How much to tip?

Louise - posted on 11/24/2009 ( 59 moms have responded )

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I usually tip 15%-20% in dine-in restaurants. I tip somewhat 10% in buffets. But how much do I tip those people in front of registers, if I get my own food? It's not like I give tip to cashiers at target.

Do you think we should even tip at all if they're being paid hourly in the first place and don't serve your food?

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I always tip. If someone makes me something, brings it to me - I tip. Dunkin' Donuts- tip. Starbucks - tip. Buffets, restaraunts, bars / pubs, yes, I tip. If I get carry out- I STILL tip.



I think the only places that I don't are Mc Donalds (If I ever HAVE to go to one - I usually don't go to fast food chains if I can avoid it)

If it's a restaurant with servers, I tip whether I'm eating in or dining out. If I smoke a cigarette at the bar in a restaurant while my family is back at the table - I tip the bartender for 'use' of her clean ashtray.



I've been a bartender all of my adult life, and I'll tell you something right now.......for everything that a waitress / bartender / server / counter person goes through during the day- I leave a tip.



It's funny...It's almost like some of you have NO idea what they do for their jobs. "Oh, they brought me a plate and a refill". BULLSHIT. They have to clean up your mess, touch your ABC food on your leftover plates, clean up after your kids that you WOULDN"T LET MAKE THAT MESS at home, refill condiments, fold napkins, silverware, reset tables, deal with needy, whiny assholes (like the ones that can't EVER seem to all figure out that their friend needs mustard, but they don't need another pepsi UNTIL you come back with the mustard)

......and then after "assholes at table 2" run them ragged with stupid requests, they have to come over and put all their "eff off table 2" feelings away to be nice to you. Most servers also have to wait for all of their tables to finish before they can get off shift so they can finish their sidework ( clearing dishes, sweeping the mess from under the table, table resets etc) ...BUT... guess what? While you wait for that lingering table to leave - if you go over your shift time - you get clocked out. You STILL have to wait to finish sidework, and NOW you're not even getting the 2.35.

Leave 'em a couple of friggin bucks.

Throw your 37 cents change from your coffee in the damn tip jar.

Would it kill ya? Really?

Servers (here) make $2.35 an hour. (Some states it's up to a whopping 4.06 an hour) They get taxed on that AND their tips. They also have to tip out bartenders, busboys, etc. How much do you think is left of their money after that?

Most servers / bartenders that I know bust their asses for the money they make. If the service sucks - fine, complain - if it doesn't get better and it's your WAITER / WAITRESSES fault, then don't tip. If it's 'too long getting food?- well, servers don't cook. That'd be the cook's fault. Complain to the manager - but don't stiff the person that 's running their ass off for you- and probably 12 - 15 other tables at the same time.



And that's my "eff you and your shitty tip" rant from a '19 years' career bartender / food service / hospitality worker.

Ez - posted on 11/28/2009

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I don't tip. There, I said it!! LOL

Like the other Aussies said, it's just not customary here. Workers get paid an award wage, with the ability to work their way up to higher rates if they so choose, and a union to look out for their interests. I am paying their wage by buying their food.. I feel no obligation to tip as well. They are doing a job, just as I do mine.

I worked retail for a long ass time. I touched people's grotty smelly feet while they tried on 145675 pairs of shoes that I got for them. I fitted bras for women who smelt like they had not bathed in 4 days. I rang 7864654 stores looking for this one particular pair of jeans that this customer JUST HAD TO HAVE!!! And guess what? No tip.

Now I'm a medical receptionist. I deal with sick and stressed people all day. I clean up vomit (and just about every other bodily fluid you can imagine). I am the first line of triage when a patient rings in and I have to listen to Mr Joe Bloggs tell me about his haemorroids. I have patients abuse the living shit out of me because they have to wait a day for their appointment. I have nursing home staff abuse the living shit out of me because they didn't get their medication chart faxed back within 10 minutes of it coming off my fax machine. I get pharmacists abusing the living shit out of me because they can't find the prescription that I faxed to them. I call in favours with other receptionists and specialists' surgeries to get our patients an earlier appointment. I walk lil old ladies across the road so they don't get skittled on their way to the chemist. And again... NO TIP.

I realise that it's a completely different situation in the US, and the fact that servers are working for 2 bucks an hour is insane. But the onus to fix that problem should fall with the employers and hospitality industry, not the customers. And yes, the customers ultimately pay for it anyway through the price of their meal or drink or whatever, but the very idea that part of your wage comes at the discretion of a customer is so wrong to me.

Amie - posted on 11/25/2009

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At the very very least our workers are making minimum wage. (here it's 9.25 an hour, each province is different but the lowest is $8 an hour) In my city there is also a high cost of living rate. But those same people can survive quite well off that wage. They pay less taxes than same my husband and I who make quite a bit more than they do. So they are benefiting from a lot of our social programs. If they have children their child tax benefit will be higher than the one we get each month. Depending on the province their extended benefits will even be covered by the provincial government because they are low income. They would qualify for the GST rebate that's given out quarterly. There are even rental supplements in my province to help out low income families. There are a lot of avenues these people can take if they can not survive off just their income. Though if you budget properly and live within your means you should be able too.

But with that said I still tip. They do have to earn it though. I've been a server, I understand how crappy it can be, how many assholes are out there, etc. It was still my job to take care of my customers and make sure they had a good experience. Regardless of everything else if a person has a bad experience with their server they are less likely to come back. Repeat business is a big deal. So is word of mouth. If you can't be a pleasant person to your customers and put your personal feelings aside you should not be a server.

