HPV Vaccine risks are serious?!

Katherine - posted on 04/06/2012 ( 57 moms have responded )

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Well, now I know for sure what my answer will be when my almost 11-year-old daughter's pediatrician asks if we want the HPV vaccine at her next check-up: An emphatic "NO." I was leaning in that direction anyway, for various reasons (more on those in a minute), but the latest news on Gardisil pretty much sealed the deal -- and if you have a tween girl, it might do the same for you.



In a study of 900 girls and young women between the ages of 11 and 26 who received the HPV vaccine, it was the 11- to 12-year-old group who experienced the worst side effects, from pain, dizziness, bruising, and swelling at the injection site to (in rare cases) fainting. These symptoms generally showed up about two weeks after the vaccine was administered.



What bothers me about these findings isn't that any of the side effects are so horrific or life-threatening -- though of course it doesn't help that my daughter happens to be at the riskiest age. What bothers me is that researchers are still in the process of finding out what Gardisil is capable of doing to kids, but the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics are acting like it's perfectly safe.



Maybe it is perfectly safe. Unfortunately, we don't know that yet. Unlike all of the other vaccines my kids have gotten so far, the HPV vaccine is new -- so new that it's impossible to tell at this point what the long-term "side effects" could be. And like I said, maybe there aren't any. But why should I allow my daughter to be a guinea pig?



Are you concerned about Gardisil's potential side effects?



Nope, and I'll tell you why. Those side effects are NOTHING compared to getting HPV. Are they serious? Would you not get the vaccine because of this?

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MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/08/2012

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I'd like to know from those of you that think there are "different" high risks with this vaccine how they are different from the "old" vaccines?



All the vaccines that are "old" have the exact same rare but very serious side affects. They can ALL cause high fever. They can ALL cause you to faint. They can ALL cause soreness at the injection site. They can ALL cause weezing and shortness of breath.



Seriously, if you are worried about the rare but serious side effects, than you should be like other's on COM (very few BTW) that are against vaccinations in a whole.



As with any medicine, there are possible side effects with HPV vaccines (Gardasil® and Cervarix®).



However, not everyone who receives the HPV vaccine will experience side effects. In fact, most people tolerate the HPV vaccine well. When side effects do occur, in most cases they are minor, meaning they require no treatment or are easily treated by you or your healthcare provider.



HPV Vaccine Side Effects to Report



There are several side effects with the HPV vaccine that you should report immediately to your healthcare provider.



These include, but are not limited to:



•Very high fever

•Weakness, tingling, or paralysis (which may be signs of Guillain-Barré syndrome)

•Signs of an allergic reaction, including difficulty breathing, wheezing, an unusual skin rash, itching, or hives.



As with other vaccines, fainting has been reported after some individuals were given the HPV vaccine. It is recommended that patients be observed for 15 minutes after the vaccination, to make sure that fainting does not occur in a dangerous situation (such as while driving).




Here is a link that shows ALL side effects of ALL vaccines. I think some of these are far more serious in rare cases. Like the MMR.



http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side...



MMR

Severe Problems (Very Rare)



Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)

Several other severe problems have been known to occur after a child gets MMR vaccine. But this happens so rarely, experts cannot be sure whether they are caused by the vaccine or not. These include:

Deafness

Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness

Permanent brain damage

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And Julie, when you catch it from some other source or when your husband isn't pure? Then what? I only found out AFTER I married my 2nd husband that he had hired prostitutes while in Poland several years prior. So we think my infection came from that. Hell, it could have come from anything.



And honestly, what the hell does PURE mean anyway? It immediately implies that sex is something PURE PEOPLE DON['T DO. As usual, only women are exhorted to not let anyone touch them in any way at all and if they do, they're bad, sinful, awful women who need to be shunned, etc. This is exactly the attitude of the people who are trying so desperately to stop womens' access to birth control in this country.



SEX IS NOT EVIL OR WRONG! It is ONLY bad when one party is non-consenting. You may personally feel that you should wait till marriage - great, then do it. We all know from history that men were NEVER expected to do the same. That's why MARRIED WOMEN who were VIRGINS on their wedding night miraculously were infected with syphillis or other lovely things.

