I know everyone is sick of circ. debates but..

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Tara - posted on 07/07/2011

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It's wishy washy,
She says she decided not to circ. cause she thinks it should be his decision. But then at the end she says it should be the parents choice.
It's either one or the other, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
It's a person's body. One that is not yours. Opting to remove a healthy, functioning and important piece of that body should be left to the owner of said body.
That is all for this go on circ.

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Suzie, I understand what you're saying but why are urinary issues only brought up with intact boys. I'm sure a brief look into urinary issues as a whole will find both types of males in there.

both types - hehe, suddenly am thinking all sorts of silly options.

Ez - posted on 07/07/2011

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Her last paragraph is kind of contradictory. The reasons she gives for not circing her son is that she thinks it should be his decision. Then it's like she's trying to soften the blow by saying she thinks it should still be the parent's choice?!? Did that stick out to anyone else?

Otherwise, I think her comparison to ear piercing is valid (though not the strongest argument against RIC). My old hairdresser refuses to pierce baby girls for the same reason.

Krista - posted on 07/11/2011

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It's a person's body. One that is not yours. Opting to remove a healthy, functioning and important piece of that body should be left to the owner of said body.

Yep. That's where I stand on it too. I have no right to get my toddler a tattoo, and rightly so. I have no right to lop off his earlobe, and rightly so. So why should I have the right to have his foreskin removed if it's otherwise healthy and functioning?

And just because every parent is doing what they feel is right for their child, does not mean that this is actually the right thing to do. There are a LOT of pretty bad parenting decisions being made out there, many with the best of intentions.

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"It is everyone's decision as parents. I'm not knocking those who decide to circumcise. It's a choice, with neither outcome the right one or wrong one. Just a different one than some others may choose. "

I actually do like the way she worded this because I am interpreting this to say that while she might disagree with another parenting deicsion, she respects those other choices. What might be a right choice for me to make as a parent is a wrong choice for you ('you' in general).

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Krista - posted on 07/11/2011

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@Sherri: My guess is that a lot of parents were in the same boat as you -- it was just the "done" thing, and nobody ever even contemplated otherwise.

I guess that's one really good thing about the internet...it definitely helps expose you to different ideas. :)

Dana - posted on 07/11/2011

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I think in these circumcision discussions people don't really see to the full extent or just discount the example of "I want him to look like his dad". Yes, circ rates are dropping overall in the US - at the moment. But, that is still over all, and there are still going to be regions where people still circumcise regardless of stats for the US as a whole.

Now that being said, my husband is circumcised, my son is circumcised since he was born with hypospadius and only a small flap of foreskin. Now we've got another boy on the way. We're not circumcising him but, I waiver back and forth over the psychological effect that will have on him to be one of the rare boys that is intact. The penis IS a big deal to men, having a "odd" penis can very well fuck with their confidence. So, in my opinion, people who aren't used to circumcised penises need to put themselves into the shoes of other countries or regions where it is prevalent and understand that it is deeper than just "wanting him to look like dad".

Merry - posted on 07/11/2011

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As a kid I saw all our foster baby boys circumcised, when my mom changed their diapers I'd see the blood and stuff and it was so sad, they were given up by their moms and yet she still had them cut first. Well my brother is intact so that's what I thought penises were supposed to look like until we started the foster babies so I was appalled by the cut penises. My cousins are also intact and we were very close with them and I changed their diapers etc so to me, cut penises looked weird.
Then we adopted my brother, he had already been cut so I got quite used to circ penises as I cared for him a ton and changed hundreds of diapers and heaped toilet training.
So yeah, it's sort of half and half for me, since matt is circed and he's the only man penis I've seen.
Ok there's my history on penises :D

Sherri - posted on 07/11/2011

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You know why I had it done with my kids because honestly I didn't even know that there were people who weren't. That is the honest to goodness truth. I had and have never seen or known any male that wasn't circumcised and truly thought it was what all parents did for there male children in the US. I was floored when I joined COM's to find out that wasn't the case.

Krista - posted on 07/11/2011

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@Laura: I agree. If a mother is getting her son circ'd because she has done her homework and genuinely does believe that there is a medical benefit to this, then at least her heart is in the right place, even though the medical benefits are dubious at best.

But it's the ones who circ for superficial reasons that irk me. They're cutting off part of their kid's body, just for shits and giggles, without any real thought being put into it. It's obscene.

Merry - posted on 07/11/2011

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I liked it, it wasn't all in your face but it did get to the point. But it's sad that for many people they will follow their culture regardless of if it means altering their child's body.
But most moms who choose to circ do so because they think it's the best choice. Then there's the moms who do it just cuz, just cuz the dad is, just cuz the dr asked, just cuz it looks nicer. These reasons irk me.

Sherri - posted on 07/10/2011

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In the end it is a decision and right as the parent of any child to have them circumcised, ears pierced whatever. At the end of the day I think every parent is doing what they feel is right for their child.

I like that she got her point across without being confrontational.

Suzie - posted on 07/09/2011

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her argument about seeing the pain on a little girls face is diffrent case. most doctors use a local pain killer my son did not even cry and a circ is performed by a medical doctor anyone canpirce ears. some belive circs are for health reasonssuch as my motherin law who chose not to givet to one of her sons and he had surgery because of urin in his kidneys and infection

Dana - posted on 07/07/2011

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Erin, I didn't take it as her saying it's still the parents choice, just their choice to do what's right, meaning leaving it up to their kids.

Kati, I actually like the fact that she's not saying she's right or pushing her agenda. :)

Rosie - posted on 07/07/2011

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i thought it was good. she explained her reasoning and didnt' bash anyone else. love it.

Becky - posted on 07/07/2011

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Before I had my own boys and had to make that decision, I don't think I ever even noticed whether a little boy was circumcised or not - like babysitting and stuff. Funny the things you suddenly notice once you have kids!

Dana - posted on 07/07/2011

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That's okay, Becky, I see uncircumcised penises and they look funny to me. It's all in what you're used to. :)

Becky - posted on 07/07/2011

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I think she worded her opinion very non-judgementally.
I was helping a friend of mine take her kids to get vaccinated today and took her baby boy's diaper off because she was busy with her toddler, and he was circ'ed. I was a little taken aback, only because my boys aren't and so I've gotten used to only dealing with uncirced penises! It looked funny to me. Anyways, that's beside the point, but just thought I'd share. :)

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