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C. - posted on 06/06/2010 ( 27 moms have responded )

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So, my mom and I were watching my nephew and of course Liam.. We were watching ABC Family b/c The Incredibles was on. Anyway, they had their commercials for shows that are coming up in June and one of them was called HUGE. It's about kids at a weight-loss camp, basically. Now, on the sneak peak preview, the girl at the camp was talking to a counselor and saying that she's not going to change or doesn't want to change (can't remember which were the actual words, but one of the two) and she continued to say 'Why should I [want to change]'. Now, I understand that it's important to love yourself no matter what. It's healthy to love your body, but it's also unhealthy to let yourself stay obese. What kind of message is this going to send to kids that are already obese and on the verge of getting diabetes or heart disease?



Just curious on everyone else's thoughts..



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Forgot to add the website if you want to take a look at it. http://abcfamily.go.com/shows/huge

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Sharon - posted on 06/07/2010

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I think everyone should be proud of themselves. Big, fat, skinny, normal or surgically altered.



But deliberately encouraging an unhealthy lifestyle or attitude is just not right. No matter how you look at it.



At a size 28, were you happy with yoursef? Did you have good energy levels?



I'm very petite, always have been. Always been anorexic looking too. 3 kids and a long time later, I'm "normal" and I've never been more miserable. My joints hurt, my body hurts, etc. I eat healthy, i'm not fat. But I'm heavier than my frame wants me to be. Some of this is due to my extreme injuries. But not all of it.



I have a good friend is about 100lbs overweight. She's as cute as a button, she's a couple of decades older than me and has more energy and is just healthier overall. its what her body wants. She doesn't sit for hours in front of a computer, can barely use one, she loves to garden, swim with her granddaughter, and take her dogs for walks and to the doggy salon.



You do whats right for YOUR body. There is no cut & dried, black & white, like raising kids or feeding a baby cereal.

LaCi - posted on 06/11/2010

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I think loving yourself is important, however, I think to truly love yourself you have to take care of yourself. People can be overweight and still be healthy, however, someone who can't walk across a room without turning red and panting saying they love their body the way it is is full of it. If you loved yourself you'd want to be able to move. So to be whatever size you want to be is fine. To be very unhealthy is not.

Joanna - posted on 06/07/2010

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I totally get what you're saying, I'm sure there are some unhealthy overweight teens who might give up after seeing the show. But I personally think the show could have more of a positive outcome than negative.

Sara - posted on 06/07/2010

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People have a lot of motivations for why they eat, and even if you're healthy being bigger, if you're eating to fill an emotional void or for some other equally unhealthy reason, it's not good for you psychologically. I had gastric surgery a few months ago and I attend a support group every other week with people who are struggling with their weight just like me, and I can say without a doubt that all of the people in my group are not happy or healthy with their size and want to change. I don't think it's necessarily right to equate being larger with being unhealthy, but obesity is a disease and an epidemic in this country, so it has to be talked about. My hope it the more it's talked about, the less of a stigma there will be against fat people and we can begin to deal with the real reasons people in our culture are so unhealthy. I absolutely think that prejudices against fat people is the last acceptable bias in our culture.

Joanna - posted on 06/07/2010

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But Christina, what about the ones who are striving already to look like the unhealthy skinny women? The ones who starve themselves to look like everyone else they see on TV?

What I'm saying is, why can't there be some overweight teenagers saying they are happy with their weight. Sure it's good to be healthy, but better be happy than to be starving yourself to have a look that's unattainable to 90% of the population.

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Lea - posted on 06/14/2010

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Well everyone has a *process* and it can take years for someone to get in a *place* where they are ready to deal with their issues. This girl is saying shes not there yet. I'm a teacher so I deal with tons of kids who don't care. Its mainly that their lives are boring and have little meaning beyond what they see on TV. The problem is, its a luxury not to care about yourself and not take care of yourself. The parents created this problem in the first place. Who do you think gave the kids all the junk food. I guess the parents have to send them away to be brought up properly. sad. :(

Sara - posted on 06/14/2010

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I agree with Laura. I think it's a load of BS if someone accepts themselves as obese when they have diabetes, hypertension, high cholestrol or a host of any other weight-related diseases that negatively impact the quality of their lives. I don't know too many happy type two diabetics.

