If babies came with insurance! edited.

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So my hunni brought to my attention something he heard while at the store this morning and even asked me to post on my "mommy group" about it. I apologise for not having the link so if anyone could post the actual article I would truly appreciate it! It should be in the toronto paper. So apparently a couple reported their van "stolen" to the police. Probably to get insurance money for it. When the police found the van in a parking lot in Toronto they discovered the couple's baby in the back, for obvious reasons they feel it is suspicious that the couple would report their vehicle missing but not their child. Probably thought the kid would just disappear or something. Hunni is just absolutely livid about this story he doesn't usually bother with the news but this one got to him so I'm posting it for discussion (I know my facts are hazy I'm sorry) so here's a question to get people started: Is there anything you would put before your child, house, vehicle? I just don't get why people are still trying to ditch their kids in life-threatening situations. It isn't like the old days where you drop a baby on a doorstep, if you don't want to be a parent there is children's services who would be more than happy to take your child!



Edited to add: Thank you so much for posting the actual story! I decided to leave my original post just because I always find it fascinating just how much a story can warp when it's heard second or third hand. I apologise for not having the facts beforehand and I'm so happy the toddler was returned unharmed! So I guess the real debate is about leaving children unattended. I'm surprised this is still happening my son comes with me even if I'm just running into the store for bread, maybe I'm paranoid but with stories like these how can you not be? There was another story of a lady closeby who while pulling out of her driveway got charged by an officer for leaving her child unattended in the vehicle. She had left her toddler still strapped into the carseat in the running car just so she could remove a garbage bin that had rolled in the way. Despite the fact she was just feet from the vehicle and still technically on her property she was still charged (not convicted though) because in the officers eyes "anything" could have happened with the vehicle still running and no adult within. Though it may seem excessive I have to agree it only takes seconds for something tragic to occur and if your child is out of arms reach then you're too far. Any thoughts?

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Jenn - posted on 01/14/2011

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Would it be any different if you were in the car with them Meghan? Things like that can happen at any given time - you being there isn't going to stop it.

Meghan - posted on 01/14/2011

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I only have the one son, so it is easier for me compared to someone who has multiple kids. I empathize with that. But the town I live in has a pub right across the parking lot...what if someone came and crashed into my car in that 30 seconds? I don't think it is neglectful. Just stating my view based on my life.

Bonnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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There are some really terrifying stories out there, but like many of you I do the same. When it comes to paying for gas or bringing stuff into the house, I usually leave the kids in the van during that time, but only during those times. If I can avoid it, like if there is a drive thru at the coffee shop or the bank, when they are with me, I use it. If I have to go into a store, I take them with me always because I never know how long I am truly going to be.
A really good friend of mine and my husband told us a story recently of when he was at a drug store. He parked his car right beside another vehicle that had a toddler in it, but no adult. He was furious about it. He went inside and started yelling throughout the store, "I can't effin believe this, some ignorant a$$ just left a toddler alone in the car." The mother of the child eventually caught on to what she heard dropped the things she was going to purchase and flew out. He said that by the look on her face, she wasn't really embarassed but more so scared someone would likely call the cops on her. This was more than just a couple of minutes though.

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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Well it isn't an option here. I have 5 kids in car seats so I can only do a couple at a time and someone is always in the house especially in winter while I am buckling the younger ones in. Then some are in the car while I go back in the house for the others. It is great in theory if it works for you but isn't always possible for all. I do daycare and three are babies so they can't walk out so I usually take my 4 yr old and one of the babies out first and then run in for the other two babies.

Jodi - posted on 01/13/2011

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The only time I've left my child in the car is when my van is still in my garage (not running) with the garage door closed. Our garage is connected to the house and it's usually because I forgot the key or my wallet, which are located right inside the door. I always pay at the pump and I will wake her up if I have to just to grab a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread. Once my twins come, I'll just do without the gallon of milk or loaf of bread until I have to do actually grocery shopping or make my hubby pick it up on his way home from work. I live in a small town and I just can't imagine leaving my daughter in the car alone where anything could happen.

I can remember as a kid hearing about a mom who left her children (who were older, like 4 and 6 or something) in the car at a gas station and another car rear ended hers while she was in the store. The kids weren't hurt and it could have happened with her in the car as well, but it's just another example of the kinds of things that could have been prevented. (I mean, her kids could have been IN the store with her instead of in the car, that part could have been prevented.)

Tara - posted on 01/13/2011

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That's awful Kelly.
I would never leave my little kids in the car when I'm in the city (which is just a bigger town) at Walmart or somewhere like that. But my older ones, sure no problem. When I have to pay for gas, or get the mail, or run into the house, or drop off/pick up kids from things, I bring the dog, lock the doors and go. She honestly would rip a hole in anyone who tried to get in.

