"I'm afraid you might go to hell" Yes, I'm talking religion!

Karla - posted on 05/28/2012 ( 105 moms have responded )

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I am using a quote from Jodi from another thread, I hope she doesn't mind...



" I'm sure all those religious people don't go around telling everyone they are going to hell in real life either."



My family is NOT very religious, and that's an understatement, so one day my oldest daughter asked the others if they had been told by anyone that they are going to hell.



All 4 of my children have either been told, in person, that they are going to hell, or have had concern expressed that they would go to hell.



My kids are older now, but this has happened to them, anywhere from the age of 5 on up, by friends who go to a churches that tell them that those who believe differently than them will go to hell.



My kids laugh about it now, but I remember counseling my crying 5 year old daughter about why she was told this, what it means, and how the offender knows no such thing.



So, the debate here is: Do you tell people they are going to hell, or have you been told you are going to hell? How do you justify such talk, especially in children? If you want to, feel free to share your response to such accusations. And finally, what country are you in? I'm in the US of A (shocker, I know!)

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Firebird - posted on 05/28/2012

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I've been told on several occasions (lol) that I'm going to hell. being a pagan, I don't believe in the christian hell so it doesn't really bother me to be told this. My usually response is something along the lines of this: "It's to my understanding that your supposed god is the only one who can decide that. You're attempting to make this decision for him. By all technicalities, you are playing god. Where does that send you?"

Shuts 'em up every time. I'm in Canada btw.

Karla - posted on 06/08/2012

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Cindy, "its not about religion its about a relationship with our heavenly father.... religion will not save you only Jesus can..... God does not send any one to Hell, they choose to go there, by not accepting the sacrifice that Jesus died on the cross to take the punishment we deserve....."

Even by your definition it is not your job, or any Christian's job or any follower of any religion's job to tell me or my child they ARE GOING TO HELL. Am I right? (rhetorical question because I know I'm right.)

That is what I find offensive. People who do not understand that they have no right, privilege, knowledge or understanding about who will occupy heaven and hell and no proof or evidence or demonstration that there is a heaven or hell. And yet they are willing to take that authority, that even by their own definition belongs to their GOD, to proclaim who will be in heaven and hell. That's got to be a little sacrilege, doesn't it?

Thanks for responding though, you gave me something to rant about. ;-)

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When my son was 6, he was told by a friend that you could be sent to jail if you didn't go to church. I firmly told him and his friend that the greatest law of the land prevented that.

And we all know that religions has jack to do with morality. When my son was 9, he rescued a 4 year old from drowning at a pool party. It was almost one of those awful tragedies where all the adults thought everyone else was watching the kids in the pool. She went in against her mother's wishes (who was changning into her suit). Immediately went under. My son saw her floating face down, called her name. When he got no answer, he swam to her, flipped her over. She was blue and non-responsive. Cool as a cucumber, he swam her to the side and called for an adult. She received immediate cpr and is alive and well today thanks to my atheist son. Most of the people there are Pagan/Wiccan and were thanking the Mother. I finally said after a bit of this to thank the Red Cross swimming classes I made him attend for 3 years.

Johnny - posted on 06/27/2012

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Perhaps it's worth considering that hell may be preferable. Consider the following tidbit I just had shared with me:

The temperature of heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is the Bible, Isaiah 30:26 reads, "Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days."

Thus, heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven (forty nine) times as much as the earth does from the sun, or fifty times in all. The light we receive from the moon is one ten-thousandth of the light we receive from the sun, so we can ignore that.

With this data we can compute the temperature of heaven: The radiation falling on heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation.

In other words, heaven loses fifty times as much heat as the earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation
(H/E)4 = 50 where E is the absolute temperature of the earth, 300°K (273+27). This gives H the absolute temperature of heaven, as 798° absolute (525°C).

The exact temperature of hell cannot be computed but it must be less than 444.6°C, the temperature at which brimstone or sulfur changes from a liquid to a gas. Revelations 21:8: But the fearful and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone [sulfur] means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, which is 444.6°C. (Above that point, it would be a vapor, not a lake.)