Tips should not be expected, they should be earned. In the states I can understand why people feel they should tip each time. It's just different in other places.

Sarah - posted on 11/25/2009

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I ALWAYS tip. I spent many years as a waitress, and it was probably the most demanding job i've had. I worked mostly in hotels, so it was split shifts, 7:30am til 2pm then back in at 6 til god knows when. Sometimes when we had big functions, wedding receptions etc, we would literally be there all day, half the night and then in all the earlier the next day to clear it all up!

I've worked all over xmas, including xmas day. New Years eve, New years day, you name it, i've worked it, and worked hard.

I will say tho that being a waitress is still hands down the most FUN job i've ever had too!

I like to tip because a) i know what a damn hard and demanding job it can be (and they mostly only get minimum wage for their efforts)
and b) because a lot of the time you do get genuinely AMAZING service, as in they show some personality as well as all the clearing of plates etc etc.

Working in hotels we would get some GREAT tips, and i think that's because the guests were there for a week or so, we would serve mostly the same tables every day, and they get to know you.

Other jobs, you get bonuses for reaching targets or whatever, a little extra in your pay packet, well tips are like that for waiting staff really. It's sort of the customers way of saying thankyou for going that extra mile and making the whole experience a bit brighter. That's the way i see it anyway.

So be kind and tip!!!! LOL! :)

Nichole - posted on 11/24/2009

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My sister works at starbucks and they do have a tip jar...Believe me, they are not begging, I did read that some where through this point. Starbucks employees make a little over minimum wage. My sister is a shift supervisor and makes 8 some thing an hour so those tips help her out at the end of the week. I do believe in tipping the starbucks employees because they are preparing some thing for you that they had to go through a long training process to learn how to make. I am certainly not going to tip a cashier at a super market but in the food business if some one is making something for you they would like a tip and deserve one. It's just like going into a bar, if you order a beer are not going to tip the bartender? All they did was open your beer. The bartender also makes an hourly and in some stated they consider a bartender to have a trade and get paid more than minimum wage, like Connecticut.
I am a bartender and when someone comes into the bar and doesn't tip me I won't rush to get them a beer the next time.

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Another Australian viewpoint here - I tip if the service/food/atmosphere is above the ordinary, never as a matter of course. The customer shouldn't have to make up the shortfall in wages. That's the employer's job. Sounds like restaurant staff need a good strong union!

Michelle - posted on 01/29/2010

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I am a very good tipper-- usually 25%-- 20% if it I wasn't satisfied, and 15% if something really bad happened. I don't EVER not tip at a restaurant or whatever because I usually feel like there must be some outside factor that I don't know about. My mom was a server for years and I remember one night that she came home from work when she thought I was asleep, called her best friend, and cried for like an hour about her job.... It's horrible the way people treat employees. If you just ran into someone on the street, you would be polite to them (LOL I hope..... haha). But when that person is bringing your food to your table, that gives you the right to be an asshole? Ugh. (btw "you" in general lol not YOU specifically)

However I do not tip people who don't do something directly for me-- the cashier doesn't need a tip, they didn't do anything. The chick who made my smoothie at Inta Juice, or the guy who got my car for me after the concert, yes-- they did something directly for me, and (generally speaking) they're paid less hourly BECAUSE they get tips.

Nikki - posted on 01/29/2010

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I was a bartender for many years when I started I made 6$ an hour in wages, now it's up to 8$ so yes I tip and I tip well , but it must be deserved, I won't tip a useless server, If it's busy I understand but if they are plain lazy then no. But b/c I worked in the service industry I understand that the hourly is not going to pay any bills and also we tip out on each bill anywhere up to 5% of the total . SO if someone came in and didn't leave a tip I was practically paying to serve them:(

Kelsey - posted on 12/15/2009

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I am a very generous tipper, but do not tip them. Just never thought it was necessary.

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Quoting Jenn:



Quoting Betsy:




Quoting Jenn:

***edited for disclaimer***
*****This is not a reply to the OP or to any of the members that have posted on this thread - it's just the truth from someone in the business.*******

I always tip. If someone makes me something, brings it to me - I tip. Dunkin' Donuts- tip. Starbucks - tip. Buffets, restaraunts, bars / pubs, yes, I tip. If I get carry out- I STILL tip.

I think the only places that I don't are Mc Donalds (If I ever HAVE to go to one - I usually don't go to fast food chains if I can avoid it)
If it's a restaurant with servers, I tip whether I'm eating in or dining out. If I smoke a cigarette at the bar in a restaurant while my family is back at the table - I tip the bartender for 'use' of her clean ashtray.

I've been a bartender all of my adult life, and I'll tell you something right now.......for everything that a waitress / bartender / server / counter person goes through during the day- I leave a tip.

