hunting for sport

Charlie - posted on 08/21/2010 ( 45 moms have responded )

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Pro's-
There is an inherent human passion for hunting Charles Dickens quotes (English novelist, generally considered the greatest of the Victorian era, 1812-1870) - "There is a passion for hunting something deeply implanted in the human breast."

Exploiting animals is more dignified than their living in the wild Animals invariably experience great suffering in the wild. Removing them from this environment can be very beneficial and reassuring for animals.

It is perfectly natural to use animals for our own nutrition and pleasure. – In the wild there is much suffering as animals struggle to survive, are hunted by predators, and compete for food and resources. Human beings have been successful in this struggle for existence and do not need to feel ashamed of exploiting their position as a successful species in the evolutionary process.

* If humans are animals, why defy our animalistic instincts? Michael Pollan. "An Animal's Place". The New York Times Magazine. November 10, 2002 - "Surely this is one of the odder paradoxes of animal rights doctrine. It asks us to recognize all that we share with animals and then demands that we act toward them in a most unanimalistic way. Whether or not this is a good idea, we should at least acknowledge that our desire to eat meat is not a trivial matter, no mere 'gastronomic preference.' We might as well call sex--also now technically unnecessary--a mere 'recreational preference.' Whatever else it is, our meat eating is something very deep indeed." Indeed, if we consider humans to be equal to animals and a part of the animal kingdom, it is natural that we find our instincts to eat meat to be of equivalent intensity as compared to other meat-eating animals. If humans are animals too, why should we deny these instincts?



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* Hunting is no sport; animals don't know they're in the game. Paul Rodriguez - "Hunting is not a sport. In a sport, both sides should know they're in the game."

Hunting is a barbaric form of torturing and killing for pleasure Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) British author. - "It is very strange, and very melancholy, that the paucity of human pleasures should persuade us ever to call hunting one of them.

Killing animals should be viewed as equivalent to killing humans Leonardo Da Vinci - "The time will come when people such as I will look upon the murder of (other) animals as they no look upon the murder of human beings.

Hunting is cruel, inhumane, undignified, and uncivilized – it encourages violence and barbarism in society more generally. A society that respects animals and restrains base and violent instincts is a more civilised one. For these reasons, society is justified in viewing hunting as intolerable and banning it.

Animals feel and suffer in very similar ways as humans Hunting them subjects them to the same kind of pain that we would experience if we were hunted and shot.

Modern humans have lost touch with animals and our likeness In modernity, too many humans have lost daily contact with animals, desensitizing us to our likeness.

Animal life is equivalent in value to human life Mahatma Gandhi - "To my mind, the life of a lamb is no less precious than that of a human being."

which side of the fence do you sit on Pro hunting or against hunting and why .

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?? - posted on 08/21/2010

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he's a prime candidate for the beginning of our campaign "Hunt The Hunters" that would be so awesome. Japanese Whalers, that guy and a few others... naked out in the jungle, the sahara and the nile... mmm yummy dinner for some hungry leopard ♥

Jodi - posted on 08/21/2010

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" shame aussie can't take all their possums back, we dont want them and they rather need them."

We'll take our possums back when you guys stop invading us. I swear everywhere you turn you encounter a NZ accent, LOL.....I'm sure we shipped the possums over to get revenge :P

Tara - posted on 08/21/2010

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I'm with Jenny the Commie fellow Canadian. I grew up eating wild game, my dad supplied our food needs through fishing and hunting, my grandparents came here from Finland and when they lived there they lived completely off the land.
I think farmed cows, pigs and chickens is far worse than selective hunting for food or groceries (lol loved that!).
We also raised chickens for meat and eggs, when my oldest kids were small we had a flock of 50 free range meat chickens roaming our farm!
Deer meat or venison is actually loaded with Omega 3 fatty acids not to mention has been proven to lower bad cholesterol and raise the good.
Hunting for food is a way of life. Hunting for sport is disgusting.

Jessica - posted on 08/21/2010

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Hunting for survival I agree with. Hunting for any other reason is barbaric and hinders the human race from morally progressing. IMO.

Sharon - posted on 08/21/2010

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Sport hunting is different from hunting for the table.