We have then, temperature of heaven, 525°C. Temperature of hell, less than 445°C.

Therefore heaven is hotter than hell.

Anna - posted on 06/11/2012

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My best friend and I were downtown one night when I was in college, and on our way back to her car we were accosted by a group of evangelists who were adamant that we needed to take their propaganda and convert then and there to what they believed. I ignored them, as I am apt to do when confronted with aggressive religious nonsense, but my best friend responded that she didn't need to be saved, that she was Jewish and more than happy with her faith. The woman who was shoving brochures in our face started screaming at her, that she was damned and going to hell and that she was a horrible, awful human being for being anything other than what that group of people called acceptable. My best friend, in her typical fashion, told the woman to screw off.



Now, I've studied a lot of religious doctrine from all around the world, and I have a pretty good handle on the fundamentals of most of it (Sufism still escapes me), but what I've found is that there are people in almost every religion who are willing to use fear of damnation to get you to be agreeable to their line of thinking; fear of anything is the wrong reason to go around seeking converts, but self-imposed ignorance seems to blind those people to the reality of their actions.

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West - posted on 07/15/2012

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I am a Christian I am NOT religious ( people confuse the two) I don't go looking for reasons why people would go to hell because that would make me a hypocrite, and just plainly a scribe and Pharisee. I do stick to the Bible and if someone asks me I will tell them what it says. Just because you go to church don't mean you're going to heaven. I've been told I'm going to hell cause my ears are pierced. If I don't read it in the Bible its just some religious thing. I am not God so I don't have a heaven or hell to put someone in. If you confess you re a sinner and believe and declare Christ died for our sins and rose on the third day you are saved. This is what I believe and I'm willing to die for it. You can't tell a child they're going to hell, cause they're not old enough to choose.

Elizabeth - posted on 07/10/2012

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One day in the lunch line, i was a senior, my boyfriend of two years turns to me and says...Because you don't belong to "the church" you are going to hell. I said < well, with that attitude hunnnie, I'll save you a seat.

Look for me religion is NOT about a building or doctrine.or one religions interpretation of the bible. I grew up southern Baptist. But that isn't who I am...or what I am about. My family has yet to find a church in our area where we have found our "church family". In the meantime...I teach my children that they are God's children as much as they are mine. Their lives are a gift from their creator and their actions and attitude should reflect the joy of knowing that they are gifted with their creator's love and a beautiful life. You don't find God in church, He is within you. So far none of my kids has been told such a horrible thing as you are going to hell...but if they were, I believe my children have enough confidence in not only their love of God, but His love for them. They aren't perfect but they know to WHOM they belong..

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/06/2012

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Oh Krista, DH wants you to know that Vahalla is the Norse warriors' heaven so you're just resting up there until Ragnarock

Leigh - posted on 07/06/2012

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The only time I have ever told someone they were going to hell or been told that, it was in a joking manner with my friends, typically over something mean one of us has done. Never anything serious and only if they are fully aware that it is a joke. I would never let my children say anything like that to someone unless I knew it was among friends and only if the whole group was joking.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/28/2012

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Krista, send me a post card :) I'm going on holiday at the River Styx.

Come to think of it I'm going to my MIL's today that's like my husband's version of Hell... you know if he wasn't Atheist and actually believed in that stuff.

Karla - posted on 06/27/2012

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Brown: “ Although when people say go to hell, that is something that they have learned. I really don't think that they mean it. Just probably someone got on their nerves. “

Spoken as though you did not even read the OP let alone the thread; unless of course you are joking.

Johnny, ”We have then, temperature of heaven, 525°C. Temperature of hell, less than 445°C. “

A superb bit of information!

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/27/2012

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Thanks Johnny, but I'll take Purgatory- they don't gvie an actual temperature for that, do they?

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No I would not tell someone that they are going to hell. Although when people say go to hell, that is something that they have learned. I really don't think that they mean it. Just probably someone got on their nerves.

I heard many of cats on the corner holler at each other and say Go to Hell man and then they laugh.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/26/2012

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Yeah, but your family doesn't count because they're really Canadian My friend's husband was born and raised in Texas :P His family is also Texan.