It's funny...It's almost like some of you have NO idea what they do for their jobs. "Oh, they brought me a plate and a refill". BULLSHIT. They have to clean up your mess, touch your ABC food on your leftover plates, clean up after your kids that you WOULDN"T LET MAKE THAT MESS at home, refill condiments, fold napkins, silverware, reset tables, deal with needy, whiny assholes (like the ones that can't EVER seem to all figure out that their friend needs mustard, but they don't need another pepsi UNTIL you come back with the mustard)
......and then after "assholes at table 2" run them ragged with stupid requests, they have to come over and put all their "eff off table 2" feelings away to be nice to you. Most servers also have to wait for all of their tables to finish before they can get off shift so they can finish their sidework ( clearing dishes, sweeping the mess from under the table, table resets etc) ...BUT... guess what? While you wait for that lingering table to leave - if you go over your shift time - you get clocked out. You STILL have to wait to finish sidework, and NOW you're not even getting the 2.35.
Leave 'em a couple of friggin bucks.
Throw your 37 cents change from your coffee in the damn tip jar.
Would it kill ya? Really?
Servers (here) make $2.35 an hour. (Some states it's up to a whopping 4.06 an hour) They get taxed on that AND their tips. They also have to tip out bartenders, busboys, etc. How much do you think is left of their money after that?
Most servers / bartenders that I know bust their asses for the money they make. If the service sucks - fine, complain - if it doesn't get better and it's your WAITER / WAITRESSES fault, then don't tip. If it's 'too long getting food?- well, servers don't cook. That'd be the cook's fault. Complain to the manager - but don't stiff the person that 's running their ass off for you- and probably 12 - 15 other tables at the same time.

And that's my "eff you and your shitty tip" rant from a '19 years' career bartender / food service / hospitality worker.








I agree. It doesn't hurt to tip a bit, but many times all those tips together make up 1/2 or more of their weekly salary. Expected tips earned are considered part of their income, which is why they are paid much less than the minimum wage. No one would want to go to work and only get paid 1/2 of their salary after a long week with bills to pay. Just consider the tip as part of the cost. I tip $1 a coffee usually at a coffee place. If I get a bunch for a crowd, and they handle the order well, I throw a few more dollars in. At restaurants, we tip 15-20% for average service, but if someone makes the dinner nice and puts the time in, we tip 25-30%, and up to 40% if we have all the kids with us because they have to get multiple high chairs and fit us in at a table that works for 3 toddlers which is extra work beyond their normal job. If the service is horrible, we tip a small token amount to let them know we didn't forget, but they sucked. And I agree the waitstaff is not responsible for the food. Their job isn't to cook it, so they shouldn't be penalized if another person doesn't do their job well.









You're more than welcome to visit me at work any time!






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Oh you better believe I am going to tip well when we walk in with 5 kids, including 3 toddlers. I serve all these people daily and know how it can be a PITA lol.

~Jennifer - posted on 12/15/2009

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Quoting Betsy:



Quoting Jenn:

***edited for disclaimer***
*****This is not a reply to the OP or to any of the members that have posted on this thread - it's just the truth from someone in the business.*******

I always tip. If someone makes me something, brings it to me - I tip. Dunkin' Donuts- tip. Starbucks - tip. Buffets, restaraunts, bars / pubs, yes, I tip. If I get carry out- I STILL tip.

I think the only places that I don't are Mc Donalds (If I ever HAVE to go to one - I usually don't go to fast food chains if I can avoid it)
If it's a restaurant with servers, I tip whether I'm eating in or dining out. If I smoke a cigarette at the bar in a restaurant while my family is back at the table - I tip the bartender for 'use' of her clean ashtray.

I've been a bartender all of my adult life, and I'll tell you something right now.......for everything that a waitress / bartender / server / counter person goes through during the day- I leave a tip.

It's funny...It's almost like some of you have NO idea what they do for their jobs. "Oh, they brought me a plate and a refill". BULLSHIT. They have to clean up your mess, touch your ABC food on your leftover plates, clean up after your kids that you WOULDN"T LET MAKE THAT MESS at home, refill condiments, fold napkins, silverware, reset tables, deal with needy, whiny assholes (like the ones that can't EVER seem to all figure out that their friend needs mustard, but they don't need another pepsi UNTIL you come back with the mustard)
......and then after "assholes at table 2" run them ragged with stupid requests, they have to come over and put all their "eff off table 2" feelings away to be nice to you. Most servers also have to wait for all of their tables to finish before they can get off shift so they can finish their sidework ( clearing dishes, sweeping the mess from under the table, table resets etc) ...BUT... guess what? While you wait for that lingering table to leave - if you go over your shift time - you get clocked out. You STILL have to wait to finish sidework, and NOW you're not even getting the 2.35.
Leave 'em a couple of friggin bucks.
Throw your 37 cents change from your coffee in the damn tip jar.
Would it kill ya? Really?
Servers (here) make $2.35 an hour. (Some states it's up to a whopping 4.06 an hour) They get taxed on that AND their tips. They also have to tip out bartenders, busboys, etc. How much do you think is left of their money after that?
Most servers / bartenders that I know bust their asses for the money they make. If the service sucks - fine, complain - if it doesn't get better and it's your WAITER / WAITRESSES fault, then don't tip. If it's 'too long getting food?- well, servers don't cook. That'd be the cook's fault. Complain to the manager - but don't stiff the person that 's running their ass off for you- and probably 12 - 15 other tables at the same time.

And that's my "eff you and your shitty tip" rant from a '19 years' career bartender / food service / hospitality worker.