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OMG Kelly that is horrendous, I think with a gun pointed at me I would have told the man he could have my car but I was getting my kid out first, your no good to anyone if your shot, but I suppose you don't think logically, such a sad story and what a loss!

If I have to get diesel for the car I use a pay at the pump when my son is with me, I would never leave him in the car to pay, if I had to go in I would take him out the car. The only time I leave my son in the car is when we get home I leave him locked in the car while I unlock my front door and throw my bag in, then I unload him from the locked car, although I can always see he is safe.

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I'm sure we have some crazy teens too, but car theft is extremely stupid when you have no where to take it. ;)

The 2 top crimes (that I know of) here are drug use/selling and domestic violence.

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God I wish the teens here were as harmless, not long ago a couple of teen boys beat and raped a woman my age at the school across from my house. What she was doing walking through an empty school in the middle of the night I don't know but even the teenagers here are psycho :(

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I will leave my son to pay for gas or put stuff upstairs at the house before carrying him in (when he's asleep). I leave him to grab the mail when he doesn't want to come in w/ me (but he usually does). Other than that I don't leave him unless his sisters are in w/ him.

Car theft is so extremely rare here and I would guesstimate that 99% of them would be teenagers out for a 'joy ride'. I don't ever lock my van and my keys are always inside. Been that way my entire driving 'career'.

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I never, ever leave my son in the car alone and this is why. Those of you who have been around a while, know this story, so you can skip it, but for the rest of you, a little story from my past.



I grew up in a very small town where everyone knew everyone. One day after picking up my class mate (he was 5 or 6, as I remember) from school, his mother stopped for gas. This was before "pay at the pump" and she left him locked in the car while she ran in to pay for her gas. She could see him the whole time. The man in front of her robbed the station. He then pointed his gun at her and demanded her keys. Her son was in the car, so obviously, she refused, he shot her and took the keys and the car, child in tow. She died from the gunshot wound. The robber ditched the child by a corn field, but the boy wandered into it instead of staying on the roadside, so no one could find him. He died as well.



I do let my son stay in the car while I actually pump the gas, but I am standing right there beside him, usually with the window down so I can talk to him. If someone decided to steal my car, I would let them, but I would ask for my son first.

Laura - posted on 01/13/2011

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I agree with Sherri, I do leave my 2 year old in the car when I take my oldest into preschool. and you'd better believe that when baby 3 comes i'm not unloading 3 kids under the age of 5 to go pay for gas (even though I usually pay at the pump) If I do have to run inside somewhere it is always where my car and kids are still in my line of sight. And I think that every time I get the kids buckled into the car I realize something I forgot inside the house.

I think there are lines that need to be drawn. I would never go into the grocery store, even for a loaf of bread cuz I couldn't see the car, I would however go into the post office or gas station.

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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I live in a very small town. I have always run in my house with my children in the car, run into the local convenient store, I just lock the door, I also leave all the other kids in the car when I walk my son into preschool. It is very common here but we don't even lock our houses and we leave our keys in the cars overnight etc. but my sister in FL they can't even be in their own home without all doors and windows locked. Never mind ever dream of leaving a child in the car to run even the smallest errand.

Jenn - posted on 01/13/2011

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I have left my kids in the truck to pay for gas, but I lock the doors and I have the keys. Sorry, but I'm not unloading a 4 year old and 2-2 year olds just to hand some guy a $20. That's the only time I leave them in the truck though - not to run into a store.

Meghan - posted on 01/13/2011

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a 10 and 8 year old different. But J just turned 2....and he has super ninja powers...I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to get out of his carseat and tried to drive away

Tara - posted on 01/13/2011

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There isn't anything that comes between me and my children, however I have left my kids in the car, not alone, but with each other, and always with the dog in the van well. She is a big, black lab/boxer cross and always sits in the drivers side. If anyone but me tried to get in that van she simply would not allow it.
Again I live in a tiny little town, and I don't leave them for long. But I do leave my 10 or 8 year old alone in the van, not a big deal to me.

Meghan - posted on 01/13/2011

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Well, this is one of the reasons I NEVER leave my son alone in the car. Is it annoying to pack/unpack a kid to run in to hand the attended a 20? YES, but I wouldn't be able to live with myself if something ever happened to my son.
Before I had him I didn't understand what the big deal was...lock the doors, run in and pay, run out. But after having him, it just never occurred to me to actually leave him alone ever. So I guess to answer your question....no there is absolutely NOTHING in this world that comes before my boy.

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As I mentioned I was just relaying what I had heard of the story, sucks when you don't have the actual article on hand.

Jenn - posted on 01/13/2011

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I saw this story but I think you missed some key points. They most certainly did report that their child was in the van and were quite concerned. The van was found a short time later behind a strip club. I'm pretty sure they didn't do it "to get insurance money for it."

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