Honestly I think the weather was more Hellish than the people (42C at 10AM No thank you Ma;am). The people in Texas are actually pretty nice and easy going.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/26/2012

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I have family in Texas. They are awesome! My Uncle and two of my cousins. They are Canadians that became Americans about 12 years ago....

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/26/2012

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Don't worry Cassie, I'm from the US too- I'm originally from NY, but I lived in TX for a year and didn't like it too much so that's why the TX=hell joke came out. I hope I didn't offend you- I have friends from TX and one of my friends married a Texan too.

I do appreciate your post and I believe the world needs more Christians like you.

Cassie - posted on 06/26/2012

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As a mother and a Christian (though the term is now polluted) I can say I am horrified by such actions! If anyone were to tell me or my child that we are going to hell......well I won't lie I would be furious. This is ridiculous! I am a FIRM believer in live & let live. Live your own way & let others live theirs! Don't force your opinions and adaptations of religion onto other people. It's low & wrong. No wonder people have this horrifying view of so called "Christians"....freakin despicable! Btw I live in Texas in the USA. Not ashamed to say so.

Tracie - posted on 06/25/2012

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Yes, I've been told countless times that I'm going to hell. My standard response? I burst out laughing.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/25/2012

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I've been to Hell. Of course the locals called it Texas, but I could see through that clever renaming.

Rufaro - posted on 06/25/2012

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I believe heaven and hell exist and going to heaven or hell is determined by a person. God has given us the right to choose and does not force it on us to come to heaven, though he really love all of us to make it to heaven. I have read many stories bout heaven and hell that i don't wish anybody to go to hell. I don't remember being told that i would go to hell by anybody. All i know is that i cant and wont go to hell.
And i wish all mums to make it to heaven

Michelle - posted on 06/23/2012

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Im in Australia, I have not been told im going to hell or anything of the sort and would be completely shocked if anyone said such a thing to my daughter. I would never tell anyone that sort of thing, I wouldnt justify that sort of talk I would simply say that person has no idea who will and will not go to hell because only god himself has that knowledge and he is a forgiving being.

Jennifer - posted on 06/22/2012

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I was told I was going to hell in High School by a pastors son from another church in town. It not only pushed me further from embracing any faith..but it deepened my only bad personal life scenerio. Honestly later in my life I did embrace faith in God but it was not because of fear or what this ill informed person said to me (in fact I use the wound he put on my heart to really see the lives and hear the stories of others instead).. the truth is that its truly not about "saving" anyone to me.. I find that its just really about listening and loving everyday those who are wounded or have a need or just accepting them. I am open about my faith and people can perceive that as pushy or all knowing.. not at all.. its just an expression and I am not offended when others are do not agree. The fact that your children are being labeled their demise is WRONG!!! in fact, the truth is that no one can judge the outcome of anothers life.. we are simply called to love and grow within ourselves and give and offer that to others what we receive. The heart or motive of what is said is actually more important than the message.. I know how your daughter felt and truly my heart aches because you truly cannot judge that.. I am not religious but I do have a faith.. but it was out of love from others that brought me to that point.. not fear. I am so sorry that someone put such a label on your child. I truly know why people detest what they view as "religion" (I used to as well)... I think God knows peoples hearts and see's the motives and that we are limited to see because we are human. Yes, I have been told I am going to hell.. however I see now that that person was judging me on a certain standard .. but God knew I had some real needs and hurts that directed me to making some poor choices.. but funny.. God was not at all as angry or harsh. Blessings!!

Jenny - posted on 06/12/2012

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Thats very nice to hear Karla, I hope to do the same with mine :) I did not mean to imply that you cannot do it with out scaring the crap out of them, but that its one way that its done that can be effective, but even that does not mean that it is right.



When I was young, probably 6 or 7, my friends grandmother passed away and she said she was happy for her grandma because at least she's in heaven. I knew that her family did not go to church, so her saying this truely puzzelled me and I said to her "How can you be so sure that she's in heaven?" That was all it took to wrought tears on my little freinds face. I was tought by her reaction and of the other children that this was an insensitive thing to say, and didn't dare say anything else like that ever again.



