I was being Nosey

Jackie - posted on 09/29/2010 ( 106 moms have responded )

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OK, so I was totally being nosey and cruising around some other COM Communities that I don't belong to. Well, I stumbled upon a thread that said, " My son is 10 months old and every time I change his diaper, he want's to play with himself. How do I teach him that it's not ok to masturbate?"

Now, this was a religious community and I'm not one to judge (or at least I shouldn't) and I'm not very knowledgeable in the teachings of this particular religion but I was blown away by the question!

First of all, it's a 10 month old baby exploring himself and second, why is not ok to masturbate (when you're older)? Is it seen as a sin? Why?

I personally always thought it was perfectly natural to masturbate. Wouldn't that be better than being promiscuous, especially for men?

Thoughts?

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"Jodi, that is called sleep sex. It happens when people become obsessed with sex. I've known people to do it, too. And once they aware of their obsession with it and quit watching everything that had a naked man or woman in it, what do you know? They stopped. Obsession is also self control. If you do something too much, you will most likely become obsessed with it.:

Oh for god's sake, this is absolutely completely and utterly the most ridiculous assertion that I have read on COM in months. And we can all acknowledge how much competition it has.

Despite religious teachings to the contrary (misinformed as they usually are), natural human sexuality is about more than just intercourse. Sexuality is a mental state, not just a physical one. The physicality of sexuality actually stems from mental processes, not the other way around. No one is free from lust if they are being sexual by their own free will in any way, including people who are simply have missionary position intercourse with the lights off.

Seeing naked people does not lead to sleep sex. Chemical interactions within the brain that cause arousal and occur during the sleep cycle lead to this. You can't stop having sexual fantasies in your sleep by not thinking about sex any more than you can stop having nightmares by not thinking about zombies.

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According to the link that Heather posted... the Bible doesn't specifically forbid masturbation. Therefore, my opinion and belief still stands that masturbation in and of itself is NOT a sin. The thing is though.... if you (whoever you may be) DO believe that something is a sin and you continue to do it anyway... that IS a sin. So, for Christina, masturbation may very well be a sin, but for me... it is not. Unless something is specifically forbidden in scripture (this only applies to those that believe in the Bible, of course) then whether or not it is a sin is up to interpretation and is and should remain strictly between that person and God.

Charlie - posted on 09/30/2010

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Repressing a persons sexuality and teaching them masturbation is wrong can and does have dire effect on their sexuality as an adult.

It IS perfectly natural to masturbate in fact masturbation is not only natural it is benificial for your health .
Male masturbation keeps their sperm supply fresh ( meaning stronger swimmers ) relieves tension and stress in women and men and helps one discover where their most sensitive of areas .
Babies touch their genitals because it feels good NOT because they are having lusty thoughts , it is self exploration .
WE ARE BORN WITH THIS INSTINCT FOR A REASON .

I also want to add with out intent to offend that i find the religious aspect of masturbation to be a sin just one invented way to control the masses because if you can control a persons sexuality then you find them weaker and at a point where control is much easier .

When so many are afraid to have their children do what is natural for fear it could be construed as the child being abused BUT i feel suppressing a childs abilty to explore their bodies and sexuality a HUGE diservice to them as sexually aware adults , in my mind destroying a persons sexuality by deeming it wrong is the real abuse here .

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Christina, I'll just copy and paste what is said on the first link I provided a while back. Maybe it will peak your interest and you'll go back and look at the rest. I think you'll find the website very interesting, as you are a married Christian. Here is the link to their article about sexual "duty" inside of a marriage. I think you'll like it.
http://themarriagebed.com/pages/bible/sa...

Anyway, here is my copy and paste from the marriage bed website:

W

e have heard a lot of explanations of why masturbation is sin, but we have yet to have anyone give us a good explanation for why the Bible does not say it is. Is there any other sexual sin which is not directly and clearly identified as sin in the Bible? There are passages which clearly label as sin such things as fornication, adultery, lust, incest, rape, homosexuality, and even bestiality. Surely the urge to masturbate is more common than most of these, and much stronger than many of them, and yet the Bible says nothing about it. If God felt it necessary to tell us not to have sex with animals, why didn't He also find it necessary to tell us not to masturbate?

I can only come up with three reasons why "thou shalt not masturbate" is not found in the Bible:

1. It's an oversight.
2. One must have special knowledge or be spiritual to know this truth.
3. Masturbation is not an inherently sinful act.