I agree. It doesn't hurt to tip a bit, but many times all those tips together make up 1/2 or more of their weekly salary. Expected tips earned are considered part of their income, which is why they are paid much less than the minimum wage. No one would want to go to work and only get paid 1/2 of their salary after a long week with bills to pay. Just consider the tip as part of the cost. I tip $1 a coffee usually at a coffee place. If I get a bunch for a crowd, and they handle the order well, I throw a few more dollars in. At restaurants, we tip 15-20% for average service, but if someone makes the dinner nice and puts the time in, we tip 25-30%, and up to 40% if we have all the kids with us because they have to get multiple high chairs and fit us in at a table that works for 3 toddlers which is extra work beyond their normal job. If the service is horrible, we tip a small token amount to let them know we didn't forget, but they sucked. And I agree the waitstaff is not responsible for the food. Their job isn't to cook it, so they shouldn't be penalized if another person doesn't do their job well.





You're more than welcome to visit me at work any time!



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Betsy - posted on 12/15/2009

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Quoting Jenn:

***edited for disclaimer***
*****This is not a reply to the OP or to any of the members that have posted on this thread - it's just the truth from someone in the business.*******

I always tip. If someone makes me something, brings it to me - I tip. Dunkin' Donuts- tip. Starbucks - tip. Buffets, restaraunts, bars / pubs, yes, I tip. If I get carry out- I STILL tip.

I think the only places that I don't are Mc Donalds (If I ever HAVE to go to one - I usually don't go to fast food chains if I can avoid it)
If it's a restaurant with servers, I tip whether I'm eating in or dining out. If I smoke a cigarette at the bar in a restaurant while my family is back at the table - I tip the bartender for 'use' of her clean ashtray.

I've been a bartender all of my adult life, and I'll tell you something right now.......for everything that a waitress / bartender / server / counter person goes through during the day- I leave a tip.

It's funny...It's almost like some of you have NO idea what they do for their jobs. "Oh, they brought me a plate and a refill". BULLSHIT. They have to clean up your mess, touch your ABC food on your leftover plates, clean up after your kids that you WOULDN"T LET MAKE THAT MESS at home, refill condiments, fold napkins, silverware, reset tables, deal with needy, whiny assholes (like the ones that can't EVER seem to all figure out that their friend needs mustard, but they don't need another pepsi UNTIL you come back with the mustard)
......and then after "assholes at table 2" run them ragged with stupid requests, they have to come over and put all their "eff off table 2" feelings away to be nice to you. Most servers also have to wait for all of their tables to finish before they can get off shift so they can finish their sidework ( clearing dishes, sweeping the mess from under the table, table resets etc) ...BUT... guess what? While you wait for that lingering table to leave - if you go over your shift time - you get clocked out. You STILL have to wait to finish sidework, and NOW you're not even getting the 2.35.
Leave 'em a couple of friggin bucks.
Throw your 37 cents change from your coffee in the damn tip jar.
Would it kill ya? Really?
Servers (here) make $2.35 an hour. (Some states it's up to a whopping 4.06 an hour) They get taxed on that AND their tips. They also have to tip out bartenders, busboys, etc. How much do you think is left of their money after that?
Most servers / bartenders that I know bust their asses for the money they make. If the service sucks - fine, complain - if it doesn't get better and it's your WAITER / WAITRESSES fault, then don't tip. If it's 'too long getting food?- well, servers don't cook. That'd be the cook's fault. Complain to the manager - but don't stiff the person that 's running their ass off for you- and probably 12 - 15 other tables at the same time.

And that's my "eff you and your shitty tip" rant from a '19 years' career bartender / food service / hospitality worker.



I agree. It doesn't hurt to tip a bit, but many times all those tips together make up 1/2 or more of their weekly salary. Expected tips earned are considered part of their income, which is why they are paid much less than the minimum wage. No one would want to go to work and only get paid 1/2 of their salary after a long week with bills to pay. Just consider the tip as part of the cost. I tip $1 a coffee usually at a coffee place. If I get a bunch for a crowd, and they handle the order well, I throw a few more dollars in. At restaurants, we tip 15-20% for average service, but if someone makes the dinner nice and puts the time in, we tip 25-30%, and up to 40% if we have all the kids with us because they have to get multiple high chairs and fit us in at a table that works for 3 toddlers which is extra work beyond their normal job. If the service is horrible, we tip a small token amount to let them know we didn't forget, but they sucked. And I agree the waitstaff is not responsible for the food. Their job isn't to cook it, so they shouldn't be penalized if another person doesn't do their job well.

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I only tip in "sit down" restaurants and places like hotels/spas, bars and salons. I do not tip in buffets...not that I go to many..but the ones I have gone to...why would I tip? I serve myself, it's impossible to catch someone if you need something and all they do is wipe up the counters and put fresh food out ever couple hours if ur lucky. Um..so no tip there. Coffee shops? Nope. Bars? Absolutely..I was a bartender for a few months and I know how tough that job can be....I am a very generous tipper in restaurants, salons/spas, etc. But I don't tip everyone just because they did something for me...that's just ridiculous.

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We don't tip here in New Zealand here.
I've recently started working in a souvineer shop and I've been given a few buisness cards from some Americans offering their hospitality if I ever went over.

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Never considered the staff discount. I do get one of those - thanks for reminding me, I guess I'm so used to it that I don't think of it any more. Our managemnt definately doesn't share the wealth, you've been lucky.

Sarah - posted on 11/26/2009

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Quoting Wanda:






Someone mentioned in another post that people in reatil get bonuses, I want to know where that is so I can apply.  The only people I know in retail who get bonuses are upper management and they'll cut any corners they can to make sure they get it too.





The 2 retail stores i've worked in, Focus a DIY store and ASDA a supermarket, everyone received bonuses. Granted, the management would see the vast majority of it, but every member of staff would receive some sort of bonus, the amount you got depended on your position in the store and then on how many hrs you worked.



