Is this sexist ??

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 05/09/2011 ( 12 moms have responded )




Hillary Clinton's expression, right hand clasped over her mouth in astonishment, is largely responsible for making the above photo iconic--and, to at least one newspaper, sexually suggestive.

In the photo, President Obama and his national security team are huddled around a conference table in the White House Situation Room, watching CIA director Leon Panetta narrate last Sunday's raid on Osama bin Laden's compound. The mood is clearly tense.

When Women's Wear Daily consulted a coterie of photo editors and designers about why the image is "destined to be one for the history books," Clinton was foremost in their responses.

"The Hillary Clinton expression is the one that holds the photograph fully," Time's photo director told the magazine. "You can see 10 years of tension and heartache and anger in Hillary's face," Conde Nast's Scott Dadich agreed.

Turns out she was probably just coughing during that crucial moment captured by White House photographer Pete Souza. But nevertheless, the image still proved a bit too racy for at least one of the many newspapers that printed it.

That would be the Ultra-Orthodox Hasidic broadsheet Der Tzitung. The paper photoshopped Clinton, as well at the only other woman who could be seen in the room, out of the frame.

"Apparently the presence of a woman, any woman, being all womanly and sexy all over the United States' counterterrorism efforts was too much for the editors of Der Tzitung to handle," noted the prominent women's blog Jezebel.

Indeed, "The Hasidic newspaper will not intentionally include any images of women in the paper because it could be considered sexually suggestive," Rabbi Jason Miller explains in The Jewish Week. Though he notes that the publication's "fauxtograpphing" may in fact be a graver act against their religious tenets: "To my mind, this act of censorship is actually a violation of the Jewish legal principle of g'neivat da'at (deceit)."

Beyond that, Der Tzitung's editors apparently missed or blatantly ignored the guidelines stipulated on the official White House Flickr page, where the photo was released for use by news organizations: "The photograph may not be manipulated in any way."

The White House has not issued a response on the altered image.


Kristine - posted on 05/09/2011




If you go back to the page they added an update at the bottom of the article, as follows:


UPDATE: The editors of Der Tzitung have apologized to the White House for altering the photo and responded to the Washington Post with a comment clarifying their position:

"In accord with our religious beliefs, we do not publish photos of women, which in no way relegates them to a lower status... Because of laws of modesty, we are not allowed to publish pictures of women, and we regret if this gives an impression of disparaging to women, which is certainly never our intention. We apologize if this was seen as offensive."


It's ironic that what we see this as sexist. Does treating women and men differently actually make something sexist? Removing a woman from a photo because they do not print photos of women in their publication, is from their perspective actually protecting and uplifting women as better than men. From the radical hasidic jewish point of view women are more valuable than to be printed on some cheap paper and handed about for anyone to see. They are actually protecting the sanctity of the women by removing them. So I have to ask, is leaving the men in the photo sexist towards men?


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Well, duh of course it is. It's a bunch of religious men who use their holy book instead of their brain.

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 05/09/2011




see Kristine you could start a new thread about that one, Good point! =))

Dana - posted on 05/09/2011




It's not the look on her face or the fact that she has her hand over her mouth. It's the fact that she's a woman and they don't acknowledge women at all.
It's ignorant but, so are a lot of different religious views.

JuLeah - posted on 05/09/2011




The woman standing in the back was removed from the photo also, so it is not just Ms. Clinton, though I agree the look on her face does capture the mood of it all and ought to be the one the history books use

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 05/09/2011




If they think her being in the pic is Sexy..they would surly kill over seeing voluptuous lady from Modern Family…I cant remember her name??? Anyone know

Amber - posted on 05/09/2011




haha Loureen, that was exactly what I was thinking! How is she sexy? They obviously need to decrease the dosage on their Viagra if they're getting a rise out of that photo.

Rosie - posted on 05/09/2011




so some jews don't like women in pictures? fuck yeah that's sexist. when will people in this world get over this stupid way of thinking that men cannot control themselves once they see a woman, no matter what she's doing or wearing, or that women are apparantly just born to be temptresses. sigh...

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