JL - posted on 04/10/2012

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As someone who has had to have a chunk of their cervix removed to check for cervical cancer. As someone who has to have a thorough check every year to make sure I don't have cervical cancer. As someone who sits waiting for the results every time scared to death that this time might be the time I test positive for cervical cancer. As someone who has had the HPV shot and wishes it had been around earlier. Yeah, I will be getting the shot for my son and daughter. Cervical cancer is scary as shit.

Sylvia - posted on 04/09/2012

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I had a friend (a married friend, in her 30s) who died of cervical cancer about 10 years ago. My DD is *so totally* getting the vaccine (they do it at school here, I think in Grade 7).



The listed side effects aren't fun, but they're certainly a hell of a lot less serious than the potential consequences of HPV.

Sally - posted on 04/07/2012

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I wish they had this years ago. I would have given it to my daughter. She found out she hadHPV in her early 20's after a routine smear test , she had no symptoms. She ended up undergoing a lot of treatments a d though shes ok now ,we have been told that theres a very high risk of further problems. I think if there is something we can use to protect our children then we should.

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~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/10/2012

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Aids and HIV can be passed through so many different ways other than sex, but is called an std....should it not? If it can be passed through sex, it has that label.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/10/2012

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And when a mother passes HPV to their child, they are usually having an outbreak, so alternate deliveries can take place...like a c section. It is rare to pass but can happen.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/10/2012

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It IS a sexually transmitted disease. Herpes can also be passed with a kiss, should that not be called an std?

Amy - posted on 04/10/2012

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I will probably let my son get the vaccine when he is old enough but I have an issue with the facts that HPV is called an std. It can pass from kissing but not just that, nope cdc says "Rarely, a pregnant woman with genital HPV can pass HPV to her baby during delivery"

http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv.h...

which means that if I had it then its possible my son could have it which means that when he gets married even if they are both "pure" as someone said previously then they could both end up with it even if neither one so much as kissed anyone before marriage *sigh*

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Some really great information here on HPV, I'm not set in my decision as to whether or not my girls will get this vaccine. Yes all vaccines have mild potential side affects, but they also have potential severe side affects if you're one of the unfortunate ones who does not tolerate the vaccine, and in those cases they have been known to cause life long problems and even death. I am eager to see new research done on all vaccines in the future and would like to see them all made safer. I don't think anyone is wrong whatever it is they decide, more information is really what is needed. I understand that my daughters may become sexually active before I approve of it, but I also believe that it is my job to give them all the information they need to know so I will be researching this thoroughly.

Katherine - posted on 04/09/2012

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I completely agree Sylvia. The side effects of ANYTHING ANY drug or vaccine out there can be serious. You hear it on the ads all the time. I'm surprised spontaneous combustion isn't listed!

Stifler's - posted on 04/09/2012

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Actually no I lie I had it right before I got pregnant with Logan.

Julie - posted on 04/08/2012

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I'm pro-vaccine... but I must admit, I am a bit wary of any new med or vaccine that comes onto the market from my mother's experiences during her first pregnancy. She was hyperemetic and prescribed an anti-emetic which the doctor insisted was safe and tasted etc etc. No, it wasn't thalidomide, but this medication apparently caused reproductive problems in the female babies the mothers carried during their adult lives. So, this particular side effect wasn't picked up on until a generation later, when the daughters of the mothers who had taken the med were adults themselves, trying to conceive. My mom didn't take it, she didn't feel comfortable taking any meds at the time.



So at the moment I'm getting mixed feelings- what if the vaccine affects my daughters' reproductive systems? Luckily they're only toddlers now so hopefully by the time they are ready for the vaccine, more will be known or I'll have calmed down enough to go ahead without the worries... I should mention, I'm pregnant and hormonal right now so that might be a contributing factor to my current state of mind. :P

Lady Heather - posted on 04/07/2012

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Maybe this isn't everywhere but we already have pretty comprehensive sex ed here. When it's something that affects 3/4 of adults probably a class isn't enough.

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I don't know Jamie, why is it an either-or scenario? Why not do both? Give comprehensive sex education AND vaccinate against a disease?

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i dunno, i think sexual education would be much more effective than just giving them a shot and sending them on their way to get themselves sick...but this is coming from someone who didn't even want guys looking at her until she was out of high school...