It can happen so inocently if the child is indoctrinated.

Karla - posted on 06/12/2012

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Jenny, I just want to add (and it sounds like you already know this) that my mother, and then I raised children without telling them they are going to hell and the kids turned out well - not acting on their "impure hearts."

Karla - posted on 06/12/2012

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Cassandra, "I totally agree with training one's OWN children as to your beliefs...and that's not the issue here. Telling SOMEONE ELSE'S (very young) children that THEY are going to hell crosses the boundaries out of your parental rights/responsibilities into something else entirely....and I'm pretty sure it's not Christ-like."

Children are immature and don't understand the nuances of religions - many adults are the same way. So once the adults (parents, Sunday school teacher, preacher, grandparents, whoever) teach this message the child takes that information and tells anyone for which it applies that they are "going to hell." So when MY daughter's friend found out my daughter didn't go to church on Sunday... yeah, my daughter was told she's going to hell.

That's the worst part about preaching fear and hate, it is believed easily and spreads quickly. What stops it is someone (like me) explaining the message in a rational way, and explaining that the messenger has no authority over heaven or hell, and has NO Right to give that message. I would add that no one has that authority or right, even by their own definition of God.

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Jenny - Jack Chick is 1000% serious. You shoudl read what he has to say about Catholics. Do a search for The Death Cookie.

Jenny - posted on 06/12/2012

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I wouldn't want my kids to behave out of fear. But some parents operate that way. Mine did, and it actually worked, not that I never had impure thoughts, but I never acted on them, well not the big ones anyway ;) So, I guess parents could do that because in some cases it works.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/12/2012

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It's still inappropriate to tell anyonem they're going to hell. I don't care who you are or how badly you think someone 'needs to be saved'. So yes Jenny, that includes grandparents. My paternal grandma used to try to bring up hell and the end of the world to my brother and I and our cousins. My parents nipped it in the bud by telling her they didn't subscribe to that belief.

Why do you want to scare your children into behaiving too? 'Susie you'd think pure thoughts and listen to the preacher or you're going to hell' I don't get it.

Cassandra - posted on 06/12/2012

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I totally agree with training one's OWN children as to your beliefs...and that's not the issue here. Telling SOMEONE ELSE'S (very young) children that THEY are going to hell crosses the boundaries out of your parental rights/responsibilities into something else entirely....and I'm pretty sure it's not Christ-like.

Jenny - posted on 06/12/2012

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OMG Jen, i read the link about Flight 144. At first I thought it was all a joke and laughed real hard, but at the end with the instruction on how to give your life to the lord, is this for real? I want to go vomit.

Jenny - posted on 06/12/2012

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"No human being can change(convert) the heart of another, however hard they try, that is God's business"

Of course it's God's business, he's the one that turns their heart into stone. Try converting that!

Jenny - posted on 06/12/2012

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Not a nut job, just someone who believes it. If you believe something strongly, of course you will teach it to your kids. That's how you get them to behave.

Cassandra - posted on 06/12/2012

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I hear you! I just know about the other doctrinally, having researched them. Of course, there are always individual loonies in any religion -- no matter what the church's doctrine is!! It is funny how that original Hebrew translates...of course, that explains why later in Revelation it says Hell gives up it's dead at the resurrection...if it's just the grave, that makes more sense. So everyone who dies, goes to "hell". Not quite so scary for all those running around tossing it out as a threat! And who would say it to a child? Only a nut job!

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/12/2012

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Eh who knows. But the guy who tried to convert me told me my parents were following the devil and going to hell because they went to the casino. And I know he was a JW because he kept talking about praying to him.

Cassandra - posted on 06/12/2012

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Megan -

Don't think that was really a Jehovah's Witness...They don't believe in a burning hell. I've read all their material - says the word translated "hell" is same as common grave of mankind. (Which is true - if you study the original Hebrew and Greek languages). Maybe a different religion? But either way, these people who use this expression, are trying to use fear to manipulate people into doing something different, but the Bible teaches obedience out of love, not morbid fear. So I tell people, I'm hoping to go - I need the rest!

