Kids getting high off "New" Spice

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 12/31/2010 ( 32 moms have responded )

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Because this is legal…would it be more acceptable for your child to smoke this… Instead of Mary Jane

Why or why not



*Im sure none of you want your teen smoking anything, but if you caught them with this or Salvia versus Mary Jane, would you be just as upset or not*



Also here is a link to what Salvia is, it is also legal here is a link to that

http://www.salvia.net/en/effects.htm



(HERE IS THE ARTICLE I FOUND)





Kids getting high off "New" Spice





Young people are smoking a new drug that's surfaced in the U.S. It's called spice, and it's available over the counter.



Spice is actually incense made of dried leave and herbs. People are smoking it, instead of burning it. Some countries have already banned spice because of the side effects, but it's legal in America. Brands like Black Mamba, Mr. Smile and Rebel Spice claim to calm the nerves. But some distributors are lacing the leaves with dangerous chemicals that bring on an intense high like marijuana.



Spice is sold online, in liquor stores and in smoke shops across the country. International Imports, Contemporary Glassworks and Grand Central Liquor, here in Grand Junction, have it on their shelves- for adults only.



The Rocky Mountain Poison Control Center reported that 11 teens in Colorado wound up in emergency rooms after smoking spice, particularly the K2 brand. Kids suffered intense headaches, nausea and high blood pressure. But since spice is marketed as incense and "not for human consumption," it's not regulated. That means there's no telling what's actually in it.



The shop owners we spoke to say the distributors tell them the product is all natural. They also say they've seen a spike in the number of people buying spice. But a good number of teens we spoke to haven't caught on to spice just yet. However, officials in Kansas have heard of it and have made their state the first to ban spice.



We called the distributor for Black Mamba and asked if it was laced with anything synthetic. He hung up on us.



Some teens will lace the spice themselves with other drugs, like ecstasy or speed, and then sell it.

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holy shit man, salvia is a hallucinogen thats like comparing weed to non-synthetic acid..wow. I know its legal and all, but that is potent stuff. Seriously takes you completely out of reality. You NEED a sober person to prevent you from doing something bonkers....WAY worse than weed.

LaCi - posted on 12/31/2010

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I wish they'd quit comparing this shit to weed.



Everything I've read thus far says the high isn't comparable to weed, it has a somewhat mellowing effect, but other effects more closely related to MDMA and/or amphetamines, depending on which persons experience you're reading.



Most said they tried it because of it's alleged marijuana-ish effects, and were very clear in saying it was definitely not comparable, induced anxiety, and not to think of it as some legal form of weed.



I would much rather my son smoke weed. I hope he doesn't feel the need to use at all, but if he does, PLEASE let it just be weed.



Hopefully all that makes sense, In a hurry

Sherri - posted on 01/02/2011

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not to mention brain damage and death. I personally know a kid that huffed ONCE and is now buried in the ground. He was only 24 yrs old and left a son behind.

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I would prefer the natural substances to other things, i wouldn't be that upset if i caught my daughter smoking weed, compared to if she was drinking or smoking cigarettes. Salvia, i smoked that before and it was like i was on a 15min acid trip. The difference i find between salvia and weed, is that salvia can actually impair your judgment because your basically in a different reality. Almost like a dream. Weed just makes everything funny, and taste good.



Anything that would impair her to the point that she would be in danger, or cause her lifelong harm, i would be upset about.

Katherine - posted on 12/31/2010

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So they're smoking incense? Am I getting this right?
And then lacing it?
Man, I can't keep up. I would MUCH rather my child smoke weed any day. At least you know what's in it (most of the time).

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Eli Sha - posted on 05/09/2012

