Is The Rapist A Victim Too?

?? - posted on 09/24/2010 ( 45 moms have responded )

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On Oprah today (Devon told me today that I watch too much Oprah) there was a woman who went on the show to tell the story about her being raped.

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Craigslis...

Sarah's ex-boyfriend posted an ad on CraigsList, he stole pictures (of the victim) from her MySpace page, and posted the caption: 'Need an aggressive man with no concern or regard for women. If interested, contact Sarah'

When Sarah went home one morning, she was grabbed from behind and pushed into her home. The man raped her vaginally and anally before using a knife sharpener to further brutalize her. He held a knife to the throat and threatened to kill her. He tied her up and he called her names throughout the attack. After he left, Sarah called 911.

The medical attendees said that they have never seen a sexual attack that left so many wounds. The piece of paper where they mark all of the bruising, cuts and other abrasions was covered in notes, so much so that they ran out of space and had to write on the back of the page.

While Sarah was in the hospital, her fiance returned to the home to get her reading glasses. He found another man in their living room, with camera equipment. When he was asked why he was there, he said that J Stipe told him to be there. J Stipe, is Sarah's ex-boyfriend.

According to the police report, there were 161 replies to the Craigslist ad. The man that raped Sarah, was 26-year-old Ty McDowell, a married father of two who worked as a radiology technician at the local hospital. McDowell told detectives he thought he was fulfilling Sarah's rape fantasy.

Both Ty McDowell and Sarah's ex-boyfriend, Jebediah Stipe plead guilty to sexual assault and were sentanced to 60 years in prison.


Some of the people from Sarah's home town don't think Ty McDowell should have been charged so harshly, because he thought that was what she wanted. He was misled to believe that she was playing along and that it was her fantasy coming true. Sarah even said that some of her co-workers, who KNOW the full story, that heard Ty admit that he raped her and he replied to the ad because she wanted an "aggressive man with no concern or regard for women" they still believe that Sarah made it all up and that she wanted it. That Ty was only doing what he thought she wanted.



What do you think? Should he have been charged so harshly? Did he get what he deserved?


On a side note; Have you checked Craigslist to make sure your name isn't up there without knowing about it?

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Sharon - posted on 09/25/2010

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The one thing that makes me think the rapist wasn't a victim - was the brutality of the rape. This could have killed her. If there is a woman who enjoys rape - so be it - I won't stand in her way. There is NOT a woman who enjoys being brutalised to death. Its a little hard to carry on with your fantasies when you're dead.

?? - posted on 09/24/2010

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They both plead guilty, they're both in jail, they both got 60 years.

Charlie - posted on 09/24/2010

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As sick as it is the rape fantasy is actually more popular than people like to think there is apparently a website where you can "order" a rape on yourself , gross ,sick , but its reality so this is why i feel that the man who answered is a fucking sadistic idiot BUT he was tricked into committing a crime really how was he to know it wasnt genuine ? , should he be punished ? yes but stipe should punished far worse IMO .i also think Craigslist should be charged for even printing the ad and encouraging this behavior .

Sara - posted on 09/24/2010

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Regardless of what he thought, he did not obtain express consent from her to perform those horrible acts. He assulted her. He raped her. I hope he has a cell mate in prison named "Big PeeWee" who gives him the same courtesy he gave that poor girl. Same goes for the ex-boyfriend. What an asshole.



Saz--Craigslist is a online classified forum for specific cities and towns here in the US. You can post things for sale, or put up personal ads. It's free and there's been some debate about what should be allowed to be posted on there and what shouldn't. There was a "Craigslist Killer" who found women on the site, arranged to meet them and then killed them (prostitutes I think). It's controversial, but I've sold things on it before.

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It's a hard one because she was raped in an horrendous manner. Stipe was very clever in the way he set this up, he did use the rapist and made it so the rapist would think it was a fantasy, however, it would be advisable to meet face to face BEFORE attempting this 'fantasy' to make sure both of you are happy and comfortable with it, and even to have a written contract which is signed by both parties incase the woman later decides to cry rape as protection for the man. The fact that the rapist did none of this makes him guilty.