Number one makes the Bible incomplete, while number two is the heresy of Gnosticism. By process of elimination I am left to conclude that number three must be true.

I know some will say, "it does not matter why God didn't say it," or "who are you to question God?"But it does matter; if you want to add to what God has called sin you must first give a good reason why God did not say it Himself. Since there is no doubt that masturbation was known of and practiced by those who originally read and heard the words of the scripture, the Bible's silence on the issue is extremely difficult to explain if you are convinced masturbation is sin.

Most of the arguments we see against masturbation seem to work because the person making them starts with the belief that masturbation is wrong. If someone starts with the question "is it sin" and studies the scripture to find the truth rather than to support what they have already decide the truth should be, the results are different. It is our prayer that asking "why didn't God say masturbation is sin" will help people to reexamine the issue and find a Biblically sound answer.

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The bible doesn't say "Don't give in to your sexual desires". It addresses innapropriate sexual desires and who it's appropriate to have sexual relations with, but you're free to give in to sexual desires with the appropriate person. Unfortunately, the Catholic church perverted these teachings to control their followers and create a need for them to buy their way into heaven. Many common beliefs by Christians today stem from these perversions of scripture. Just because you're taught something doesn't mean it's true. You should endevour to learn why you've been taught that way. Otherwise, you're just mindlessly following what fallable people are saying in the name of God.

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Dana - posted on 10/01/2010

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Oh, now I need to watch Monty Python! I burned myself out on that movie, it's time to bring it back though. ;)

Kate CP - posted on 10/01/2010

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"AND as we come full circle majority of sex crimes were perpetrated by those who were sexually repressed ."

Loureen, I'll I'm hearing in my head is Monty Python's Holy Grail bit: "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" XD

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I just have to put in my two cents so I can get in on this action. That's it!

*hands Jackie her two cents*

Jodi - posted on 10/01/2010

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Excellent post Carol. I was also trying to find a way to respond to that one, but I just didn't have the words for it, and I was too busy laughing. You nailed it!

Charlie - posted on 10/01/2010

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AND as we come full circle majority of sex crimes were perpetrated by those who were sexually repressed .

Kate CP - posted on 10/01/2010

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"Kate, tell that to all the millions of rape victims who have gotten pregnant by their rapist. If they didn't **cum, they could not have gotten the victim pregnant.



And MOST of the time it is b/c they desire the violence, but there are many instances where it's b/c those people became obsessed with sex and other things weren't good enough anymore."



The pull-out method isn't exactly 100% effective, now is it? And MOST cases of rape are not sexually motivated. They are motivated by rage, hatred, and violence. Its not because they saw a sexy porno and they have no one to have sex with so they just go rape some one. Its much more twisted and sadistic than that.

Dana - posted on 10/01/2010

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Haha, looks like I missed a good thread! Damn it! And sleep sex is great!

Charlie - posted on 10/01/2010

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Krista you rock my world haha .

• REPRESSION (noun)
The noun REPRESSION has 3 senses:

1. a state of forcible subjugation
2. (psychiatry) the classical defense mechanism that protects you from impulses or ideas that would cause anxiety by preventing them from becoming conscious
3. the act of repressing; control by holding down

If thats not repression Christina then i will eat my hat !

Jackie - posted on 10/01/2010

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OK Yup here it is...

"Not only is it illegal to have sex with the lights on, one may not have sex in any position other than missionary."

Jackie - posted on 10/01/2010

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Hey did you know that it's illegal in the state of Virginia to have sex in any other way than missionary (or so I hear)? I wonder if it's illegal to to pluck my pudd too??

Rosie - posted on 10/01/2010

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krista, i can't stop laughing!! strumming the banjo!! bahahahahahahahah!!!! best post EVER!!

Kayle - posted on 10/01/2010

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Trying to reprimand a child that small for discovering his penis is like reprimanding him for discovering his toes. To him it's just another part of his body that he just discovered. My son has just found his penis and I see nothing wrong with letting him touch it while I change his diaper (after he's been wiped ofcourse). And I would never make him believe that something "bad" will happen if he plays with it when he's older.

C. - posted on 10/01/2010

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Just wanted to respond quickly to Jodi's last post to me and then I'm seriously done with this thread, so if you respond to me here, I won't get it. You'll have to message me and let me know if there's something you really want me to read.



