people would say that a garden is not allowed where they are or something like that, but I feel most places would allow a single tomato plant in the window or a small window box for some carrots or herbs or something like that.

Living in Canada, I am guaranteed a certain amount of money for my children (at the lower end of the financial spectrum, I currently get roughly $750 every month)

You can trade favors with other families around you, one watches the kids during the day while the other works, then switch. Or offer to clean the house for them to watch the kids. Something along those lines.

A lot of smaller farms, if you have any kind of transportation, will allow you to trade favors or work for a little bit of produce or whatever. You can also ask around in the small stores, butcher stores, farmers market, etc. There's no guarantee, but there is a reasonable chance.



Obviously that's more of a short term solution, but you do what you gotta do when you gotta do it.

Janice - posted on 02/26/2012

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I truly cant imagine not having food for my children. I live in NY and I have no clue how welfare works but I am under the assumption that everything is separate so you can be poor enough to just receive food stamps or also receive assistance for rent and utilities.



My family does not qualify for food stamps. My hubby works as a machinist in a factory making foam insulation. If they are slow (every winter) my hubby doesnt get overtime and money is very tight. But food comes first. The utilities dont get paid in full if we are low on money. Also we are lucky that currently we rent from my MIL. She will knock 100$ off the rent in exchange for my hubby's manual labor or just because we are really broke.

Now my hubby does enjoy a beer after work and pot too and so those things go when money is tight and I know if things got really bad he might be able to sell pot but, that really freaks me out so I think I would much rather swallow my pride and get food stamps than let drugs be sold in my home! I already get WIC which I had anxiety attacks over accepting but I'm over it now.



I dont work because here 2 children in daycare is 440$ a week and despite my BS I cant find a job that will cover that amount and have anything left over. 7 of my 10 loans are deferred till May. I will have to find a job overnight (not sure when or if I will sleep) to cover my loans and stay home with my kids. It completely sucks!

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It sounds like we live in the same region. I can't agree that we don't have these challenges here. I don't think that these people are just lazy and sitting on the system. I know there are many that are but I don't think it is as prevelent as you think. If they were to get a job many of those supports and subsidies would be taken away. Day care certainly is NOT free. I'd like to know where you live. Here daycare is about $30/day per child. This was part of my problem. Everyone said....put her in daycare but at the wage I could work and the hours I could get, there would be nothing left. So what is a person to do?? People don't want to be on the system...I think the system makes it so many CAN'T get off of it.

Jenni - posted on 02/26/2012

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As I said in the other thread. It depends on where you live. Where I live everyone has equal education, healthcare, opportunities to pursue higher education, subsidized housing, free daycare services for those who wish to finish their HS diploma. Extra benefits for children from the government in the form of universal and child tax benefits. Government student loans are easy to obtain and cover cost of living. As well as plenty of other services to help with job searching and finding gainful employment.



I can understand some of the concerns in other countries, but we really don't have these challenges here. They do exist, there are always those who slip through the cracks, unfortunately... but for the most part, we don't leave our poor behind.

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