We hunt to put food on the table.

Sport hunting is despicable. Shooting the best of the best. Luring animals in with food plots & garbage cans - just plain sucks.

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Krista - posted on 08/23/2010

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I have no issue with hunting if it is done responsibly. Do a quick, clean kill, and use all the meat. I actually think that this type of hunting is a LOT more humane than factory farming. At least the animal had a natural life and a quick death. But if you're going to hunt and kill an animal, then you'd damn well better USE it to feed your family or others' families. Anything else is just plain disrespectful.

And don't get me started on hunters who get drunked up and just shoot stuff for the sake of shooting it, wounding half of it and just leaving it there to suffer.

Lucy - posted on 08/23/2010

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As a vegetarian, I guess it is no surprise that I am anti hunt. Though, if people are going to eat meat (and I'm not the militant preachy type who would tell you not to) I would much rather it were hunted efficiently and humanely than intensively factory farmed.

Hunting for sport is disgusting. In my opinion, it brings out the very worst in humanity. The death of an animal should equal the nourishment of another, not pure fun resulting in waste or a head on a wall. Yuck.

I grew up in the sticks where there was a very active fox hunt, and as a kid I used to go up and pet the hounds with aniseed spray on my hand- The dogs love the smell so spend the day sniffing each other's heads rather than sniffing out a fox. Hee hee!

Becky - posted on 08/22/2010

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My husband likes to hunt. Personally, I don't have the heart to kill anything, but I'm not against others doing it. He hunts for food. If he were to kill a big buck or something, he would keep the antlers as a trophy (not the whole head, because that just grosses me out!), but we'd eat the meat as well.
I don't like the idea of killing something just for the sake of killing it. Other than, you know, a mosquito or something! Well, except gophers, because they're just a major nuisance!

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I am a meat eater, but if I had to kill my own I'd be a vegetarian. I did eat the pork that my ex shot (our 'own' pigs too), but the first time I watched him clean the pig I cried the whole time.... I like my meat, but prefer to live in denial of the life and death of the animal.

I actually don't eat MUCH meat, but that's only cuz I suck at cooking the meat I like to eat the most... my ex was the meat cook in our family.

Sharon - posted on 08/22/2010

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I'm curious? Man should only go after an animal with what god gave them? I personally believe he gave us guns.

But if you're being strict about it - then you think man should go after a deer with his bare hands and what? strangle it to death? Reach down its throat and pull its lungs out? How is that better than a heart shot? I'm just curious.

Julie - posted on 08/22/2010

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Oh, and hunting is really only a sport if both parties "go in with what God gave them" ;)

Julie - posted on 08/22/2010

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I am pro hunting for meat. I am pro hunting for sport, though only of populations that need to be culled due to lack of predators PROVIDED that the meat is donated to a food bank. I am anti hunting for sport of endangered or threatened animals *unless* it is very controled, extremely expensive and proceeds benefit the habitat and animals.

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Definitely anti - what is pleasurable about killing an animal who has no chance? It's violent and inhumane.

?? - posted on 08/22/2010

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I'm in the north west - although I'm in the south east in BC, and my dad hunts in the north east of BC. Large deer aren't over abundant and the draws aren't easy to come by for the large deer by any means either. Moose, elk and caribou only have so many tags drawn each year for all of BC (and if you kill one without a tag, oh man... you better be ready to payyyy biiiiiiiiiiiig timmmmmme - there's jail time and fines up to 50k for that). Mule deer and white tails are a bit different but they are regulated as well. And if you don't abide by those regulations too, those same jail and fine consequences apply.

Sharon - posted on 08/22/2010

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Seriously - us desert hunters are JEALOUS of (a little) of the east coast deer problems. Hunting here is hugely difficult. small deer populations, smaller deer, etc. Oh and there is NO GUARANTEE you'll be drawn for the hunt. yeah - its like the lottery. better odds but you could still miss out.

?? - posted on 08/22/2010

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Yea, hunting is relatively cheap in this area. Even when my dad goes up north to hunt, he sits on my Uncle's balcony with binoculars.. watches the fields for activity and then chooses a spot to hunker down for a couple hours.