Stifler's - posted on 06/11/2012

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Oh my freaking god I would have called the cops. I don't care what your intentions are screaming in someones face is unacceptable and if they were saying it for any other reason it would be harassment.

Kuhn - posted on 06/11/2012

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nobody knows who will go to hell or not !!! this is so stupid i think.Suche people doesn´t know who or how your are deeply in your heart. who knows your are even purer than them. they might be praying everyday going to church every sunday, or moschee every friday but what about their heart??? so please don´t even bother about what they say cos they have no clue of it!!

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/11/2012

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The way I see it, I can't go somewhere that I don't believe exists. And I know of nuns who don't believe in Hell. So someone can warn me all they want, but it's fruitless to tell someone who doesn't believe in Hell that they will be going there.



BTW to those who believe that Hell does exist, is Hell endothermic or exothermic?

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Oh and if you do start reading the Chick.com tracts, you'll LOVE how he portrays both Native Americans and African Americans, Jack's a real progressive guy......(end sarcasm)



And this tract is out of print because he got so much flack for it.



(quote from rationalwiki)

Jack Chick's sickest tract is arguably Lisa, which has a disgusting enough start then progresses too one of the filthiest endings in history that makes "Carrie" look mild. It is now unavailable in print and isn't on chick.com either, for some reason. However, we have a scanned copy of it for perusal: pages (1), (2), (3), (4). You have to read this thing to believe it. Remember: raping your children is fine as long as you accept Jesus as your personal savior! And it only takes 10 minutes!



1) http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Lisa.j...

2) http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Lisa2....

3) http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Lisa2....

4) http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Lisa4....



And there's this one that treats rape as a comedy.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0025...

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The problem with your analogy Indira is that with cancer, I can get existent evidence that I have it. I can see xrays, ct scans, sonograms. Heck they could cut it out and show me. (not trying to be gross but really trying to get my point out.)

The issue with a deity is that I'm just expected to accept this claim based either on emotional evidence, i.e. I feel it in my heart which can be made for ANY deity that ever was created by man. I have two best friends, one is Christian of the Episcopal variety (grew up with her at church as a matter of fact), the other is a Wiccan. Both have shared with me their emotional stories of feeling either God or the Goddess respectively.

I dont' call them liars. They may actually feel something but I cannot objectively examine that. Here is my reasoning. I take morphine for daily pain. It frequently causes me to have hallucinations of shadow people moving out of the corner of my eye and on one spectacular occasion, a guy flying in front of my car. Now I saw them, my brain told me those images were there. Being a critical thinker, I examined the evidence (and I was pretty damned scared when it first started happening) and found that morphine can do this. As I'd never had hallunincations before with the exception of when I had mono as a teen with a 105 fever, I knew I could blame the med. However, I still SAW (AND SEE) these illusions. No one can call me a liar.

However, the visions themselves are not objective evidence that you could examine.

Have you ever listened to a truly beautiful piece of music and had the hair on my arms and neck stand up? I have. There's nothing spiritual about it, the composer simply knew how to put the notes together. It 'feels' spiritual though in the same way that Church used to feel to me. I just recognize this nowadays.

I am an atheist based on my rejections of the various deity claims for lack of existent evidence. However, I am always happy to review anything new.

I have also read the Bible extensively both before and after my de-conversion. When I was a kid, I read it every night - of my own free will. Now all Christians have a different vision of Hell. My mother simply believes that if there is a such a place, it is simply oblivion, there is nothing. No punishment, but no spiritual existence either. She also doesn't believe that you have to be a Christian to get into heaven which was something I always believed when I was a Christian too . However she is going against Jesus's teachings and that's why she usually gets into trouble herself (like mother like daughter) in religious discussions. Others believe in a literal lake of fire and take positive glee (however they deny it) that I'll be put in there to be literally tortured eternally.

Which is a stance I find insulting. I find it insulting that simply because I'm not part of their club, that I deserve to be tortured forever, that I am so disgusting that I have to face the inquisition of the afterlife with no hope of reprieve.

Which always irritates me. Why is it turn or burn before you die? Why are you supposed to disregard all evidence and just believe. Why not wait, see God then decide, yes you are worthy of my respect, etc.