Perhaps it's not as widespread as i thought, but that's been my experience.



There's also often other benefits to working in retail, such as shares in the company, discounts and pension schemes that aren't readily available in waiting jobs.



As i said tho, i'm only going on my own experiences :)

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Quoting dana:

What exactly does someone do in retail to warrant a tip? Not being rude here, I just don't know. I've never had a time where I thought I should tip someone in retail and I'm big on tipping.



I should have been more clear.  I wasn't talking about everyday kind of stuff but going above and beyond what is expected.  It's wasn't my job to help carry large/heavy items to elderly peoples cars but I've done it (that's when I was offered the tip mentioned in the post).  I shouldn't have to clean up after someone's kids who's peed themselves standing in line because their parents were too @%#$@^ lazy to take them to the washroom but I've done it.  I shouldn't have to put up with all kinds of yahoos calling me all kinds of names because we no longer carry a certain product but I've done that too.  The list goes on and I don't want to turn this into a retail workers rant.



 



I mean no disrespect to anyone who works in the service industry, I could never do it, I would *accidently* spill hot soup on someone's lap and that would be the end of it.  I just think that no matter where you work a little extra thank you would be nice.



 



Someone mentioned in another post that people in reatil get bonuses, I want to know where that is so I can apply.  The only people I know in retail who get bonuses are upper management and they'll cut any corners they can to make sure they get it too.

Dana - posted on 11/25/2009

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Quoting Amie:

It's just different in different places Dana. If you were getting 9.25 an hour and screwed up would you still expect a tip? I wouldn't, no matter how big or small the screw up was. 9.25 an hour is more than enough. A lot of what we base our tips on is attitude. If you have a crappy attitude I'm not tipping. I didn't go out to eat to get attitude from a stranger. This has happened rarely though.



Yes, I do understand it's different in different places.  I was comenting on what you had sad in an earlier post:  "Tips should not be expected, they should be earned. In the states I can understand why people feel they should tip each time. It's just different in other places". 



I was commenting on the States part.  :)





Also, if I were in a store that waited on me hand and foot of course I would tip also.

Amie - posted on 11/25/2009

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It's just different in different places Dana. If you were getting 9.25 an hour and screwed up would you still expect a tip? I wouldn't, no matter how big or small the screw up was. 9.25 an hour is more than enough. A lot of what we base our tips on is attitude. If you have a crappy attitude I'm not tipping. I didn't go out to eat to get attitude from a stranger. This has happened rarely though.

As for retail if you go to some high end stores they do have workers who service just you. I've been to a couple boutiques that do this. They took me to the back, sat me down, got me something to drink and asked what I was looking for. Then they ran through the store looking for things and bringing it to me. Those kinds of retail stores I tip at. They work hard for what they earn, they certainly don't expect a tip but I do like to show that their hard work is appreciated. After all I just sit and drink while they are basically doing everything except for changing me. lol!

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What exactly does someone do in retail to warrant a tip? Not being rude here, I just don't know. I've never had a time where I thought I should tip someone in retail and I'm big on tipping.

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I agree Amie but, I would like to say, you still have to do your job to get paid. There were times where I did screw up and I didn't expect a 20% tip. Now I never screwed up to the point of no tip though.

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Speaking as someone who's worked retail for way to long, I think anyone who's had the 'pleasure' *said with complete sarcasm* of working with the public needs a tip. I don't care if it's restaurants, hotels, retail etc. Anyone who's done these jobs knows that it's hard work and we have to deal with some real assholes while smiling the whole time and most of us barely get minimum wage.

That said, there's a policy in place at my store that says were not allowed to accept any kind of tip from a customer, we can be fired if we do. I've had to turn down customers who've offered to give me a little something for my time. Is that fair? I think not.

Back on topic, I tip 15% if I eat in a nice restaurant, less for a buffet and never at a fast food joint. I don't got to coffee houses (Starbucks) so I can't comment on the tip jars.

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Quoting Traci:



Quoting Marabeth:

i tip in those registers, even if the people in front of the cups don't touch my food.. usually at those places there's a tip share where at the end of shifts everyone splits what is in there. a tip (in the US) is a minor compensation for a service rendered. so if the service was rendered in an exemplary fashion you should give extra. food service (or lots of other service people, really) employees are often not paid well and it's a nice thing to do for them.. i am by no means rich and often we're scraping by but if i can't afford a dollar tip for coffee then i probably can't afford the coffee in the first place. here in oregon it is illegal to pump your own gas so there's attendants at every station.. ill give them a $20 and have them give me $19 in gas. of course, i've been a cook and chef all my life and have many food service employees as friends... i understand what they're going through.






I think that is about one of the dumbest things in the world that Oregonians cannot pump their own gas.  The rest of us can handle it just fine.  It's not brain surgery......I think you guys are getting hosed. :(





I don't know that we really pay that much more than most people.. our gas is always a little bit under the national average.  right now it's $2.54/gallon down the street.. a lot of people keep moving here, too and our unemployment is so high I can't imagine that many more people who pump gas out of a job.  i like it, i see nothing wrong with it.  obviously it's not brain surgery and i've pumped my own gas several times (i've only lived here five and a half years) but i think it's better this way.  if for no other reason than it's just safer..