On top of that, both here and up north my parents know people who do the butchering - along with my dad - and the packaging. So dad cuts in a lil bit for the guys who help out and there goes that cost as well.

All in all, the cost of hunting (for our family) ends up being far less expensive than what it would cost to buy meat all year round from the grocery store.

Jenny - posted on 08/22/2010

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I suppose I took my location for granted with the cheap comment. We hunt mostly deer and black bear around here and the tags are around $25.

You take the CORE course to get your hunter number and FAC to get your firearms license which is around 150 for both I think and they are good for life. I live 15 minutes from the bush in any direction so camping is not neccessary and gas use is low.

Oh and processing, I believe we pay $1 per pound and that includes everything from steaks to sausages.

So, it can certainly be very expensive but if you're lucky enough to be in the right area the costs are minimal for a freezer full of meat.

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Sharon - posted on 08/22/2010

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um I have to laugh at the "cheap" comment in reference to hunting.

Between the hunting license, special tags, stamps, et al, the gas to get there, camping gear, specialty warm clothing (not really high tech here but shit gets ruined QUICK in the desert and the kids outgrow their camo gear every 6 months) & sometimes paying for campsites - the cost is about a grand or two. And thats roughing it, I shit you not.

In some states hunting is easier & cheaper. My friend in virginia gasped out loud when I told him how far my hubby & son had to drive for their hunt. I gasped when they came back empty handed. At the least the venison would been worth the cost. Then there is the crap that happens out there. Backing into a bush that grew in front of a boulder $500 hitch POOF! Because the hitch was gone the special lift/platform thingy was left behind $$$ I was PISSED - that happened on one hunt. Most of the other hunts have gone perfectly fine. Oh and when the hitch gave out and platform fell off on the highway all the gear attached to it ... POOF! They were out in 40f weather and realised their waterproof insulated gloves must be back there somewhere on the highway.

Now my guys don't use deer attractants, they don't use feed plots, they don't hunt on "ranches" that raise deer. They dress in camo, dress warmly and use rifles.

For camping they generally use a campfire for cooking & staying warm. But for extreme situations, because they have hike miles & miles, they have backpacks with survival gear, cans of heating fuel, itty bitty mini grill, water purification tablets, flares, shit like that. Its never been needed but JIC you know? Some of those things have to be replaced every so often.

Thankfully the bird hunting stamps pay off. That is not a specialty hunt and they can hunt virtually anywhere. Quail & dove make a nice meal.

The animal conservationist in me cringes a LOT at this hunting stuff. But then I figure the $$$ we pay in feeding the local wildlife is my portion to keeping the game population going strong.

You east coast people feed song birds, us desert people feed game birds (lol mostly cause thats what there is a lot of!)

Jessica - posted on 08/22/2010

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Wow its people like that who spend 70K to go kill animals for nothing but to hang the heads on their walls... I agree, that's really a window into how dark the human spirit can get. That's ridiculous, and sad. Its people like him I was to throw into the woods with a knife and see how good of a hunter he really is. Not totally related, but it also really upsets me that they legalized the hunting of gray wolves over in the western US. And people were all over that. We practically killed them all to begin with. I'm a little nuts when it comes to wolves though. Though I just read an article that they are protected again in Idaho and Montana, yay!

Stifler's - posted on 08/21/2010

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I don't agree that animals aren't happy in the wild, it's mean to keep them in captivity they want to run free.

Stifler's - posted on 08/21/2010

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I'm against hunting for no reason, fishing shows where they catch fish and then let them go and don't even eat them. I'm for eating meat and going hunting for fun if you're killing pests like rabbits.

?? - posted on 08/21/2010

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I know, if I had 70K I wouldn't be KILLING things with it... I'd be making sure children and families aren't dying of preventable things... it's seriously fucked up how dark and cruel some people's proirities are.

Charlie - posted on 08/21/2010

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Isnt it ridiculous , i never even made that much in two years at work and he blows it on senseless killing .

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I'm all for gathering up the losers that spend 70K on sport hunting - throwing them in a secure area for wild animals to hunt them......... anyone wanna support that form of hunting with me? Cause I would pay 70K for that to happen......