Lady Heather - posted on 04/07/2012

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My mum stayed pure and all it got her was a cheating husband and a case of HPV. Nobody is really safe from it, sorry to say. Well, I guess maybe if you were a nun.



Scary about the oral cancers. Dude.

Mrs. - posted on 04/07/2012

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Come on now, you can get HPV from heavy petting...as long as there is some skin to skin contact your kid can get it. You never know when those underwear will move out of the way when you've got a dry hump thing happening. Seriously, from what I know, most Christians would see someone who just did a bit of heavy petting as "pure".

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/07/2012

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I am fine if a man and a women want to wait for each other. I think it is sweet. But I am not so naive to think there is no chance my children will not experiment before marriage. That is why I will discuss with them all the wonderful reasons to wait, but if they choose not to, I will make sure that they understand how to protect themselves from disease, pregnancy, and emotional pain that can often be associated with sex. But also the love that they can feel because of it.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/07/2012

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Julie, you could have HPV and not even know it, even if YOU stayed pure. There is a way to tell if a women is a virgin, by seeing if their hymen is intact. There is NO WAY to tell if the man has whored around....unless his dick is about to fall off due to disease.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/07/2012

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Julie, that does not mean he will stay pure for YOU! He could have had sex, and contracted any number of STD's before he met you and give your virgin ass diseases. Protect yourself! And get vaccinated!

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/07/2012

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Ah, yeah like that happens. Seriously, I am not living in a dream world. Very few people stay pure for the man/woman of their dreams. Actually, IMO, it is much better to experience life, including sex and different people, before "knowing" what type of person you want.



The best gift I give my husband is MUCH more than sex. ;)



ALL vaccines have a potential side affect. ALL vaccines come with rare, serious risks. This virus causes serious disease. Are you saying, Julie, that you should also NEVER kiss someone? Since, this virus can be passed through ANY skin to skin contact, yes, including a kiss.



I am sorry but all the girls that have gotten the vaccine in the past 3-4 years, I have not heard any of them dying or having severe enough side affects that have affected them for life, thereafter. However, the diseases that they may end up with, without the vaccine, yeah, that is pretty darn severe.



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I know few woman that did "wait" and now they either really wish they had explored or they have divorced, why? They ended up not happy. One, only one, is happy and has been for 17 years. The odds are stacked against you, if you don't experience all aspects of life, before making life long decisions. ;)

Julie - posted on 04/07/2012

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They are VERY dangerous vaccines!!!



Read the print-out from a druggest... Read the side-effects from an online google search.



Stay pure for the man of your dreams... you will be glad you did as the best gift you can give him is a pure self! ♥

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/07/2012

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Do you even realize that many of you may already have a form of HPV and not know it? It can be silent, and not show for years BTW. It may never surface, but you can certainly pass it on.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/07/2012

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Here is the thing. You really don't know when your children will become sexually active. This means oral sex, anal, vaginal, and even handjobs can lead to more. So, IMO, it is worth protecting early. Cause once you have it, there is no turning back.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/07/2012

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Throat cancer is also linked to HPV. One of the biggest reasons for boys to get it. Since it affects them the most.



HPV could be causing more throat cancer than cervical cancer by 2020. No one knows why, but HPV-related throat cancer is much more common in men.



http://jezebel.com/5846441/oral-sex+thro...



Researchers examined 271 throat-tumor samples collected over 20 years ending in 2004 and found that the percentage of oral cancer linked to the human papillomavirus, or HPV, surged to 72 percent from about 16 percent, according to a report released yesterday in the Journal of Clinical Oncology. By 2020, the virus-linked throat tumors -- which mostly affected men -- will become more common than HPV-caused cervical cancer, the report found.



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-03...



HPV infection is the most common sexually transmitted disease — between 75 percent and 80 percent of females and males in the United States will be infected at some point in their lives. Most will overcome the infection with no ill effects. But in some people, infections lead to cellular changes that cause warts or cancer, including cervical, vaginal and vulvar cancers in women and anal cancers in men and women. A growing body of evidence suggests that HPV also causes throat cancers in men and women as a result of oral sex.



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/health...



It is still useful for older teens to get the vaccine. The HPV vaccine was tested on older teens and was shown to work well for them. The vaccine works best in men and women who have never been sexually active, but is safe and recommended for people up to age 25.



http://www.talkwithyourkids.org/pages/pa...



