Johnny is being a witch

Tara - posted on 10/25/2011 ( 39 moms have responded )

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So a friend's son is being a witch for Halloween, he is 7 years old. He is wearing his sisters costume from 2 years ago. It is a dress with gold suns, moons and stars, matching hat and it also has wings, not sure why but it does, very cute.
His dad is having a shit fit. He says he will not take him out trick or treating, and mom has a new baby at home. He has also said he would just plain go to a buddy's on halloween if his son decides to be a witch.
Now this year his daughter, the previous witch is being a mechanic, she is wearing coveralls, a wig and cap and a fake moustache!!
So mom says "Kayla is being a man why can't johnny be a witch?"
Dad says "Kayla could really be a mechanic, not a guy one obviously, but Johnny could never actually be a witch"
Huh? Yeah and the kid next door can never actually be a vampire either, but that's not stopping him from dressing up as one!
What do you think?

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Krista - posted on 10/26/2011

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@Sherri: So...um...why would your theoretical girls be allowed to dress as men at any age, but your boys are only allowed to dress as women once they're teenagers?

I'm confused.

Tara - posted on 10/26/2011

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lol to some of the comments.
The daughter is wearing a wig and a stache cause her uncle is a mechanic and he is the only one she knows, she was told girls are also mechanics, but she insisted on a stache like uncle jack's. and they got the wig cause she has long blonde hair and wanted again to look like uncle jack.
Dad is still being an asshat (love that saying Krista!!) and insists that the kid change his costume to something more boyish, like a ghoul or a monster or something, kid insists on wearing the dress.
Seems like the kid isn't being repressed at all, doesn't give a rats ass about his dad's opinion on this. Probably empowered by his mom and his sister.
Now we'll just see if Dad follows through on his threat. Mom already made arrangements to have the son go out with a friend and his parents anyway!
Dad will look really dumb now.

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Brittany - posted on 10/26/2011

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LOL!!

I just told my husband about this! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

He said if our son said he wanted to be a fairy he would allow Caoleb to dress as a fairy and he would let me put all the make up and such on him and then he would put a fake beard on him! He said that would be awesome. This coming from a 6'0, 250lb, hunter/fisher and (occasional) beer drinker.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Brittany - posted on 10/26/2011

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In the words of Lady Gaga herself:

"I was born this way!"

If my son came to me and said he wanted to dress in his sister fairy costumes, guess what he would be a fairy. Screw the public and what they think. He is happy and healthy and if you really think there is a problem you go right ahead and call DHR and tell them I let my son wear a fairy costume.

No offense to your friend but, her hubby sounds like a big cry baby.

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The boy is no more or less capable of being a witch than his sister is, so that argument from the dad is moot. Plus, Why on Earth is it okay for a girl to dress like a boy at any age, but it's not okay for a boy to dress like a girl...that just baffles me. It's no different really than saying it's okay for a boy to wear pants, but not a girl, just the gender roles are reversed.


Are there any lines for the girl? Like are there any things that boys are allowed to wear that a girl would not be allowed to wear? If not, it seems like a double standard to prohibit something for boys, but not for girls.

J wore a princess dress for 3 days straight one spring. His little girl cousin left it at our house and he was fascinated with it--he wore it to the grocery store, to the library, basically everywhere we went. And this was not even Halloween!

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 10/26/2011

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I doubt my husband would bat an eye if we had a boy who wanted to dress as a girl or in a traditionally girl centric costume for Halloween. The holiday-besides being the Celtic New Year and when people believed the dead walked the earth- is just for playing pretend and dressing up. There shouldn't be anything else read into a child dressing up and parents shouldn't threaten to penalize their children because they don't agree with their choices

Lucy - posted on 10/26/2011

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That's ridiculous- Dress up (whether it be a party, halloween, imaginary play, whatever) is about PRETENDING. If kids can only dress up as things they could realistically aspire to be, it would be pretty limiting!

My daughter went to a fancy dress party last week as a garden and my son went as a banana in pyjamas... I'm fairly sure neither of them are trying to tell me they identify with inanimate objects or have deep seated identity issues.

@ Sherri, Just curious- Why wouldn't you allow your son to wear a dress specifically, but wouldn't mind him playing a female character? I'm really not having a go, just intrigued to know your reasoning :)

Sara - posted on 10/26/2011

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It's about pretend, so I don't think there's a right way or a wrong way to play pretend dress up. My daughter is going to be a pirate.

Tara - posted on 10/26/2011

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I am also confused as to the reasoning behind this hypothetical situation. What is the difference?

Starfish - posted on 10/26/2011

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I'm pretty open. I'd allow it. My rule is nothing offensive, and nothing trampy. Ignoring gender expectations falls into neither category.

It's Halloween. The whole point is dressing up as something you're not. It's not a career choice, it's just one day to play pretend. Why make a fuss?

Tara - posted on 10/26/2011

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Can I ask Sherri if you would ever let your sons go out on Halloween dressed as a woman? Almost every guy I knew in high school went to a school dance etc. as a woman at least once in their school career. Some made for very pretty women, some made for incredibly homely, masculine type women, some couldn't pull it off no matter what they did!!
Just curious, as well if you had a daughter would she be allowed out dressed as a man of any sort? Like say Charlie Chaplin? Or one of the three stooges? etc.?