I have issues as well because there has to be a point where as a particpant in a fantasy play you have to think wow this girl can't be that good an actress and stop, then if she is that good an actress you can carry on. It concerns me that the rapist didn't question that something felt wrong, and she wasn't into it.

I'm sure the court would have taken into account the knowledge level of the rapist, there must be more to his knowledge level of the actual event than we know about because his punishment was really high.

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Stifler's - posted on 09/26/2010

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Pffft. All the people who replied should be in jail just for being themselves.

Jane - posted on 09/26/2010

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He deserved every year he got. No "MAN" would ever do that even IF a woman truly wanted it!

Charlie - posted on 09/25/2010

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But how did Ty know it wasnt legit ? as i said before people use services via internet to set up fantasy rapes all the time through a third party , im not saying what he did isn't wrong , it is , what i am saying is he was lead into a crime by a person who planned and acted knowing the full consequences of his actions to me Stipe should have a harsher sentence ( although Ty should be charged harshly too )

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I didn't realise they knew they were speaking with Stipe, in that case I agree 60 years is appropriate and yes Stipe should have received life.

Heather - posted on 09/25/2010

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I don't care if Ty thought he was communicating with Sarah. He obviously spoke directly with Stipe because he and several other men were able to give Stipe's name. They knew it wasn't legit and just wanted an excuse to violate and hurt another human being. Stipe was even going to have one guy film it! I totally think 60 years is a decent sentence for Ty, but Stipe should have gotten life based on the 20 counts of attempted/facilitated rape and then the actuall rape. This guy is a sick F*%$ and I'm all for sentencing him to castration too!

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Although he is sadistic, Ty thought he was making arrangements with Sarah. He and Stipe may have agreed to what they were going to do before the rape, with him thinking Sarah was telling him what she wanted. Ty does still deserve to be jailed but not for as long as he was, he was used by Stipe, Ty was stupid in not meeting Sarah before the rape and although yes he did rape her ultimately Stipe should be more accountable for the rape, he may not have actually done the deed but setting it up the way he did is worse imo. Ty should have had more sense when he was 'role playing' with Sarah and should have checked that everything was ok though, which is why I feel he should be jailed for rape.

?? - posted on 09/25/2010

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Oh, also, not every ad on Craigslist is monitored - which is why the ad wasn't seen. Sarah found the ad on Craigslist BEFORE the attack, she called them immediately and it was taken down right away, but it was already too late.

According to police, 161 people responded to the fraudulent Craigslist ad. "I was only aware that 20 people had actually responded and [that Stipe] had set up several dates and times for people to come to my house and do this to me," Sarah says. "I never imagined that there would be people like that out there that would hurt others."

"After coming under fire for sexual ads, Craigslist removed the "adult services" section from its U.S. website. But authorities say crimes like this one can happen on any social network."

It was AFTER the attack that she learned that her ex was behind the Craigslist ad.

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I'm so glad the rapist is in jail. That's where every rapist deserves to be. There is NO excuse for forcing a woman to have sex... ever!

Tracey - posted on 09/25/2010

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Maybe in prison these two will meet men with male rape fantasies, then see how they like it.

?? - posted on 09/24/2010

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As well, the ad didn't have any further information, the men contacted who they thought was Sarah - who was actually her ex boyfriend Stipe. He then instructed the the men about what to do. J Stipe told the men where to find Sarah.



I don't know the exact details of the emails but it was all Stipe's instruction - McDowell just followed what he was told "Sarah wanted."







Just to clarify, I'm not justifying what he did by any means - just clarifying what seems to be missing facts.