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I'm going to start my message of explains that I am not a mom .. I found this form on the Internet after reaching help for moms who's kids are using spice .. Iv been through several and many overwhelming unsecsessful circles with run arounds of dead ends giving me no advice or concept of understand when someone is dealing with an issue that's honestly in my opinion more of an issue then our country or maybe congress men who notice closely the rapid sales pertains to these chemical cousins known as spice . A synthetic and and false dillusion of what the comparison and almost the opposite ends of good end evil ate compared to what uses to be most parents biggest and most trialing subject as marajanajah - or the base plant of cannabis relatively what you know it as weed .. Well from the spectrum of what you are looking at now and facing as what will fall under the same title as movies such as outbreak or the newest and latest classic 28 monkeys - or 28 days later .. except the infected are the ones who have ingested and consumed large or dangerous quantities of this illusion that is not even a drug .. It is a plant labels as herbs ( that could be genetically manifested ) and them sprayed with toxins that yes some have been banned , though those are maybe a handful of a thousand , that they don't even have the capability to detect ? Well why is that .. Cause this drug was not made or produced / manufactured on our soil .. It was just sent into the country - and told by any kid that hear weed was slowly surfacing to be supported as a technic not so utterly harmful but compatibly useful when people with specific needs relating to cronic pain and even for anxiety on psych patients ... Well chronic has a dule name in the adult language compared to the words that most and almost all of younge America's children know it as - crypt - Mary j - and weed or even fire ... Now when these kids walk into a convienve store and see what to them looks like weed sold in little viles that most of their street dealers are using to supply their shit in .. So they ask ( like I did ) what's this , how can you sell weed .. And your told it produces the same high and just is a legal form of weed .. Well surely your kids going to be deceived slightly by the effects it's longer lasting high and the fact that Half of them are on probation - or just getting clean from an abusive cycle of a personal drug war ..

Well research on the Internet broadcast the warnings it's effects and what ever journalist tell us in reported cases - on the other hand do they have a solution ? Or do they give you the littlest peice of information to go on other than the damage that it has already done to likley thousands of younge children , or what is the target age range of this new drug , our futures .. Their minds and our loved ones ...

Let me underlined a few special factors that adults will not relate to or understand cause they don't want to compromise their own specific or personal feelings that we now as a nation will be suffering , if your kids end up as only an army of dead soliders that we as a country a world and a community of nations un-united failed to recognize or a negotiate a treaty to at least save the lives of the One who will now be no longer capable to represent the future for you or with me ..

I have different theory's on what you believe about this drug / or synthetic , and deciving product that even your eight year old can walk into a place that typically sells cigerets and cards minors - cause there is NO AGE LIMIT on who this drug will attack and infect or even effect ..

Can you imagine looking at your Son and not recognizing him in any way shape or form as to what you raised him .. Or a little sister who watches her older brother disintegrate into a corpse that is walking and steaming with a poison that erupts and destroys the memories of who He was to her as a child .. And now as a younger and much littler sister stands in the center of the battle feild ..

I am that little sister and my meaning and purpose of this statement is critical .. A WARNING and a prayer for this war that we slowly as a nation that will lead us into devastation, which will leave us in a state of panic and then defenseless when the maybe more undermining part of this drug has struck , to leave us defeated ..

And by us i mean the U.S against where my leads to where this product was initiated by , our enemies and  Iran    ..

Whose hands deliver this incense or high manipulated to destroy , whose face hides behinds everyone of those counters ??? From NYC where I was told that it's legalized weed , by the bodega Man , to where in Florida ( where I  am now, because of the crisis that this drug has created in my world, my family's and compensated my brothers life as just another causality to the war ) its sold across the street at the local down the block gas station that I bought it from .. I'm not racist , but I am aware of most things that Our government plans on never telling us , as the parents or the siblings or the close friends or mentors that watch and will end up being destroyed within their own battle grounds ( their hearts ) , when the high where's off but the hallucination doesn't , and you are now the enemy to your own brother or your son or even the neighbor who watched the kid grow up get his life together finally and then become a Minster that rampages through the streets at night climbing on the roof or screaming from the top of his lungs in the middle of the night and doing things that noone who has ever known , to me him , or to you them , your own children or neice or nephew or grandchild or former employe or even best friend who say that is him - and now single him out as an exile or will eventually be the ones who trigger and revolt against his not his own actions to put an end to the chaos and end the nightmare by him walking up to the wrong stranger , at the wrong time , and become the victim
Who might get shot down by even a police gun thinking they are doing jobs they are trained for in a fucking obstacle course similar to proffer adventure p.e classes that we all took in high school ..

Well that might just be my biggest fear as I follow him down the streets , placing my Own body before his when he is running like the villain down the streets aggressively approaching strangers in confusion , and in my own words and their defense is threatening to them ..

Well down here in south Florida I can go into a pawn shop with my over 21 Id and buy a gun ..

What if the the wrong encounter ends with his life , or the one who loves him and stands infront of him to protect him ..