Jodi, I get that you don't understand it. You weren't raised that way, so you really don't know what it's like. It's not repressing if it's taught in the right manner. It really isn't. I honestly couldn't be more open with my family about sex (although my brother likes to turn a deaf ear to us girls when we bring it up and talk about personal experiences and such.. But then again, what brother really wants to hear his sisters and mom talking about something so private, you know?)



I understand this way of thinking b/c this is how I was brought up. And I'm being completely honest with you, that when done in the right way (a non-shunning, non-judgmental way-- And yes, that's possible) it really opens you up, not shuts you down. I understand that I am the minority here in this thread, but you know.. I really do try to understand opposing views in other threads w/o being too judgmental if it's not something I've had any experience with, and I really would appreciate the same courtesy, that's all. Not having so many women with a completely different mindset questioning every little thing I say- when I've already tried explaining it- as if I have no earthly idea what I'm talking about. I've lived it. I know it's possible. And please don't take this as me being rude in some way. I know you all have your questions, and that's fine. But please don't tell me that it makes everyone that grew up that way sexually repressed and unable to talk about sex with their parents and loved ones- b/c it really doesn't if you know how to deliver the message. I take a look at my husband, whose parents were open about sex but gave no real boundaries or anything.. He's still in a bubble. I have to dig his sexual desires out of him, whereas I just blurt it out in the midst of conversation, given that our son is not in the same room. I've seen the difference between the two, and I am choosing to teach my children about sex the same way I was taught b/c I want them to be as open about it as I am, not as embarrassed as my husband is. I hope that makes sense. I'm tired, only got 3 hours of sleep in the last 30 hours and I just cannot fall asleep b/c of the pain. So if it isn't perfectly clear, I sincerely apologize.

Krista - posted on 10/01/2010

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Sin, schmin. I swear, religion has done more to give people hang-ups about their bodies. If I have an itchy ass, I scratch it, and it feels good. If I've got a gigantic booger up my nose and it's flapping back and forth when I breathe and tickling my nostril, I dig it out , and feel so much better. And if I'm restless and horny, or wound up and can't sleep, I spend a few minutes strumming the banjo while envisioning all sorts of delightfully naughty things, and guess what? It feels good. And obviously, I know that there is a time and a place for such things. Just because scratching your ass, or twiddling your twat, or picking your nose are all things that should be done in private, it doesn't make them WRONG.

I'm supposed to be some sort of martyr and forever resist those urges, because heaven forbid that I derive a pleasurable sensation from part of my body? Bah. Let the repressed folk walk around then, with their itchy butts and restless crotches...no wonder they get so damned interested in policing everybody else's sex lives -- it's the only Bible-approved way to get your jollies, evidently.

Jodi - posted on 10/01/2010

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Actually Christina, I DO understand WHAT your position is. I don't understand it and I don't agree with it, but I do understand what it is.

Jackie - posted on 10/01/2010

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No Really Christina - I was really curious about the opposing view so thanks for filling me (us) in. You comments are appreciated - just not understood. Threads like this ALWAYS get heated.

C. - posted on 10/01/2010

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No, Jodi.. I don't think you all do b/c all you ladies are doing is coming at me with questions that I've already answered as clear as crystal. But I'm done. Have fun.

C. - posted on 10/01/2010

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Ah well, I've tried to explain my position as best as I can at the moment, only to have ruthless women bombard me and try to twist my words around to make it sound the way THEY want it to. You can't win 'em all.. Sometimes you have to surrender.



I'm gone.. Go have your fun with it. You all won't even read all of the posts in the way it was originally intended. Not my fault. I've tried to explain my stance further and only got rudeness coming from every corner. You got what you wanted, for a member to pull herself out of the thread (*sigh* no pun intended, though I'm quite sure someone will turn it around to mean just the opposite lol).



Peace out.

Charlene - posted on 10/01/2010

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Even primates masturbate.... for pleasure! And I'm willing to bet that ALL mammals would be doing the same thing if they had thumbs. gqtm.

My MIL's dog humps pillows when he's 'aroused'.. so maybe thumbs are not all that necessary???

C. - posted on 10/01/2010

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Alright, Jackie.. Just what part of 'MOST rapists' in my comment did you not understand?? That would mean the majority.. Meaning exactly what you wrote ('more often than not..'). SAME THING. READ!!!

Jackie - posted on 10/01/2010

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No Christina - If you did any kind of research on rapists, you will find that more often than not, it's isn't about sex at all. It's about having control over another person. You cannot compare masturbation with rape. It's ludicrous and it's like comparing apples to oranges

Kate CP - posted on 10/01/2010

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Obsession is also self control. If you do something too much, you will most likely become obsessed with it.