Here's a little idea of what i mean. If this is your first exposure to Jack Chick, better be sitting down. HE'S SERIOUS. (Also if you have a twisted sense of humor as I do- please peruse the rest of his site.)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0041...

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Truth can sometimes be painful or annoying. If I had cancer, I would rather have the doctor tell me about it than be nice to me and not say anything. I should be given the opportunity to make a choice of treatment. Has anyone ever wondered why Christians spend so much time "proselytizing" as it is called. For those who do not know, the Bible gives its followers one simple command and that is to share the good news about Jesus Christ. This command is however being carried to different extents by different people. Instead of merely sharing the good news they take it upon themselves to add an additional twist by putting fear in the hearts of the people. No human being can change(convert) the heart of another, however hard they try, that is God's business, and putting fear accomplishes nothing.

I am in the US of A

Stefanie - posted on 06/10/2012

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i have never been told that but if someone ever say that to me i would have to think about what to say with out going nuts on them .i think it abusie to do that to childern explsy not your if i had a kid an someone say that to them oh man it wouldnt be good

Destinee - posted on 06/10/2012

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I have been told numerous times that I am going to Hell because a) I am an unmarried mother and b) I am a practicing Pagan, as is my children's father. My response has always been (having been raised Catholic) that Mary was an unmarried mother too-did she go to Hell? In the matter of my family's religious practices, I simply refuse to comment-if you're going to be that rude, I'm done talking to you.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/10/2012

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I'm sorry I gave that impression. The Episcopal church I went too rarely referenced Hell. However my mother was in a Catholic School with truely stereotypical nuns who would describe the Passion in the most gruesome of terms, ex, "the crown of thorns wasn't just little rose thorns, they were huge long one and one went through Christ's eyeball!"

No kidding.

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No problem. My older daughter's Methodist pre-K and Catholic school didn't mention Hell either. But I think the thorn through the eyeball would have grabbed the attention of everyone in my grade 4 Class if Sr Madgaleta (she was also one of my aunt's teachers back in the 50's/60's and her class called her Sr Chiquita) especially the boys. But most of the time we just learned about St's and how Christmas is celebrated in other countries. Well except for Grade 3 when my non nun teacher told us about when she would beat up boys.

My parents went to Catholic school back when the nuns wore habits and could smack your knuckles with a ruler so there were probably talks about Hell for not following the true church. However by the time I got there they were clean out of hell.

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I know that's not how it was for everyone, I'm just telling you how it was for me. I just don't like the generalization that everyone who was raised with religion was taught that they'd better behaive or else.
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I'm sorry I gave that impression. The Episcopal church I went too rarely referenced Hell. However my mother was in a Catholic School with truely stereotypical nuns who would describe the Passion in the most gruesome of terms, ex, "the crown of thorns wasn't just little rose thorns, they were huge long one and one went through Christ's eyeball!"

No kidding.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/10/2012

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Actually Jen, when I read about Islam (in Islam for Dummies admitedly and a book I can't remember the name of from about 10 years ago) I didn't get much about hell. I think you have to be pretty irredemable to get there anyway because they believe you can make up for some things in purgatory. As I mentioned before Muslims believe that their behaviour is predetermined by God so when they do something good instead of bad like God had 'planned' it counts for more good. Also charity and volunteerism is a big part of Islam.

Also I was raised Catholic and was never taught that I was born bad and had better watch out if I didn't want to go to Hell. The only one who ever talked about Hell and the end of the world was my Paternal Grandma and my parents nipped it in the bud when she tried to bring it up to myself and my brother. I went to Catholic school and didn't even learn about Hell, just God's forgiveness, Jesus rising from the dead and how October and May are dedicated to Mary. I wasn't completely warned about Hell until I moved to Texas and some guy tried to hand me a pamphlet about Hell in the Killeen Walmart.

I know that's not how it was for everyone, I'm just telling you how it was for me. I just don't like the generalization that everyone who was raised with religion was taught that they'd better behaive or else.