Charlie - posted on 08/21/2010

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I HATE hunting for sport .

Jamie works with a man who is an avid sport hunter he just spent $70,000 to go overseas and get choppered in to kill a rare type of mountain deer , his house is full of heads its disgusting , he is hunting crazy , i bet if he could hunt people he would .

hunting for food i am all for it , organic meat free range , far better than farmed .

Jaime - posted on 08/21/2010

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I'm with the rest of the crowd that supports hunting as a means of providing food. Sport hunting not so much.

Jodi - posted on 08/21/2010

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Oooh, I should add that I USED to go fox hunting (tally-ho an all that), but only because I loved the ride. At the time we were really lucky that our hounds were untrained stupid beasts and never caught a fox, because the way those foxes are killed is barbaric. But having said that, those foxes are pests, and I've seen what they do to sheep too, and that is equally barbaric. I think our hounds were trained to chase kangaroos, and they were never able to catch one of them :) Maybe that's the answer, untrained hounds :) Then we can enjoy a good ride and nothing will get killed.



Just for the record, I haven't done that for 25 years, and I have no interest in it because these days it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Jodi - posted on 08/21/2010

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I am actually totally against hunting purely for sporting or recreational purposes. I am not against it if the animal is being utilised to feed us, UNLESS the animal is an endangered species, in which case, it should NEVER be hunted for ANY purpose until it is able to repopulate.

I think we should have greater respect for the animals on this earth. Hunting them for sport and sticking their head on our walls or their fur on our floors or over our shoulders just because we can is not respect, it is exploitation.

Rosie - posted on 08/21/2010

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i can see where killing for sport would be an awful lot to swallow for people, but honestly we need to do it around here to control the deer population. i don't know much about the other animals that people kill for sport, i worked with a guy who went on a bear hunt. don't really think that bears are overpopulating the area that he went to (i think yellowstone), so i wasn't too keen on it.

hunting for food i'm all for, although wild game tastes gross to me. deer jerky is decent, not something i'd go out and actively look for though. but there are many people that like it, and too me it's no different than killing a pig or cow except probably safer to eat.

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i Don't agree with trophy hunting, unfortunately, one of New Zealands biggest pests is the possum, the furs good for clothes. very good, but most times the meat just goes to the dogs, same with rabbits. still beats laying 1080 down everywhere though. shame aussie can't take all their possums back, we dont want them and they rather need them.

Meghan - posted on 08/21/2010

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I wouldn't hunt and I HATE game...but I have close friends that do hunt and it is a means of providing food for their families...cheaper than beef and pork. I don't really like the idea of hunting for sport though...but to each their own right?

Jessica - posted on 08/21/2010

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I have to say I'm jealous of all you who eat wild game or grew up eating it. I wish I knew people who hunted who would be willing to share their meat with us (I'd pay of course). We have a large deep freezer and I'd love to stock it up and would feel a lot better about the meat we eat if I knew it lived freely and was killed honestly.

Jocelyn - posted on 08/21/2010

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I am actually not totally opposed to hunting *insert gasp here*. My dad's brother hunts. He uses all of the meat, and the skin, and really lets nothing go to waste. He also doesn't kill more than his family can eat. Not I don't support it, obviously, but in cases like that, he's either going to be eating a cow, (killed by someone else, kept it's whole life in a 4x6 pen, pumped full of steroids) or a moose (who had a free life, probably a longer life, and is organic and steroid free)
Hunting for sport I find utterly disgusting and barbaric.
Things like the Seal Hunt in the Arctic, absolutely unnecessary. All that is is fulfilling "Man's Need" to feel superior to all the other creatures on this Earth.

?? - posted on 08/21/2010

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My dad is a hunter.. who grew up killing wild animals for their meals. I grew up on fish, deer, elk, moose, wild grouse, wild turkey. We also bought 1 pig and 1 cow every year, raised it and butchered them ourselves. We also had chickens that we would care for to get eggs and then butcher for the meat when they no longer produced eggs. So I'm not against killing animals for protein and sustainability purposes.