This is some scary shit. If my boy was of age, he would be getting it for sure. I have 10 more years for him though... ;)

Rosie - posted on 04/07/2012

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i have 3 boys. i do not feel there is sufficient time for studies on boys as i think it just got approved for boys last year? my oldest is 12 and hasn't even been offered it at his doctor appointment, but i will be refusing it for him-at least for a few more years. my middle boy is 7 so hopefully by the time he is 14-15 i will feel confident enough to administer the shot to him.

i have HPV myself and obviously wish that whoever gave it to me hadn't. i have had precancerous cells on my cervix at age 20. i have to be very diligent with my papsmears, and i worry obsessively about my gyno health. i dont' wish to do that to another person, but for RIGHT NOW i dont' feel there is enough testing on boys. if i had girls they would be getting the shot at age 14ish.

Mrs. - posted on 04/07/2012

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Hey, losing a chunk of your cervix is not fun, nor is narrowly avoiding getting cervical cancer....but that is just my experience.



I'm pretty sure having cervical cancer isn't a gem of an experience either.



So, yeah, when my daughter is the right age...she's getting it. I don't want her to go through what I had to go through.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/07/2012

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Yep, they can happen with ANY vaccine. Even the ones that have been around for decades.

Amanda - posted on 04/07/2012

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For the people waiting until their children are adults to get the vaccine. The a killer in teenagers and young adults right now is oral cancer, which can be prevented by a simple vaccine. The reason for early vaccine is to make sure the child gets the anitbodies before they are exposed. HPV can be passed through sex (even the first time), oral sex, and french kissing. Thats right your childs first kiss could eventually kill them.



There are two distinct pathways by which most people come to oral cancer. One is through the use of tobacco and alcohol, a long term historic problem and cause, and the other is through exposure to the HPV-16 virus (human papilloma virus version 16), a newly identified etiology, and the same one which is responsible for the vast majority of cervical cancers in women. Each day in usa 100 people are newly diagnosed with oral cancer, while one person every hour dies from it.



About 2,000 cases of head and neck cancers are diagnosed each year in Canada and about 1,500 of these are caused by HPV, transmitted through oral sex, reported CTV News medical specialist Avis Favaro.



Studies in the United States indicate that HPV is now the leading cause of head and neck cancers at 64 percent, even rising above smoking, tobacco chewing, and drinking.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/07/2012

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Any sexual partner that you have after you find out about it, no matter what strand it is, you should always tell your partner and let them decide if they want to take the risk.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/07/2012

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I also wish this vax was around when I was a teenager. I got HPV when I was in my early 20's and had no idea what it was or how common it was. I was a wreck for years cause of it. I couldn't even look at myself in the mirror without being upset about having an std.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/07/2012

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Sherri, by then your sons may already contract and pass forms of HPV. For men, it is easier to carry and pass on without knowing they have it. Men do not display symptoms like women do.



Both of my kids will get the vax for sure.





Amy, I also have HPV. I have had 3 cervical biopsies, and my paps always come back abnormal. I have known friends in their early 20's have half their cervix removed, one had cancerous cells, I know another women that had to have a hysterectomy from it. You just don't know. Better to be safe than sorry.

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No.



I was told at my last gyno that I have it.



I wish, so wish that the vax had been around when I was a girl.



My son got the vax as soon as the FDA approved it for boys.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/07/2012

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Once they get HPV in any form, the vaccine "may" help them not get another form BUT it isn't going to get rid of what they already have. That's some scary shit there. I mean, we teach our children to be safe while having sex BUT we all know what we teach doesn't mean they are going to follow.



I also SWEAR by the flu shot. My daughter was very ill every winter before the shot was available, since she has been getting it (10 years now) - she very rarely, like once a winter for a day or two - gets the sniffles. I don't get the shot though because I wash my hands frequently and mind what I am touching.

Stifler's - posted on 04/07/2012

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I've had this vaccine. I'm fine. I didn't even have pain or swelling on the injection site.

Firebird - posted on 04/07/2012

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I'm with Sherri on this one. When my daughter's old enough to vote, she can get this vaccine if she wants it. I'll be denying this one for similar reasons why we don't get any flu shots.