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Lol..I used to live in Jersey and it is some thing with the insurance that you are not aloud to pump your own gas but I have never heard of them fining anyone who wants to pump it them selves or get out of the car, that is just crazy. I have pumped my own gas in Jersey cause the attendant was taking to long and I was in a rush and they did call the police on me or anything..

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I always tip at bars and restaurants well. If it's a place like quiznos or subway, I will stick my coin change in the jar if they have one. I don't tip the gas attendant if I choose to go to one of those because they charge more per gallon as their tip.

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But then...if there is no tip jar...I throw the money in the charity box beside the cash anyway :)

But former servers are never the rule...always the exception.

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@dana it's part deli, part buffet take out place. Quite strange, first time I went there was 2 weeks ago. Was just baffled by the tip jar, I guess it's for people who order sandwiches or other kind souls.



Okay, that I do tip but not 20%

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hmmm...I also have spent considerable time serving (on the floor and behind the bar)...I generally start at 15% (if I am basically ignored, food served, bad attitude, drop the check) but if I can see that it's a busy night and the waitress/bartender is slammed the tip goes up from there...cause I know they are getting short changed by a bunch of assholes who don't know the difference. I also tip higher for waitresses that are obviously having a rough night. I'm not so sure about fast food places...I generally throw loose change in their jar, but do not care what the percentage is...sorry.

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Quoting Traci:



Quoting Jenn:




Quoting Traci:





Quoting Marabeth:

i tip in those registers, even if the people in front of the cups don't touch my food.. usually at those places there's a tip share where at the end of shifts everyone splits what is in there. a tip (in the US) is a minor compensation for a service rendered. so if the service was rendered in an exemplary fashion you should give extra. food service (or lots of other service people, really) employees are often not paid well and it's a nice thing to do for them.. i am by no means rich and often we're scraping by but if i can't afford a dollar tip for coffee then i probably can't afford the coffee in the first place. here in oregon it is illegal to pump your own gas so there's attendants at every station.. ill give them a $20 and have them give me $19 in gas. of course, i've been a cook and chef all my life and have many food service employees as friends... i understand what they're going through.










I think that is about one of the dumbest things in the world that Oregonians cannot pump their own gas.  The rest of us can handle it just fine.  It's not brain surgery......I think you guys are getting hosed. :(













....can't do it in Jersey either - they'll actually fine you for touching a gas pump. You're not even allowed to get out of your car.









That is crazy!!!  What is their reasoning for that?  Just to eff with people??? :)






It falls under 'business insurance and negligence'



 



Did you know that if you touch your car AND the pump at the same time, there's a chance your static electricity could spark enough to flame up the gas fumes?



(yeah, that happens a lot....BUT in NJ - someone sued for it)



so NOW, you can't even get out of your car (legally) near a gas pump.



(or, people in Jersey are just whiny idiots - SO glad I left before i got that way )



 (no comments from the peanut gallery on that statement^ please)



=)

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Quoting Traci:



Quoting Marabeth:

i tip in those registers, even if the people in front of the cups don't touch my food.. usually at those places there's a tip share where at the end of shifts everyone splits what is in there. a tip (in the US) is a minor compensation for a service rendered. so if the service was rendered in an exemplary fashion you should give extra. food service (or lots of other service people, really) employees are often not paid well and it's a nice thing to do for them.. i am by no means rich and often we're scraping by but if i can't afford a dollar tip for coffee then i probably can't afford the coffee in the first place. here in oregon it is illegal to pump your own gas so there's attendants at every station.. ill give them a $20 and have them give me $19 in gas. of course, i've been a cook and chef all my life and have many food service employees as friends... i understand what they're going through.






I think that is about one of the dumbest things in the world that Oregonians cannot pump their own gas.  The rest of us can handle it just fine.  It's not brain surgery......I think you guys are getting hosed. :(






....can't do it in Jersey either - they'll actually fine you for touching a gas pump. You're not even allowed to get out of your car.

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Hahaha thats a plan Jenn or you can work in the poker machine room where drunk people win big and tip even bigger , my friend worked at the bar in the pokie room and would come home with $100 tips once she came home with over 400 $ worth of tips AND she was getting paid $20 an hour .



Now, my bartending ranged anywhere from 200 - 800 (more on holidays) a night - depending on the night of the week, the 'regulars' and the 'drink specials' (and how much you can 'give away' and hide somewhere in the books at the end of the night - usually 'complimentary' draft beers or shots  ( ie: guy needs 5 shots you tell him " You pay for 4 and I'll buy yours" = better tip.)



200 a night was a regular bar, 8-10 hour shift + 3 -4  hours to clean up and restock.   Start shift at 6, close bar at 2:30, lock up and leave at about 5 am.



800 nights were packed clubs, 3-4 deep at the bar, 8 hour shift, and a 4 hour clean / restock.



 



After tip out, the 200 dollar night became a 120 - 150  night, and the 800 night became a 500 night (after tip outs)



That's pretty much how it works.

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Hahaha thats a plan Jenn or you can work in the poker machine room where drunk people win big and tip even bigger , my friend worked at the bar in the pokie room and would come home with $100 tips once she came home with over 400 $ worth of tips AND she was getting paid $20 an hour .

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Quoting Jenn:




Quoting Loureen:

Why is it those jobs arent paid proper wages here in Australia bartenders get paid between $18 - $ 20 an hour , more than teachers !!








'cause you're all a bunch of drunks.