Are you saying I'm obsessed with pooping?! I do that frequently!

C. - posted on 10/01/2010

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Kate, tell that to all the millions of rape victims who have gotten pregnant by their rapist. If they didn't **cum, they could not have gotten the victim pregnant.



And MOST of the time it is b/c they desire the violence, but there are many instances where it's b/c those people became obsessed with sex and other things weren't good enough anymore.







**Sorry, I was trying to fix that but my internet is crapping out on me. High speed, my ass..

Jackie - posted on 10/01/2010

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THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION IS.... WHY? would feel like you HAD to use self control for something that is perfectly NATURAL???? That's what this whole thread is about. That is why I asked the question in the first place.

Jodi - posted on 10/01/2010

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"A teenager should not feel embarrassed that they have very strong sexual desires at times. For some teenagers, these feelings can be overwhelming strong; taking up all of their thoughts, and this is completely natural. As a teenager is experiencing huge hormonal changes, as their bodies are slowly turning from teenagers into men and women, this is quite natural. Along with these strong sexual thoughts, comes the urge to masturbate. Masturbation, of course, is a private issue but a teenager should know that desires to masturbate are normal and natural. A teen should not feel guilty to perform this act; it can offer relief from intense sexual thoughts. It can also prolong a teen from engaging in sexual intercourse. Sexual intercourse should be saved for when both partners are emotionally mature enough to handle all of the feelings and issues that go along with sex."





I am going to focus on this comment : "A teen should not feel guilty to perform this act; it can offer relief from intense sexual thoughts. It can also prolong a teen from engaging in sexual intercourse."

C. - posted on 10/01/2010

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Jodi, that is called sleep sex. It happens when people become obsessed with sex. I've known people to do it, too. And once they aware of their obsession with it and quit watching everything that had a naked man or woman in it, what do you know? They stopped. Obsession is also self control. If you do something too much, you will most likely become obsessed with it.

Kate CP - posted on 10/01/2010

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Rape is not a sexually motivated crime, it's a crime of violence and control. Many rapists don't even orgasm.

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Next thing you're going to tell me, Kate is that rapists don't have self control with taking out their sexual desires on an innocent someone.. BECAUSE THEIR ENDORPHIN MADE THEM DO IT?!?!?!?!?!?!!? Give me a BREAK!



People have self control, and that's that! Maybe you don't want to believe it b/c maybe you don't practice it? But people DO have self control, they just have to use it to know.

Jodi - posted on 10/01/2010

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Christina, I've known men who masturbate in their sleep. They don't even know they are doing it. It is a natural urge. Shit, I've woken up in the middle of the night having an orgasm not knowing I was masturbating, but must have somehow in my sleep and didn't know I was doing it.

"I'm in no way going to make them feel guilty about doing it"

Simply by telling them it is wrong you will make them feel guilty if they do it.

Kate CP - posted on 10/01/2010

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...what are you planning on doing with the popcorn? *waggles eyebrows*

Jackie - posted on 10/01/2010

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OK so sex, masturbating, "giving in to sexual desires", all release endorphins in the brain that gives ones self a feeling of exuberance. Why is that such a bad thing? You have to REALLY ask yourself (aside from what the Bible says) WHY would it be such a horrible thing.

Even primates masturbate.... for pleasure! And I'm willing to bet that ALL mammals would be doing the same thing if they had thumbs. gqtm.

I guess we'll all be burning in hell. I'll bring the porn. Who's bringing popcorn and lube?

Kate CP - posted on 10/01/2010

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There is NOT ONE chemical in our brain that MAKES us masturbate. It's ALL SELF CONTROL.

Yes, there is. It's called endorphine.

C. - posted on 10/01/2010

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Again, Donna.. I realize you haven't read all the responses, but I did address this in my last post to Jodi. It's not WHAT you teach your children about sex necessarily. It's HOW you teach them. Along with teaching them that you believe it is wrong to do those things, you HAVE to make it PERFECTLY clear that they are going to be able to come talk to you about EVERYTHING with the understanding that you are NOT going to freak out with whatever questions or comments they have.



(Please note that I am not yelling at you at all with the all CAPS.. I just don't feel like typing codes to stress my words right now.)