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 10/25/2011

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What about a robe?

Oh and like Chelsey, I asked my husband about this. He said the dad is being a dipshit.

Becky - posted on 10/25/2011

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Well, a man can actually be a witch, and as for the dress, I'm fairly sure no real witch actually dresses like that. It's just a costume. Dad needs to lighten up!
I never realized kids were only supposed to dress up as things they could actually be! Hmmm, I screwed up, since I don't think my boys can ever actually be a bear or a car!

Stifler's - posted on 10/25/2011

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Oh dear sounds like blatant homophobia to me. MY BOY CAN'T WEAR A DRESS!

Chelsey - posted on 10/25/2011

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So my husband commented that the Dad is being a dick because its Halloween and to let the kid be whatever he wants. We are expecting a son in a couple months and he said that on Halloween if our son wants to cross dress every year thats up to him. Actually I'm sure that our son is probably going to be put in dresses quite often with nails done as well because he's going to have 2 older sisters haha.

On a side note when my eldest was 2 she wanted to be Superman for Halloween and we let her. Family asked her if she really wanted to be Supergirl but she was adament that she was going to be Superman.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 10/25/2011

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I didn't read the entire OP. Why does the girl need to wear a wig and a mustache to be a mechanic?

The guy does sound a bit douchey though, Seriously who ditches their kids on Halloween because they don't like the costume?

Firebird - posted on 10/25/2011

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What, no one wants to name this guy 'Father Of The Year'?

What a jerk. It ridiculous and totally sexist that women can do "men" things (mechanic) but men can't do "women" things.

Caitlin - posted on 10/25/2011

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That's stupid. What a great role model for his kids.. "If you don't wear what I want, i'm not taking you out and i'm going to ditch you guys on what could be the third most important day a year for kids". Pathetic..

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 10/25/2011

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I don't think the husband is a moron, I just think he's uniformed and should just get educated. And the mom should as well since she stated 'Kayla is being a man'

Meanwhile I'm going to go as whatever I can find at Zeller's by 3pm PST Thursday. I have a Halloween party for Brownies. But I doubt I can be one in real life.

Johnny - posted on 10/25/2011

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And another thing, Tara, I think you worded the thread title that way on purpose! So :-P

Johnny - posted on 10/25/2011

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Okay, yeah. The ironic thing about this thread for me is two-fold.

1) I AM going as a witch for Halloween, as is my daughter.

2) My husband (a man, just in case you wondered, lol) is also going as a witch with us.

So back to my original comment about this dude being a moron.

Shannintipton - posted on 10/25/2011

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Man you tricked me. I thought this was about our Johnny being a witch. LOL I didnt think that sounded right but had to take a peek anyway. Glad it was this instead of the other. LOL

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 10/25/2011

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Well, the dad said that 'Kayla could be a mechanic" So I don't think everything is warped. But yes, the mom should've said something besides her daughter is going as a guy.

JuLeah - posted on 10/25/2011

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I think both parents need a wake up call - welcome to 2011

Why can't a mechanic be a woman? Dad has it right on this one. And, if she wants to dress as a man, go for it ... it is Halloween

And, a boy CAN be a witch. Well, at least I know men who pracitce the religion :)

But, why can't the boy be a woman if he wishes - again, it is Halloween

Of course, as a nod to all our friends out there who are trans, it is okay to be whatever you are

I think dad has issues with women, at least that is how I read it. Being a woman is less. Being a girl is less.

What does that say about Dad's view of women and girls?

I guess Harry Potter is called a Wizard, is't he ... but some cultures make no gender split and call all who practice the craft witches

Men were burned at the stake too -

Why do we do this to our kids? Why, after we do such things to our kids, do we act so confused when they have issues?

Iridescent - posted on 10/25/2011

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I'd allow it. Justin wants to be a Princess this year. Since we have appts for him in the cities all day that day, I'm not sure if we're getting costumes at all for the kids this year...cutting it close to decide!

Krista - posted on 10/25/2011

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Bah-ha! I thought the same thing! Poor Johnny.

And yeah, the dad is being an asshat. Halloween is all about fantasy! I don't have a hope in hell of ever becoming a princess, but it certainly never stopped me from dressing up like one.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 10/25/2011

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According to Wicca, Johnny can indeed be a witch because that's what men who practice Wicca are. Witches. NOT WARLOCKS. Warlock is an old Scottish word meaning an oath breaker. That's someone who breaks the Wiccan Reede and just someone you don't want to be around. So the kid's dad is wrong, his son can be a witch.

And yes, I thought the OP was about our Johnny too.

Minnie - posted on 10/25/2011

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Me too! I thought oh is this a poll on what -we're- being for Halloween?

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When I read the title I thought you were talking about our Johnny (on DM) acting like a witch. ;)

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stupid gender roles is what I think. Halloween costumes are about suspending reality. My kids can't **really** be Cinderella and a mouse.

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