Amy - posted on 04/06/2012

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I'm with Little Miss on this one when my daughter is old enough to get the vaccine all the bugs will be worked out of it. I had HPV in college and had multiple paps come back with the pre cancerous cells. I had to go through the freezing and the pap smears every 6 months for a couple of years. Thankfully it didn't have any impact on my ability to have and carry children which I was told it may.

Lady Heather - posted on 04/06/2012

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You know what's funny about the rotavirus one? It's covered here now but only for babies born starting a couple of weeks after my daughter. So I take her for her shots and they have the rotavirus stuff there but she can't have it because she's too old. But the next kid comes in for the same round and he gets them. Kind of whack.

Lady Heather - posted on 04/06/2012

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I have quite a few years left so I'm not worried. I had a pretty bad reaction to the hep B vaccination (seizure) and I'd still prefer that to hep B. Soreness? Whoop de doo.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/06/2012

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Actually, there are 4 types of HPV that the vaccines protect against.



HPV types 6, 11, 16 and 18



Ah, shit I just seen you explained that.... **sigh** Sorry! ;)



Ah yes, you are right Amanda. She IS getting her 3rd dose in May. I forgot there was still another round to go this school year.... ;) I bet she is excited! lol She HATES needles...

Amanda - posted on 04/06/2012

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Both vaccines protect against the two HPV types (HPV-16 and HPV-18) that cause 70% of cervical cancers, 80% of anal cancers, 60% of vaginal cancers, and 40% of vulvar cancers. These HPV types also cause most HPV induced oral cancers, and some other rare genital cancers. Gardasil also protects against the two HPV types (HPV-6 and HPV-11) that cause 90% of genital warts.



Thats enough facts for me to allow both my children the vaccine. My daugther got hers in grade 7 and 8.



Im not sure which drug your daughter got Meme, but mine got 3 doses not 2, and from my understanding both companys that make the vaccine its 3 doses. So your daughter might be getting another one early next school year.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/06/2012

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Yeah, it does seem stupid, really, for them to be posting it now. I am not sure what "The Stir" is but it sounds to me like "Stirring the Pot". lol



You're right Little Miss. HPV is a very rampid virus out there.



How many people have HPV?



Genital HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection (STI) in the United States. About 20 million Americans ages 15 to 49 currently have HPV. And at least half of all sexually active men and women get genital HPV at some time in their lives.




And that is ONLY the USA.



http://www.womenshealth.gov/publications...



ETA:

Not only Gardasil makes the vaccine, there is also Cervarix. Maybe, it is just a Gardasil that is having a higher number of side affects? I dunno.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/06/2012

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Nope. Not worried. By the time that either of my children are ready for the vaccination, I am confident all the bugs will be worked out of it. AND, the side effects are nothing compared to the disease. Isn't it something like 80% of the population has some form of HPV? So, out of 100 people, that is 80. Out of 1000, that is 800. I will take my chances with the vaccination when the time comes.

Katherine - posted on 04/06/2012

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Then why are they posting this NOW? Seems stupid, for lack of a better word.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/06/2012

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Nope - I am not concerned in the least. I am more concerned about my child getting cervical cancer or genital warts than some soreness. Of which, she gets from most of her vaccines. ;)



Ummm - well. I can say that my daughter had it twice this year, along with every single other teen girl (that had permission slips, this is one where they need permission, since it is new to the schedule) in grade 7-9 at her school (it is given in two doses). There was not one that had severe side affects,otherwise we would have received notice. This counts for a lot of girls. There are approx. 500 kids in her school. Not sure how many are girls but let's say half, which it is probably more...



Next year, boys are getting it to. ;)



Also, her in Halifax Nova Scotia. They do not get it until grade 7. Putting the girls at 12-13.



Rotavirus is fairly new and I bought 3 doses for my son. It is not covered by insurance in halifax, Nova Scotia (actually I was told it isn't covered in Canada yet, by my doctor and the pharmacist but, I will go with where I live). I prefer to help make sure he does not die before age 5 from a serious stomach illness than what the vaccine will do.



They do testing before sending out to the public. I don't think our children are guinea pigs, at all.



I guess every parent needs to weigh the pros with the cons. For me, I prefer to help protect my children, rather than leave them susceptable to disease.

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