C. - posted on 10/01/2010

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Kate, that's not true. Not everyone gives in to their urges. You can believe that all you want. I know that there are people that CAN refrain from doing that. PEOPLE DO have self control, contrary to your belief. Just b/c YOU want to believe everyone masturbates does not make it so! Not everyone gives in to everything they WANT.



Just as an ex-alcoholic may WANT a drink, they have the self control NOT to drink. An ex-smoker WANTS cigarettes, but they have the self control NOT to smoke!



There is NOT ONE chemical in our brain that MAKES us masturbate. It's ALL SELF CONTROL.

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I haven't read any of the responses other than your last post Jackie and I agree with you. Kids shouldn't be taught that masturbation is 'wrong' or 'dirty', because it's not and because it screws with the poor kids' heads. I know this from experience. A very good friend of mine was always told as a kid that you should NEVER touch yourself. Forget going blind, she was told it was a sin and dirty and was right up there with being a porn star. Her mother was screwed up! At age 27, my friend had never masturbated, never saw her own genitalia and never let anyone else touch her in a sexual way. She was freakishly uptight and absolutely hated her body. She was 29 before she had her first boyfriend and allowed him to do a bit of heavy petting. She was 33 before she lost her virginity... in the dark, partly clothed. It was just so sad that she had such terrible body issues, when the reality was she was beautiful!!!!

So, there is a danger in teaching that something natural is 'dirty' and 'wrong'. My boys (3 1/2 and 21 months) have discovered "stress relief" and are somewhat discreet about it. They have a hands free style, but it is pretty obvious what they are doing if you watch them. My husband and I just ignore it for now because they aren't doing it in public or when we have people over, but when they get a little older we'll teach them that masturbation is something you do just for yourself and preferably not in front of us.

Kate CP - posted on 10/01/2010

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If some one says they don't masturbate THEY ARE LYING THROUGH THEIR DAMN TEETH.

C. - posted on 10/01/2010

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Ok, maybe a bad example.. How about it's like saying that watching porn is human nature and not a self control issue. It's human nature to love to look at people we are attracted to, is it not? But yet some people watch it and some people DON'T b/c some like to have that self control and others just don't care one way or the other. (And for the record, I'm not saying that people who watch porn don't have ANY self control, so PLEASE don't start.. I'm just trying to make a point that you can't make an excuse that something is human nature when you have the ability to control your actions, is all I'm saying. This was NOT to offend anyone that watches porn. What you watch is your business.)

C. - posted on 10/01/2010

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I'm in no way going to make them feel guilty about doing it, Jackie. And to even say that was my intent is just out of line. I don't think you even read my last few posts, b/c if you had you would know what I was trying to say.

And no, masturbating is not HUMAN NATURE. SEX ITSELF is human nature, not masturbation. And if people can refrain from masturbating, that means it is a SELF CONTROL ISSUE, not a chemical in their brain that MAKES them do it. That's like saying beating someone up you don't like is not a self control thing when it clearly IS.

Jackie - posted on 10/01/2010

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"Yes, Jodi. But I am also going to teach them that while it's wrong, I would rather they do that than every person they see. I just want to instill some kind of values in my children. They're not going to listen most likely about the masturbation being 'wrong', but at least when they are older, they're going to see just WHY I taught them that. If that makes sense."

You know what this sounds like to me... It sounds like you're saying that while you KNOW that your children are going to masturbate (because it human nature), your teaching will just make them feel guilty and dirty about doing it.

My point is, it's human nature, people are ARE GOING TO MASTURBATE whether they were taught it was wrong or otherwise so why make them feel guilty about it? Why make them feel like they just did something wrong?

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Jodi, I already explained in my post from earlier that I wasn't trying to offend anyone. And I certainly DO NOT think that just b/c some people think masturbation is Ok have no values whatsoever!!! That wasn't my intent at all, so please don't try to bring it to that. I've already tried to explain that in my other post.

Secondly, even though we (my family) were taught that masturbation was wrong, did not prevent us from talking about everything- and I mean EVERYTHING with my mom (as she was the one there at the time). We've talked about sex, puberty, masturbation, etc. Telling your kids that you believe it is wrong does not automatically build a wall between you and your children.

Also, if I know people that DON'T masturbate (and I know many, actually) then masturbation is not necessarily GOING to happen. It's not an automatic thing that goes off in your brain. It's a self control issue. People can, and HAVE refrained from masturbating and doing anything sexual with someone before marriage. My sisters were able to refrain from ALL of that. And my sisters and I talk very openly about sex all the time with each other. I know for a fact that if they HAD done something, it would have come up at some point in time as many years as we have been talking about it.