As I took a pause In writing this statement I had to approach the counter of the exact gas station I mentioned earlier to buy something my brother was on his was to think he can but , cause he in under the illusion or impression by his mind that money and now iv learned that just taking and in their minds, steeling what he needs cause the last few weeks before I have arrives here on such short notice , anyone in his circle of life or network , being work employer or best and closest friends , Even the convenient store who I just paid his debt to that he did my laws standards steel from , who has seen him for the last nine years walk in and out of his own store and pay for his purchases , eventually recognized he saw a massive and dwindling change in him over the last few weeks .. Well previously I washed to the gas station that he had purchased the spice from on my attempt to get his request that I knew he wasn't capable of even paying for on his own based on those standards and knowing of him as his sister , who has paid for everything and anything he has needed , wether it was the clothes he needed when he was by a crisis center admitted and carted away from me in handcuffs by the police that only brought hike to a state psychiatric hospitals whose sworn practice is if you are a threat to yourself or endangerment to others or the environment around them they will not be released to Rome and wander around creating havoc and massive destruction ( that he is physically capable of causing but not internally recognizing ) ...

Well earlier today I bought both me and him ciggarettes  and two cans of rock star drinks , well when I came in some disposition from a voice inside of me asking if they sold the spice stuff , repeated deliberately by ya know the fake weed that kids are smoking that's legal, she picked up the package situated next to the bowls , spoken to be only used for tobacco purpose , but as a weed smoker I know different then it's intentions .. Then I mentioned it's really deadly and my brother bought it here and now there is something wrong with him , and his mind is disintegrated , She quickly started speaking To the other end of her cell phone in a very far and foreign language from mine and said then continued to ask me to leave before I even made my intentional purchase , which was the bat , which in your kids term is a identical outside appearance of a ciggerett with a small hole that I place my weed fits perfectly into and I smoke out of .. ( which I asked her if she had when I had purchased the ciggeretts and wanted to then earlier though my perception told me later cause the 20 spent there was initially a fair percentage of the remainder of a younger little sister has left after arriving in Florida on a flight that was decided upon from within her heart and her concern that after the words my mom spoke to me the day before my birthday , which was hesitantly before I later on that day had already negotiated my own war in life's revolution to end my own unmentionable but in beyond understanding of reason that were walking me into Harlem to buy a gun by fate at a second time got my money robbed from in attempts to shoot my own self on the exact marks of my birthday 26 years later at 12:06 am in 1986 , to end my internal fight that I was obviously loosing with my own self , well I survived my own gun shot wound cause I got robbed on two attempts to buy a gun from a circle of drug dealers I knew personally but sold weed to me during my first three months sublet in the city starting last June , cause the block I sublets a room in an apartment from a kid who was away at a shakespeare company performance , being he was an alumni Juliart student who I rented from ..

Well considerably many would believe that if I took that bullet is wind up in Hell, when in my concept it was freeing me, though I somehow after not even having the opportunity that I devastatingly wandered into a trance of that , I still woke up into it ..

Cause days later not even three I called my mother who the prior day before my birthday told me she was getting on the next plane to our house in Florida where my brother lives with two female roommates who rent out two separate rooms other than him were calling in panic and explaining indefinitely that there was something wrong with my brother , well on my birthday the day her little girl didn't want to wake up to and stayed alone heart broken in a shattered state , was on a plane at 6 am moments after she texted me , happy birthday , I love you hope your going to have a good day ..

So after never texting my sisters four of them who wished me happy birthday and or my mother back cause in my wildest and most important dream was for me to not of on those days even answered that text .. But after..

I'm sorry but this story will have to be continued on my inside story reports and warnings to what happens when this toxin is inhaled and let into the blood stream and them continues to vary on affects so it seems but ultimately damaged and transfusions the brain ..

I want tinting you to the understanding and devotional theory that I have a strong relationship towards believing and have understood that anything made in America is not truley even created by Americans .. Now many overseas students develop foundations here based on our learning systems , excel in our school and then transition into high reactions , that dilute and dillude their minds / and to me my brothers dillussions   That we or now aggressively me is even the enemy ..


