Is this a JOKE????

Katherine - posted on 02/16/2011 ( 22 moms have responded )

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The people of South Dakota may claim to be "pro-life," but their recent actions suggest they are anything but.

South Dakota lawmakers are considering a bill that could legalize the murder of abortion providers. Specifically, it would alter the state's definition of "justifiable homicide" to include "resisting an attempt to harm" an unborn child related to the killer.

In other words, as Mother Jones writer points out:

If the bill passes, it could in theory allow a woman's father, mother, son, daughter, or husband to kill anyone who tried to provide that woman an abortion—even if she wanted one.

I can't wrap my head around the newest strategy of these alleged "pro-life" activists: Because to me anyone who would advocate for a law that would allow the killing of a human being negates their right to identify as "pro-life."

It should be said that the bill's chief sponsor, State Representative Phil Jensen, does not agree with above interpretation of the bill. In fact, he defended it to the Washington Post, arguing that the intention of the bill was merely to bring consistency to South Dakota's criminal code, and that it would not legalize the killing of abortion doctors:

It would if abortion was illegal ... This code only deals with illegal acts. Abortion is legal in this country. This has nothing to do with abortion. In other words, since abortion is not "homicide," the law could not apply.

But abortion rights supporters don't believe him for a second. That's simply because South Dakota already has some of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country, rendering it nearly impossible for women to safely terminate a pregnancy in the state.

It's not a stretch to imagine this bill -- regardless of its true intentions -- as playing a role in encouraging some extremist activists to kill abortion doctors. That's exactly why abortion rights activists are so scared of it.

Moreover, right-wing groups with anti-abortion agendas -- including the Family Heritage Alliance, Concerned Women for America, the South Dakota branch of Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum, and a political action committee called Family Matters in South Dakota -- have thrown their weight behind the proposed bill. Are you going to tell me they are solely interested in the provision that brings "consistency" to the criminal code? Because I, for one, am not buying it ...

Just like I'm not buying that the people behind this bill are truly dedicated to preserving "life" as they so desperately want us to believe.

What do you think of the latest "pro-life" strategy?

http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/1...

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Becky - posted on 02/16/2011

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Except that hit men are doing a job that is illegal, while abortion doctors currently are not.

Jenni - posted on 02/16/2011

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Wow! How backwards. I won't even comment on the ridiculousness of this. It couldn't possibly pass.

If it did, what's next? Stoning women who get abortions?

Jodi - posted on 02/16/2011

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I'm going with the fucking morons response. AND I agree it is hypocritical. This is not pro-life, this is anti-abortion bullshit.

Jocelyn - posted on 02/16/2011

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Well I guess those SD Pro-lifers are only Pro-cute-little-baby-lifers. Fuck everyone else.

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Jodi - posted on 02/17/2011

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You don't say....bad idea huh? Sounds like someone finally had the sense knocked into them.

Katherine - posted on 02/17/2011

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This is a huge topic now, I found the original article. Now they say this:

It seemed like a good idea at the time, perhaps, but now the South Dakota legislature is having second thoughts about its incendiary bill justifying murder to prevent abortions. The House speaker announced Wednesday that the bill has been put on hold while legislators decide how to proceed. The governor's office has called the legislation "a very bad idea." Last week, South Dakota's House Judiciary Committee voted to approve the bill, which states that "homicide is justifiable if committed by any person in the lawful defense of such person, or of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant, or the unborn child of any such enumerated person." Many involved in the abortion debate couldn't believe their ears when they heard about the proposal, reports the New York Times. Supporters, however, contend it's a good way to "save human lives" by driving abortion-performing doctors out of the state.

http://slatest.slate.com/id/2285457/



Edit to add: "A very bad idea?" LOL!!!!

Sarah - posted on 02/17/2011

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THIS IS INSANE!

Is this for real? FREAKING INSANE!

'I'm pro-life so i'm going to murder a doctor' :/

WHAT DUMBASS CAME UP WITH THAT?



i actually am pro-life.. which means i don't believe any murder is right! You can't go murdering doctors because they legally terminate pregnancies! What the hell is wrong with these people?

We're talking about 21st century America for goodness sake!

FREAKING NUT CASES!



Yes Jennifer! Stoning women who abort for the win! lol!

I can't believe i'm even having this conversation it is so utterly barbaric!

Angela - posted on 02/16/2011

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REALLY?!!
Oh my Goodness,what is this world coming to?
I dont believe in abortion unless its in a severe circumstance, But come on now,people?
There just making themselves look like fools.
So its wrong to have an abortion but its fine and well to kill the doctor performing it? Okey! Someones a can short of a 6 pack!!!

Iridescent - posted on 02/16/2011

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It's a very valid point though. I totally understand your view. Also, what about the abortions that are performed because the fetus is proven to be incompatible with life? Or the fetus is killing the mother, or the choice is between multiples dying or one living? There are many situations that we can't judge.

Becky - posted on 02/16/2011

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Well, I agree that a fetus is alive and I do view abortion as killing a baby. I am pro-life. I guess maybe my initial response didn't reflect that. But to me, pro-life means all life. I understand the idea of self-defense and probably would kill someone if I had to to save my child's life. But the idea of protecting people who kill abortion doctors still causes some cognitive disconnect with me. It just doesn't sit right. It worries me that it would open the door for abortion clinic bombings and stuff that could kill innocent people (women just there for the free pregnancy test or counselling, or passers-by) in addition to the abortion doctor. Would self-defense still be a defense then? Although, I guess if there are no abortion clinics in SD, that wouldn't really be an issue.

Iridescent - posted on 02/16/2011

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Good point! I missed that. I still don't think it's acceptable to draw the lines in that way, when to many a fetus is alive and it is being killed in an abortion, and essentially the jobs are the same. If the law changed to say all children under 3 should be killed, would you allow it? The law did that in Moses' day. It was legal, and done. Isn't that murder?

Iridescent - posted on 02/16/2011

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Becky, I think based on your reply, you could use the same to post this...
Hit men are doing their jobs, yet it's legal to kill them in self defense. They even go to prison for it. And accomplices are charged as such (I'm sure that's what the mother would be in this case). Does that mean hit men should have a protected status when it's their job?

Becky - posted on 02/16/2011

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Wow! So it's wrong to kill unborn babies but okay to kill adults who are just doing their job? Why not make it legal to kill the mother too - after all she's the one murdering her child? (sorry for the inflammatory language, just making a point.)
I am pro-life, but this is pretty twisted.

Iridescent - posted on 02/16/2011

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Not a joke. There are no abortion clinics in SD, and there is only one doctor which flies in weekly to perform abortions in Sioux Falls as is. In addition to this bill, another was started as a JOKE (in retaliation for the health care bill that passed; the point being made was if government could force you to buy health care, it can force you to buy anything) which states if you're 21 and live in SD, you're required to buy and own a gun. Combine the two laws and you've got a guaranteed death for the one abortion doctor!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/...
By the way, it appears the gun law will pass (along with the murder one for abortion docs) because both have IMMENSE support.

LaCi - posted on 02/16/2011

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LOL.



I'm kind of surprised it's south dakota? You could expect to hear about these things out of Texas or Kansas or something. But South Dakota? Maybe it's spreading. :)

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