Honestly the worst religion I could picture being brought up in is being a JW. You go to church nearly all day on Sunday and part of the day on Wednesday and you go door to door trying to get people to join your religion meanwhile your religion only says that 144 people would be allowed into Heaven.

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I can't imagine a more horribly existencet than to be raised in such an environment but that is how I see Christianity and Islam personally. You are born bad, you are worthless, you have no chance to ever redeem yourself unless you follow x.z.y. In fact, you are so filthy and worthless that if you don't do xzy, you will not just die, oh no that's not good enough. You must instead be TORTURED FOREVER! Not just a few hours, not just waterboarded but torturned forever becasue you were created with a sickness and weren't able to force yourself well.

I was born with a very human brain. Our brains are hardwired to solve problems and think of multi-solutions. It's one of the reasons our species has survived. Otherwise,we'd be dead hundreds of thousands of years ago.

Most species that ever lived are now extince, many long before man first walked.

But i digress. That human brain allows me to examine evidence. When I am given a claim such as "Unicorns live in my underwear drawer" and "I have a pair of blue socks in my underwear drawer", I have to view both claims differently.

Blue socks exist, I have several pairs myself. They can easily fit in an underwear drawer. I need very little convincing because it is simple and mundane.

No one has ever seen a real unicorn, there is no evidence that they exist. Therefore I will require more than a person's word on the matter.

When I am told that a God exists, it's a multilayered claim. It's like claiming not only that Bigfood exists but going on to describe the social structure of a pack of Bigfoots. I can't acccept the first claim wtithout evidence so why on earth should I even consider the rest of it.

In the case of a god, there is that claim. Then I'm told what he/she wants for me, wants me to do and when I should do it, and is maniacally obsessed with my sex-life. If I fall short of these expectations. , he will either cast me into oblivion or torture me forever. Well I can't consider any of those extra items until I can examine the evidence presented to prove a god exists. So I need to start there, not the rest. Telling me that Jesus died for my sins tells me nothing becase we haven't established that sin could exist because sins are crimes against a god (not just plain ol crimes). So before we go into all of that -I need you (generic) to first define what you mean by 'god' because all definitions are different, then offer evidence that it is real and as existent as the glass of chocolate ovaltine on my desk.

Faith is not enough for such a hugely important issue. There is virtually NO other aspect of our lives where we use faith alone. Everything requires evidence of some sort. From knowing when your meat is cooked, to knowing how much money is in your bank account. Yet for something as GIGANTIC as an omnipotent/omniscient/omnipresent deity, I'm told to ignore evidence or lack of it and just accept it.

I can't do that. Therefore I am an atheist. I reject your (generic) claim that a god exists because you haven't presented me with evidence. Give me something other than 'look at the trees." Trees are evidence of trees and botanical evolution.

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The impression I got being dragged from religion to religion by my mother was that being female was cause enough for me going to hell, that it made me dirty and sub human. All I learned in sunday school was somehow being a girl was a sin, that even in this 'modern' world I should be humble to the man in my life and subservient to him and through him as head of the house the lord, whether that be god or jesus...

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I don't recall if there is a Hell in Islam.
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There is. They rather borrowed from Christianity on that one. Turn or Burn

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Thanks Jen. I'm rather out of practise with my religious studies.

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Not even just different religions but different denominations as well. I'm sure even *within* those denominations individuals will claim moral authority over others in their congregation and tell them they're going to hell for a certain behaviour. Course, I'm not saying it's common practice for followers of a particular religion to do this. I'm sure it's more prominent in individuals who are very insecure in themselves (and possibly their own faith) that feel the need to point out other person's faults in order to deflect.

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Well, because not everyone is the same religion, I guess everyone is going to hell. I mean, someone could say that if you're not his/her "type" of Christian, you're going to hell. And some else can say the same thing about that person if he/she doesn't share the same beliefs. And so on and so forth. So that leaves me with the question, how can ANYONE tell ANYONE else who is going to hell? What religion is the absolute authority on this? The answer? NO religion tops any other, so no one can say who is going to hell. I hope my point is coming across.

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I don't recall if there is a Hell in Islam.
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There is. They rather borrowed from Christianity on that one. Turn or Burn.

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