La - posted on 06/11/2010

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Sharon: Does your point of view mean that moms with 'mom' bodies, saggy boobs, spread hips, pannus (that floppy belly thing) are all just lying to themselves when they say they're proud of their mom bodies?

I think it is different when you are talking about weight which has a direct correlation with unwanted health conditions such as NIDDM and heart disease vs talking about cosmetic faults (saggy boobs, spread hips, pannus, etc) which do not have adverse health effects.

I believe that many moms can be happily accepting of their mom bodies because the end benefit is having children, whereas people who are accepting of being overweight don't have any benefit to being or staying overweight only the negative of the increased health risks. Also, the body changes that come from carrying children such as stretch marks and loose stomach skin are looked at as inevitable as opposed to weight gain/loss which is viewed as modifiable.

Sharon - posted on 06/11/2010

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Ok Laura - i agree with you in part and i've been kinda wrestling with body image lately anyway....

Does your point of view mean that moms with 'mom' bodies, saggy boobs, spread hips, pannus (that floppy belly thing) are all just lying to themselves when they say they're proud of their mom bodies?

La - posted on 06/11/2010

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In my experiences, people who said they were "happy with their weight" weren't REALLY happy, they had just accepted the fact that they were overweight or obese. When I say overweight I don't mean someone who is an athletic size 12 I'm talking plus sizes. Nothing wrong with loving yourself, but you can't tell me that if you wouldn't be happier, healthier, and have more energy if you lost even 10-20lbs. "Accepting" your body as being the way it is (when it is carrying more weight than it needs) almost seems like a way of justifying a lack of effort to lose the weight. I think that preaching the message of "Love yourself as the way you are" can be an unhealthy message because it encourages stagnation whereas a message of "get healthy and be active" is more encouraging and promotes action on the part of the individual.

C. - posted on 06/11/2010

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Well, I still think that most won't use it as an excuse.. Sure some might, but I don't think that the majority will.

Thanks, ladies, for your input so far!!!!

Sarah - posted on 06/11/2010

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I guess in regards to the programme, it depends whether the series ends up with the girls realising that although you should definitely love who you are, that it's also important to love yourself enough to make changes to ensure you are healthy.

I think that's the thing, if we're an unhealthy size (over OR under weight) then we need to send the message that although it's great to be you, it's even better to be a healthy you!

Hopefully, this programme will go in that direction. People who do not want to change their lifestyle, will use anything as an excuse, so yes, I guess this programme could give them an "excuse" not to try. As someone else pointed out though, they're probably inclined to give up anyway. :)

C. - posted on 06/10/2010

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Thank you, Joanna.



I disagree, Carolee. I think on young, impressionable kids/teenagers, something like that can have an effect on them without them having to give up in the first place. At that age (the age group the show is targeting), usually if they see someone else in the same boat as them, in this case being overweight, and they see that the person refuses to change b/c they are accepting that they are overweight, that could have a negative impact on that teenager watching the show. They don't have to give up beforehand to give up after. They could just see the character doing it and say, Hey why not? They are doing it, why can't I? Not saying all of the viewers would be, or even one viewer.. I'm saying from what I saw of the previews, that's what it appears to be. I could be totally wrong, and I hope I am. But this is why movies and most TV shows have a rating on them, b/c younger kids aren't going to realize what the character is doing could be dangerous to themselves or someone else. There are some that are more mature for their age, yes.. But there are some that are right on target with their age and maturity level. Let me know if I'm making sense or not.. Getting a little drowsy from the Advil, sorry.

Carolee - posted on 06/10/2010

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If a TV show can make somebody "give up", then the kids had obviously "given up" before, but now they have something to blame it on... that's the only difference.

C. - posted on 06/07/2010

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(Quoting Joanna: ) "But Christina, what about the ones who are striving already to look like the unhealthy skinny women? The ones who starve themselves to look like everyone else they see on TV?



What I'm saying is, why can't there be some overweight teenagers saying they are happy with their weight. Sure it's good to be healthy, but better be happy than to be starving yourself to have a look that's unattainable to 90% of the population."



I agree.. But what I am saying is, I don't want those teenagers to watch that show and give in to being overweight if their body can't handle it. What's likely to happen is they just give up really caring and be "happy" instead of being healthy AND happy. There's a way to be both. Do you see what I'm trying to get at?