Alahnna - posted on 09/24/2010

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Sorry, but rapist is not a victim too in this case. I didn't see anywhere in that add where it asked to BEAT her and Brutalize her, nearly murder her. Rough sex is one thing, this was a whole different level way above that

JuLeah - posted on 09/24/2010

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Sarah's ex ought to have been charged too. Sex games can be fun, but all player need to agree prior on the rules of play. She did not sign up for that and likely, had she been asked, would not have agreed. The guy wanted to rape and this excuse was as good as any other.
Ex bf ought to be in jail for the same amount of time. I am not a big believer in jail = reform, but folks like this, that can't in my opinion be reformed, it is a good place to house them until they die

Isobel - posted on 09/24/2010

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she was raped with a knife sharpener...and they showed the actual sharpener on the episode...my guess from the pics was that it was approximately 8 inches long and one centimeter around...unbelievable.

Charlie - posted on 09/24/2010

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I couldnt find it on the link , i just took it as the rapist THOUGHT he was answering a rape fantasy ad , i know she didnt ask for it and i am glad he is behind bars any man that answers to being "an aggressive man with no concern or regard for women. " is seriously fucked up and dangerous (obviously) does the episode give more info on the rapist ?

Sharon - posted on 09/24/2010

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they can trace the original ad to find out what ISP the ad was posted from. That ought to answer some of the questions.

They should offer a plea deal - not less jail time - but more priviledges - to get some answers of out the ex.

if the stories match up - then yeah the dumbfuck who who fulfilled the "fantasy" should get a lighter sentence.

But he does need a harsh sentence. YEARS away form his family. Frankly we need to bring back stoning and lashes for assholes like him.

Isobel - posted on 09/24/2010

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you need to see the episode...this was no rape fantasy...she's lucky she's alive.

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So if someone said it was their fantacy to watch a man jump off a cliff, would he be so desperate to fulfill that one too? I doubt it. He did what he did because he wanted to. The reason this man was charged so harshly is because law enforcement considers him a danger to sociciety and so do I.

Stephanie - posted on 09/24/2010

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im sorry but i believe that he is a sick man because what woman wants to be raped and beaten. i know people roll play but come on. obviously him and the other men that responded have wanted to abuse a woman.

Sara - posted on 09/24/2010

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Really, people like that piss me off for the simple fact that they're breathing my air!!!!

Krista - posted on 09/24/2010

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Plus it just goes to show what kind of man that ex is that he thought her current fiance would leave her for being raped. Her current fiance obviously has more integrity in his little finger than Ty and Jebediah have in their worthless, waste-of-oxygen carcasses.

Isobel - posted on 09/24/2010

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NO, he's not. (any kind of victim)I don't care what somebody tells you, you don't get the right to penetrate a woman with a knife sharpener...that assertion is ridiculous!



the doctor ran out of space on the diagram charting all of her injuries...it was absolutely disgusting...not any kind of fantasy or role playing.



ARGH! Even the thought of it makes me crazy

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Yes he deserved it! I don't agree w/ that kind of violence anyway even if it IS wanted, but how can someone inflict that kind of violence towards someone w/out making absolute 100% SURE that it is ok w/ the other person?! Ty is either really sick or really stupid... or both!

Becky - posted on 09/24/2010

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This man's actions went waaaaaaaaaay beyond some weird rough sex! He brutally attacked and threatened to kill this woman. I think he deserves exactly what he got. His actions demonstrate that he is capable of some seriously depraved and brutal actions. I'm sure she was screaming and crying, at the very least, if he only thought he was fulfilling her fantasy, he should have stopped and checked that she was okay. Personally, I think he saw the ad and saw it as an opportunity to rape someone and get away with it!
And her ex-boyfriend should have his nuts cut off.

Sara - posted on 09/24/2010

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Ugh. That's fucking disgusting. There is seriously something wrong with some people.

?? - posted on 09/24/2010

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Oprah asked her if he said anything to her about why he did it and Sarah said that she speculates that he did it because he was mad at her becoming engaged to her new boyfriend.