 








;)









Its true * hangs head * LMAO .






it's ok....although you DO have me thinking that I should bartend in Australia.  I'd work at a resort - where the American tourists  were still habitual tippers.  THINK of the MONEY!!!!!



"do you accept tips?"



*best Aussie accent* "why yes, we do, thank you!"



****SUCKER***



 



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k.....i type stuff and only half of it posts.....what's going on here?

Please check for edits.

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@Jenn, now I am, before I got my first job, I went into retail while looking for development work. My mom kicked me out after I graduated college, so I had to find any job and quick! I know how it feels to bust your ass but still underpaid.

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Quoting Jenn:



Quoting Loureen:

Why is it those jobs arent paid proper wages here in Australia bartenders get paid between $18 - $ 20 an hour , more than teachers !!






'cause you're all a bunch of drunks.






 






;)





Its true * hangs head * LMAO .

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@loureen wow! i should've worked at an australian bar than busted my ass in retail.



Retail?  I thought you were a software developer?



Must have my "Louises' mixed up.....lol





Either way, tipping - if there's an expectation by service, or a 'tip cup' for change - is considered proper.

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Quoting Loureen:

Why is it those jobs arent paid proper wages here in Australia bartenders get paid between $18 - $ 20 an hour , more than teachers !!



'cause you're all a bunch of drunks.



 



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@loureen wow! i should've worked at an australian bar than busted my ass in retail.

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Oh ok , um sorry one more question because im curios .
Why is it those jobs arent paid proper wages here in Australia bartenders get paid between $18 - $ 20 an hour , more than teachers !!

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@dana it's part deli, part buffet take out place. Quite strange, first time I went there was 2 weeks ago. Was just baffled by the tip jar, I guess it's for people who order sandwiches or other kind souls.

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Sorry , but am i right in thinking majority of wages over there are made in tips ????



In restaurant / pub jobs- yes.

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I apologize for the empty post, my post didn't post correct

@Jenn

That's a great question. But should we also tip the janitor, public services personnel, doctors? We probably are paying for food/products that are 400% marked up. Why does the burden of paying these employees have to be in the hands of the customers instead of the business owners which probably hog most of the income. I think it's unfair, there's a better way to compensate hard working employees. I empathize with waiters, bartenders, all employees of labor intensive jobs. I think tipping is the wrong model for compensating these workers. It's not fair for customers or employees, but almost nothing in life is fair. We're straying from the topic, but thanks for your input.



What kind of 'box of food' place are you talking about then?    If it's something like 'buffet style' and you're doing take out?  You should still tip, in my opinion.  Whoever is working there still has to set up, keep clean, and refill whatever you took out.  They still have to stock boxes, napkins, take out silverware, etc.  You came in, they didn't BRING you food, but you took away something that they had to set / refill / clean.  The money they make an hour doesn't change, but you just added to their duties because now they  still have to refill, restock, and clean.  It's not like you were never there and didn't use their services.

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Sorry , but am i right in thinking majority of wages over there are made in tips ????

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I apologize for the empty post, my post didn't post correct

@Jenn

That's a great question. But should we also tip the janitor, public services personnel, doctors? We probably are paying for food/products that are 400% marked up. Why does the burden of paying these employees have to be in the hands of the customers instead of the business owners which probably hog most of the income. I think it's unfair, there's a better way to compensate hard working employees. I empathize with waiters, bartenders, all employees of labor intensive jobs. I think tipping is the wrong model for compensating these workers. It's not fair for customers or employees, but almost nothing in life is fair. We're straying from the topic, but thanks for your input.

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Quoting dana:



Quoting Jenn:

***edited for disclaimer***
*****This is not a reply to the OP or to any of the members that have posted on this thread - it's just the truth from someone in the business.*******

I always tip. If someone makes me something, brings it to me - I tip. Dunkin' Donuts- tip. Starbucks - tip. Buffets, restaraunts, bars / pubs, yes, I tip. If I get carry out- I STILL tip.

I think the only places that I don't are Mc Donalds (If I ever HAVE to go to one - I usually don't go to fast food chains if I can avoid it)
If it's a restaurant with servers, I tip whether I'm eating in or dining out. If I smoke a cigarette at the bar in a restaurant while my family is back at the table - I tip the bartender for 'use' of her clean ashtray.

I've been a bartender all of my adult life, and I'll tell you something right now.......for everything that a waitress / bartender / server / counter person goes through during the day- I leave a tip.

It's funny...It's almost like some of you have NO idea what they do for their jobs. "Oh, they brought me a plate and a refill". BULLSHIT. They have to clean up your mess, touch your ABC food on your leftover plates, clean up after your kids that you WOULDN"T LET MAKE THAT MESS at home, refill condiments, fold napkins, silverware, reset tables, deal with needy, whiny assholes (like the ones that can't EVER seem to all figure out that their friend needs mustard, but they don't need another pepsi UNTIL you come back with the mustard)
......and then after "assholes at table 2" run them ragged with stupid requests, they have to come over and put all their "eff off table 2" feelings away to be nice to you. Most servers also have to wait for all of their tables to finish before they can get off shift so they can finish their sidework ( clearing dishes, sweeping the mess from under the table, table resets etc) ...BUT... guess what? While you wait for that lingering table to leave - if you go over your shift time - you get clocked out. You STILL have to wait to finish sidework, and NOW you're not even getting the 2.35.
Leave 'em a couple of friggin bucks.
Throw your 37 cents change from your coffee in the damn tip jar.
Would it kill ya? Really?
Servers (here) make $2.35 an hour. (Some states it's up to a whopping 4.06 an hour) They get taxed on that AND their tips. They also have to tip out bartenders, busboys, etc. How much do you think is left of their money after that?
Most servers / bartenders that I know bust their asses for the money they make. If the service sucks - fine, complain - if it doesn't get better and it's your WAITER / WAITRESSES fault, then don't tip. If it's 'too long getting food?- well, servers don't cook. That'd be the cook's fault. Complain to the manager - but don't stiff the person that 's running their ass off for you- and probably 12 - 15 other tables at the same time.