C. - posted on 06/07/2010

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Wow, that wasn't exactly my point for bringing this up (whether or not bigger than average women/men can still be healthy). You all started taking this to a whole other level..

The point I was trying to get across to see if you all felt the same way, is do you think that having a TV show that has obese teenagers on it that don't want to change is a good thing for real life teenagers that are overweight?? The only thing that I can kind of foresee happening based on what I saw on the preview, is that it's giving out the message that it's Ok to be happy about being overweight no matter what. If you're bigger and you're healthy, more power to you. That wasn't my point. My point was that some impressionable teenagers might take it as something completely different and maybe even give up on being healthy and just say 'what the heck, I'm still beautiful'..

Ok, what some of you might not realize is that I have been that teenager. I got to a point where after I had yo-yo dieted for so long, I loved my body.. But it was just as Sara and Krista were trying to get across earlier.. It really is a form of self-loathing. I finally got to the point when I was 16 and I stepped on the scale, saw that number and was like, that's it.. Something's gotta change NOW! I proceeded to lose a total of 80 pounds and kept it off for maybe a year and a half.. Then I got pregnant and packed it all back on +20.

ANYWAY.. My problem with the show is that I think teenagers will start to give up when they hear someone say that on TV. I know when I was like.. 14 or 15, I heard Mo'Nique say something about being 'big and beautiful'.. I had the same mindset.. Why shouldn't I see myself as big and beautiful, too? Unfortunately, the majority of the time, it's just not healthy. I'm afraid that teenagers will have that same attitude if the show turns out the way it looked like it will in the previews, in turn making me almost fear for their lives b/c it could be more than just being bigger than average.. There could seriously be something wrong with their health, but if they give up and stop worrying about actually taking care of themselves, what's gonna happen to them? I'm just afraid that this show is going to undo all of the good things that we have been trying to instill in our children when we realized that obesity is an epidemic in our country, if any of that makes sense.

Carolee - posted on 06/07/2010

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And, really, there is no way for anybody who does not personally know another person to know if an overweight person had just lost a lot of weight or not... or if they are trying to lose weight. They just tend to automaticallly assume that they SHOULD lose weight.

It pissed me off to no end when people would make comments about me when I had JUST lost about 100lbs. (That was about 6 years ago.) And, not that long ago, I posted something that I thought was very positive about being okay with being the size I am. I got TONS of negative responses for that! I forgot that if others didn't actually see the transformation from a size 28 to an 18, they just ASSUMED that I had "given up" on life. Definately NOT the case! I am actually (for me) healthy, happy, and well-balanced now.

Joanna - posted on 06/07/2010

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I don't get why when the media glamorizes teeny tiny smaller-than-small women it's okay, it's normal, there's not a fuss. But if someone with some meat on their bones is in the media is always for a negative reason. I hate it! Big is beautiful too! There is unhealthy skinny just as there is unhealthy overweight, but there is always a healthy middle ground, and just because you're one way or the other doesn't mean you aren't healthy. It just makes me mad that skinny = acceptable, overweight = not acceptable.

Suzette - posted on 06/07/2010

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Oh, and to add, my mom is overweight as well. Mainly due to her medical condition... even when she was a size 10, and she's very petite, her self esteem sucked big time. She's a size 14-16 now and her self esteem is out of this world! I've never seen her happier with herself. It's weird how that works.

Suzette - posted on 06/07/2010

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Carolee,

You're right, it doesn't sound right when it comes out. "Be happy with who you are unless you're big." That just sounds wrong. I think society has conditioned us to believe that you have to be thin to be happy, that's just not true. I know plenty of people who are larger than a size 4 that are happy with who they are. I also know people who are a size 4-6 that are so vain it's unhealthy, they think that the only way to happiness is the size that they are and they refuse to date anyone who isn't physically fit. They claim that the reason is because of health, truly though it comes off as vanity when they talk, as though someone who even has an ounce of body fat isn't "good enough" for them.