I am against sport hunting. Killing a deer for it's antlers. Killing a bear to turn into a rug. Killing any 'exotic' animal is reprehensible and disgusting.



I am absolutely against industrial and commercial "hunting" and slaughtering. Pigs, cows, fish, any animal that is harvested on a mass scale - I am 100% against.



I am 100% absolutely, with all of my heart and soul against the whales and dolphins being slaughtered in the name of "tradition," Tigers, Rhino's, Elephants, the salmon and tuna, all of these creatures that are being killed for the amusement of humans... there is nothing more disgusting and vile about our species than what we do to the creatures that we share this earth with.

Lyndsay - posted on 08/21/2010

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I'm not completely opposed to hunting, but I do think it can be taken too far. Example, killing endangered species because you just HAVE to have their decapitated head on your wall. I think that as long as you can be economical and use what you're killing, theres no harm done.

Jenny - posted on 08/21/2010

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I believe in hunting for groceries. Hunting is not a sport or hobby in my eyes. It is about providing healthy, affordable, clean food for your family. My dad was a hunter and I grew up on bear, deer and moose meat. I intened on going hunting myself this year. I want to be a part of that experience and gain some more respect on where my food comes from.

Sport and trophy hunters are despicable to me. Anything other than hunting for food should be illegal.

Tara - posted on 08/21/2010

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Great topic and I'm going to post before I read any of the other replies.
10 years ago I was so against hunting of any sort that I routinely offended 99% of the males in my family and circle of friends. (they still loved me though)
Now however I have a different opinion. My brother is a bow hunter, he actually hunts with a bow and arrows. He has to dress in camo, he must remain completely quiet, he hunts alone uses no dogs or other attractants or tricks etc.
He kills deer and does all the gutting, skinning and butchering himself. I get a freezer full of organic, free range venison every fall as does my mom and my sil's family.
Where he lives there are way too many deer, they are involved in tons of car crashes every year and so he can apply and get over 7 tags every year.
He is respectful about how he hunts and respectful about what he does with the remains, always returning what he doesn't use back to the forest for the animals there.
There are extremes on both sides but honestly if there were no hunters we would have a lot of problems with deer and other animals because of our own encroachment on their land. Balance is what is needed.
I do not agree with Safari hunting etc. though. Trophy hunters make me want to puke.
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Katherine - posted on 08/21/2010

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Totally against it. I only eat chicken LOL. Sport hunting, and hunting period really because I've heard stories. Even fishing. It can be barbaric.

Jessica - posted on 08/21/2010

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I am not necessarily against hunting when you are going to eat the meat and/or use other parts of the animals. I think that perhaps is part of our "instinct", and honestly wish we that we as a society could go back to hunting as our primary source of meat. Rather than the way we eat meat now- raising cattle in often inhumane ways, simply mass producing them, so that other people can kill them and we just go to the grocery store and buy a steak. We're so far removed from the source of our food.

What i do not agree with, is hunting just for sport. Seeing if you can get the biggest rack, bear, whatever. That, imo, is senseless. Wasteful. Just to hang a head on your wall. And they have such hi-tech equipment for it these days, they make it so easy. Go kill that stag or bear with nothing but a knife, then I might be impressed. Lol.

Sarah - posted on 08/21/2010

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I'm anti hunting. I'm also vegetarian, so I guess that makes sense! hahaha.

I understand that people eat meat, and enjoy doing so. I'm not the type that will sit and preach to you about becoming a vegetarian or anything. Well, I might jokingly call you a murderer. hehehe.

What I totally don't understand is hunting for the sake of it, when nothing is done with what they kill. Like fox hunting, where is the "sport" in watching a fox getting ripped apart by a pack of dogs?!?!?!

If you must hunt animals, at least utilise what you kill.

Johnny - posted on 08/21/2010

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Well, I eat meat, so being opposed to hunting would be totally hypocritical. I am opposed to trophy only hunting, but not for any situation where the animal is consumed. I don't really consider it a "sport", as said in the article, it's not like the animal is playing along. But frankly, if I tend to think that if we could give animals the choice to live freely and be hunted in the end or spend their lives in a pen and sent to the slaughterhouse, they'd probably choose option A.

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