After the rape - before there was any media coverage - after she was out of the hospital, her ex texted her and said things like "If you need anyone to talk about this with, let me know." "I'll always be there for you." "If there is anything you need after all of this, let me know." Things of that nature. She said that besides the rape, there was nothing else that he could be referring to by "this."

So she thinks that he thought that her fiance would leave her because of the things that happened to her, and that he would be able to sweep in and be her knight in shining armor.

(Her and her fiance are getting married next month.)

Sara - posted on 09/24/2010

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Jo, did they say what motivated her ex to do this? Was he just mad because they had a bad break up or what? Because that is some sick shit.

?? - posted on 09/24/2010

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Craigslist has since taken down an "adult companion/advertisement" section on their US website because of this (and a few other instances) happened.

One thing [out of many] that bothers me about this - the guy and 160 other guys all replied to the ad. They all sent J Stipe a message saying they would do it. Two of them, actually did go to the house to follow through with it.

This poor girl, possibly has 159 other men out there, that know her face, that think she wants to fulfill a rape fantasy. I'm sure that J Stipe replied to more than just the 2 guys that showed up.

Rosie - posted on 09/24/2010

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this is a tough one for me. i need more of the story. but as it sits right now, i think he should be held responsible. why didn't he contact her? how did he know where she lived, was it posted in the ad? did the ad say, just come on in and assault me?
if he talked to whom he thought was this woman beforehand i think he could be labeled as victim.

Sara - posted on 09/24/2010

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It sounds like this guy had a brutal rape fantasy for himself and didn't stop to think about the ramifications. Among other things, he's a total idiot.

Tara - posted on 09/24/2010

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Ludicrous and shameful.
He made a choice to brutalize another person. Even if he thought she wanted it, she did not give consent, furthermore what kind of person would do those things to someone they didn't know at all, had never spoken to and didn't already share a sexual relationship with.
If two consenting adults want to act out their fantasies (whatever floats your boat) that's fine but two strangers?!
forget it. lock them up and throw away the key.

Petra - posted on 09/24/2010

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Holy shit... this is crazy! Even if he feels he was perfectly justified in what he did because, from his end, he had her complete consent, he was STILL happily brutalizing another human being. My god, this is scary.

Anyone hear what happened to the ex in this wonderful anecdote about the human capacity for depravity?

Krista - posted on 09/24/2010

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I don't care if he thought it was in fun or not. He was married, and he showed himself capable of some seriously nasty brutality. This wasn't like hardcore S&M between consenting adults, which always has strict rules, safe words, and a full understanding of consent prior to the act. He screwed around on his wife and took the opportunity to savagely hurt another woman.

No decent man would do that.

Sarah - posted on 09/24/2010

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What is Craigslist???

I think he totally got the right sentence! It's incredible that he actually believed that ad.....which seems to NOT mention wanting to be raped at any point anyway. (unless there's more that isn't in the OP)

Plus the fact that even if she DID want to act out a rape fantasy, I highly doubt that ANY woman would want it to go to the point of being assaulted with a knife sharpener. It's just ridiculous that he thought what he did was "what she wanted" I think it just a convenient way for him to do what HE wanted.

This story actually makes me feel sick. I'm glad he got such a harsh sentence, her ex too. Sickos the pair of them.

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Cathy from what I read I got the impression he thought he was talking to her not a man, although I could be wrong I am tired , the babies teething again :-)

?? - posted on 09/24/2010

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They didn't touch on that in the interview or from the other interviews that I read. The guy only had contact with Jebediah Stipe, for all I/we know, he did 'establish' a safe word with Stipe, but didn't know that Stipe wouldn't pass it onto Sarah. Or he could have just thought that Stipe was Sarah, and had no idea that Stipe even existed :\

Jessica - posted on 09/24/2010

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Hmmmm... This is a difficult one.

I'm inclined to say that he should have contacted her first, established a safe word and so on. So yes, I suppose it is fair.

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