And that's my "eff you and your shitty tip" rant from a '19 years' career bartender / food service / hospitality worker.






Well said Jenn, you rock!   I couldn't have put it any better. 






Eh, I've just been a disgruntled server for a long time.  Too long in this business and you meet every clueless idiot and their twin on the planet.  (you should have seen the day some ass left me 50 cents on the bar after being there for 4 hours.   Tossed it at him as he was walking out "you forgot your change, asshole" ....smakced him right in the back of the head with it too - I have REALLY good aim)



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I tip anyone who serves my food, including takeout. But here I'm talking about going to food place, getting a box and filling up your box with food then pay for it and leave, no service whatsoever but still have tip jars.

That's where tipping gets iffy. I'm not sure if we're all on the same page.



I'm a little confused....What kind of food place is this? 

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Quoting Jenn:

***edited for disclaimer***
*****This is not a reply to the OP or to any of the members that have posted on this thread - it's just the truth from someone in the business.*******

I always tip. If someone makes me something, brings it to me - I tip. Dunkin' Donuts- tip. Starbucks - tip. Buffets, restaraunts, bars / pubs, yes, I tip. If I get carry out- I STILL tip.

I think the only places that I don't are Mc Donalds (If I ever HAVE to go to one - I usually don't go to fast food chains if I can avoid it)
If it's a restaurant with servers, I tip whether I'm eating in or dining out. If I smoke a cigarette at the bar in a restaurant while my family is back at the table - I tip the bartender for 'use' of her clean ashtray.

I've been a bartender all of my adult life, and I'll tell you something right now.......for everything that a waitress / bartender / server / counter person goes through during the day- I leave a tip.

It's funny...It's almost like some of you have NO idea what they do for their jobs. "Oh, they brought me a plate and a refill". BULLSHIT. They have to clean up your mess, touch your ABC food on your leftover plates, clean up after your kids that you WOULDN"T LET MAKE THAT MESS at home, refill condiments, fold napkins, silverware, reset tables, deal with needy, whiny assholes (like the ones that can't EVER seem to all figure out that their friend needs mustard, but they don't need another pepsi UNTIL you come back with the mustard)
......and then after "assholes at table 2" run them ragged with stupid requests, they have to come over and put all their "eff off table 2" feelings away to be nice to you. Most servers also have to wait for all of their tables to finish before they can get off shift so they can finish their sidework ( clearing dishes, sweeping the mess from under the table, table resets etc) ...BUT... guess what? While you wait for that lingering table to leave - if you go over your shift time - you get clocked out. You STILL have to wait to finish sidework, and NOW you're not even getting the 2.35.
Leave 'em a couple of friggin bucks.
Throw your 37 cents change from your coffee in the damn tip jar.
Would it kill ya? Really?
Servers (here) make $2.35 an hour. (Some states it's up to a whopping 4.06 an hour) They get taxed on that AND their tips. They also have to tip out bartenders, busboys, etc. How much do you think is left of their money after that?
Most servers / bartenders that I know bust their asses for the money they make. If the service sucks - fine, complain - if it doesn't get better and it's your WAITER / WAITRESSES fault, then don't tip. If it's 'too long getting food?- well, servers don't cook. That'd be the cook's fault. Complain to the manager - but don't stiff the person that 's running their ass off for you- and probably 12 - 15 other tables at the same time.

And that's my "eff you and your shitty tip" rant from a '19 years' career bartender / food service / hospitality worker.



Well said Jenn, you rock!   I couldn't have put it any better. 

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Quoting Jenn:



Quoting Louise:

I tip anyone who serves my food, including takeout. But here I'm talking about going to food place, getting a box and filling up your box with food then pay for it and leave, no service whatsoever but still have tip jars.

That's where tipping gets iffy. I'm not sure if we're all on the same page.




Right, but who do you think sets up, refills, and cleans the area where you get your box o' food?




 






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Tipping is not really done in Australia from my understanding a lot of people make their money from tips in USA is that right ?
Here a tip is out of thanks for good service , i always tip taxi drivers who dont f@$ you around or try and take you the long way round i especially tip taxi driver who are polite and generally lovely to take a ride with say on a $15 taxi ride i would give them $5 - $10 TIP .

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Quoting Louise:

I tip anyone who serves my food, including takeout. But here I'm talking about going to food place, getting a box and filling up your box with food then pay for it and leave, no service whatsoever but still have tip jars.

That's where tipping gets iffy. I'm not sure if we're all on the same page.



Right, but who do you think sets up, refills, and cleans the area where you get your box o' food?

Next time you're 'not sure'......maybe ask the manager what they pay their employees hourly....

lol

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I tip anyone who serves my food, including takeout. But here I'm talking about going to food place, getting a box and filling up your box with food then pay for it and leave, no service whatsoever but still have tip jars.

That's where tipping gets iffy. I'm not sure if we're all on the same page.

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