Personally, I'm big boned. I know that sounds like an excuse for being larger than a size 10, but when I had to go to the doctor for a knee and hip issue (they both pop in and out of joint and were causing me problems at the age of 14) that's exactly what the doc said. I'm mostly German and my neighbor is full German, we're both the same build, though she's shorter than I am, we both have big bones. When I was in high school I was a size 12, when I graduated I was a size 14-16 and everyone always guessed me at a size 8, no one ever guessed my correct weight (even women). So I know it wasn't just men trying to be nice to me. LOL (We all know how men never want to be honest about weight with a woman... lol.)

My body fat index (I think that's correct) has always fallen within where it should, even though I've always been above the size that society believes a woman should be.

It's interesting you should mention self esteem and what size you were when yours was bad. After high school I went up in size, especially during my first marriage. I went up to a size 16 and then an 18, I was SO depressed. After I got divorced I lost weight, went up and down, never went higher than an 18. Then I went back down to a 14 pre pregnancy. I was almost a size 12 before I got pregnant... I'm hoping after pregnancy I get back down. But my self esteem has never been better than pre pregnancy and now. Interesting huh?

Carolee - posted on 06/07/2010

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I never understood the mindset of "it's okay to be who you are... unless you're fat", and "just because you're bigger than average means you're unhealthy". (I know those are not direct quotes from anybody here and especially not from this conversation, but the gist is the same as what I'm hearing from a lot of the posts.)



Yes, those who are "morbidly obese" are endangering their health. I'm not disputing that. But just because somebody is a 'healthy size' does not mean that they are healthy in any way... just like being 'big' does not always mean that you are unhealhty. I am WAY healthier than one of my friends. She is a size 2. I am normally (when not preggers) a size 18. I can do more physical activities for longer than she can. And what size somebody wears shouldn't matter. My aunts all wear the same size... 12. One aunt looks 'malnurished', another looks 'healthy', and another looks like she's 'overweight'. All of them are extremely healthy. The one who looks 'overweight' just biked/jogged the entire state of Florida with her daughter!!! Being 'big' is NOT as bad as people make it out to be! I had MUCH worse self-esteem when I was a size 8.

Krista - posted on 06/07/2010

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It's a societal thing too, Sara. Kids are spending more time in front of computers and video games, and less time outside. They're eliminating gym class in schools. Fast-food restaurants market heavily to kids and cafeteria options in schools are often unhealthy. Restaurant portions are gigantic, as are portions in movie theatres. Suburbs don't have sidewalks, so nobody walks anywhere anymore.

If one is prone to gain weight easily, it takes a LOT of effort to overcome all of the forces that are against you. And once the weight is gained, like you said, it turns into a self-loathing/resentment thing, where you're pissed off that you have to deprive yourself while your skinny friend can eat a whole bag of FunYuns and not gain an ounce -- so then you reach for the bag too, because you "deserve" to "treat yourself".

Combating obesity in our society is going to require a major societal shift on multiple levels.

Sara - posted on 06/07/2010

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Well, in all honesty, I've come to understand that being obese and keeping yourself that way is a form of self-loathing...it may not start that way, but if you're a fat kid it just turns into this vicious cycle in adulthood. I think that drawing attention to the obesity epidemic in this country is exactly what needs to happen, and if this makes one kid think about their obesity and put a stop to it, it's worth it.

Suzette - posted on 06/07/2010

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I agree with Gillian, "I think it has to be careful though no to make kids think it's alright just to give up and accept that being fat is okay!"

We need to let them know that it's okay to be who they are but they also need to know that being healthy is better, even while being who they are is okay too. They still need to know that giving up isn't a good thing either. I think I'm talking in circles... I must be tired... LOL

Lady - posted on 06/07/2010

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I can sort of understand why they have done it, there are so many larger children out there and most teen TV programmes have skinny glamerous girls in them so they are trying to make something that relates to the bigger kids - it will depend on how it's done really - if it can show that yes you can love your body no matter what shape or size along with being healthy then it would be a great thing. I think it has to be careful though no to make kids think it's alright just to give up and accept that being fat is okay!

Marabeth - posted on 06/06/2010

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i think it's messed up to exploit kids on tv like that, especially obese kids. remember that show kid nation where those kids were left to make a society for themselves? that got shut off for the same reason. i think shows like jamie oliver's food revolution would have a much better effect since it just promotes and educates healthy eating in a general sense. it doesn't take some fat kid and put them on tv having a hard time being fat.

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