I really don't understand the logic behind 'if you teach them it's wrong, they won't be open about sex'. It's a HUGE misconception. Along with teaching that, just as with ANYTHING, you have to teach your children that the lines of communication are always open to talk about anything they feel needs to be addressed.

You do realize that even some people who don't teach their children that masturbation is 'wrong' also have children that won't talk about anything 'sex' with them.

It's all in the delivery. If you don't make it clear that they can always come to you about anything, they won't. If you tell them that they CAN come to you about everything and you don't freak out when they bring it up, they're more apt to be more open about everything in their life with you, not just sex itself.

Being open about sex has absolutely NOTHING to do with WHAT you teach them, it's HOW you teach them, Jodi.

Jodi - posted on 10/01/2010

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But Christina, you are insinuating that those of us who believe masturbation is not a sin and is actually perfectly natural and not wrong at all have no values. I do understand that this is your upbringing and your position on the issue, but that doesn't mean you have values and others don't.

Additionally, do you think that by teaching your children it is wrong, they may well not be open with you about other issues in relation to their sexuality, because by nature, they ARE going to masturbate. As a result, they may experience guilt and shroud any issue in relation to sex and puberty from you. Ultimately, this is not necessarily a positive outcome.

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Yes, Jodi. But I am also going to teach them that while it's wrong, I would rather they do that than every person they see. I just want to instill some kind of values in my children. They're not going to listen most likely about the masturbation being 'wrong', but at least when they are older, they're going to see just WHY I taught them that. If that makes sense.



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Instilling values and morals does not mean your child is going to listen, but in hopes that someday they will see just why you taught them that way while growing up. It's about living and learning. They may not see it now, just as I didn't at the time. But hopefully in time they will understand, just as I have.

Jodi - posted on 10/01/2010

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So Christina, if I am to read you correctly, you are going to teach your teenage children that masturbation is wrong?

I don't agree with you (not even a little bit), but just want to clarify your position.

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I will read all your links later, Sara. I'm far too tired to look at those right now and actually be able to pay attention to what I'm reading. Thank you for them, though, and I will take the time to read them. Just not tonight.



I do want to say that it's really all in your interpretation of the Bible, though. I do believe that giving in to sexual desires before marriage, including masturbation (or inside of a marriage, but giving in to someone other than your spouse, for those who want to bring that up-- Or masturbating and thinking of someone other than your spouse while doing so) is wrong. It's something I've always felt was just plain wrong.



Granted, I am not one to be all high and mighty about it. After all, I did give birth to my son just one month and nineteen days AFTER I got married. So obviously I have been there, done that. But I would prefer to teach my children someday that it's wrong and can cause problems in a relationship. Not masturbating, per se. But giving in to your sexual desires before marriage, period. I know for a fact that if my husband and I had waited until after we were married, we would not have had to go through SOME of the crap that we've already been through in 3 years of being together (2 years of being married). I want to teach my children that it's better to wait.



While saying that, yes I would prefer my children masturbate RATHER than going out and hopping on the first girl (or boy, if they so choose) b/c that can cause many problems- STDs, pregnancy, etc. But, I also want to teach them that it's better if they wait for it all. There's a reason people say sex was worth the wait. And if I know people that have waited to have sex until AFTER they were married, I know it's POSSIBLE. Not probable with the society we live in today, but I don't want my kids to be like everyone else. I want my children to have the same values I was taught- and that wasn't meant to offend anybody that doesn't want to bring their kids up the same way I do, just to be perfectly clear. I just want my kids to have it better than I did. I chose to do the things I did, yes-- Against what I had been taught. But that's how I know that what I was taught growing up actually had substance, it wasn't being thrown out there out of sheer control. I DO NOT want my kids to go through the same things my husband and I went through just b/c they don't want to wait. That goes for everything sex- masturbation, fooling around, actual intercourse, etc.



I know I'm tired, but I hope I've cleared things up a bit for you all. I hope you're able to see my views on this the way it was intended.

Stifler's - posted on 09/30/2010

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AHAHAHA. The bible is so weird. Not everything is literal and is often misinterpreted.

Kate CP - posted on 09/30/2010

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So masturbating while married is okay but if you're single its a sin?

Heather - posted on 09/30/2010

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You're trying to say that if you're married it's not a sin. We get it. We just don't agree that it's a sin outside of marriage because that's not what the bible says.

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