I also want to explain in my final words that this rapid story is just the last fe hours of my life since Friday wen I arrived here attempting more trying with out a clue to save my brothe , when every point of sanity in me explains to me that it is no longer him .. And I haven't seen my brother since me and my sisters flew him down to Florida after seeing him when he randomly picked me up a few years back to drive me to an airport when I was critically in a state of homelessness and how he couldn't even imagine how I ended up flown and them quickly needing to be provided a ride back to ny to endure what he wasn't awear of and getting a ride from someone to arrange getting me from a random Wendy's , after getting my belonging delivered to him by someone he didn't know or recognize as even in my life and then had put me on a plane back to my to what he didn't even have a concept of what was going on , being my family avoided telling him because he was in a traditional state of being in a sober house and had just walked out of a nine year oxy Cotten addiction that we almost then lost him to .. So take it as I owe my brother a debt .. And if I can pay back all of mine to him it would be by this , cause somehow I'm learning this war of a world inside me and anger revolts from deep affliction and emotional harnessing that now is out bursting as anger and rage .. And terror ..


I can't mention why I am discontinuing ..

From what I have learned insurance companies are not paying for treatment for the effects of this drugs needs cause its not being recognized as necessary for what I feel is they don't have technically even the success for the knowledge of how to contain or stop this invading nightmare into nation and world wide emergancy rooms with stories I believe has to be similar to mine .. Or my narration of there is no help .. I have exauseted myself trying , and calling and explains and asking for help .. But I end up being the only one whose not even physically capable of containg this mass murdering drug who made my brother believe enough to react against me and cause me to be more than scared but in an internal state off terror and locked herself in the car in the drive way tht she dosent even have the keys for .. And in her head he heart is making her swear I will never tell , because I love him , and even if it means not delivering all the truth of why , I will still protect him from a world that aperently is not the one he is seeing feeling fearing and beleiving is real - this hallucination or my terms what will be a holocaust this nation , if it's a genetically engineers drug controlled and delivered manufactured sold by and sent into our county by hands that our not our own ..

Amanda - posted on 01/03/2011

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I've seen the salvia videos on Youtube...and if my kid were to come up to me and tell me they were smoking anything other than marijuana I'd flip! I've seen the way those kids were acting on that crap and it's NOTHING like marijuana! I'd much rather my kids smoke something that yes is illegal number 1 but number 2 wouldn't end up killing them! That stuff is so awful I don't see how the heck it's still legalized!!! :0 But if I could prefer anything I'd say drugfree...but hey we obviously don't live in a perfect world, so I'll quit acting like we do! Lol

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I have a relative (husband's cousin) that huffed gas and passed out doing it...she lived but later had a stay in a mental institute! She's had a kid and doesn't care for him most the time...he's often w/gramma while mom is out doing drugs and partying...

Its all bad and a I would be upset if my boys used drugs regardless of legality.

Jackie - posted on 01/03/2011

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There was a kid in my neighborhood years and years ago that skipped school, went home to the garage and huffed anti-freeze. Needless too say his lungs froze and he's a goner.

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kids get high off of anything, aerosol cans,hairspray whip cream and shaving cream, mouth wash, cough syrup, gravol,nail polish,bleach,nail polish remover, sharpie,lighter fluid, white out, cleaners, gas...... they are very creative in finding ways to "trip" i dont know why anyone would want to do that to their mind.....

Stifler's - posted on 01/01/2011

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I would be mad. Just because it's not illegal doesn't mean it's not harmful, or laced with something else. Or NOT what they said it was. Smoking of any kind causes respiratory illnesses.

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I would be upset finding my kids smoking anything. Legal or illegal doesn't make any difference to me. As of now they think any smoking is nasty and stupid though.

Amanda - posted on 01/01/2011

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i would be just as pissed, maybe more, if i caught my kid(s) smoking this! from what i understand it is not meant to be smoked, it's incense, so it's comparable to "huffing". At least "mary jane" is natural (yeah, i know, that can be laced too).

Jackie - posted on 01/01/2011

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Well, I've have smoked all three. Spice would be more like weed IMO, but I would much rather just smoke weed if I wanted to catch a buzz. I'd prefer to know what I'm smoking and something that grew from the ground. As for Salvia, I will NEVER ever smoke that shit again. I literally lost reality for a moment and didn't like it at all. I've done my fair share of different drugs and nothing effected me like that.

I wouldn't compare Spice to MDMA at all though. Well, for me at least.

Yes I would be upset if I cought my kids smoking anything, legal or not. Cigarettes are legal, that doesn't mean I want them smoking.

I can't be a hypocrite but I don't want them making the sam estupid mistakes I did.

Salvia is illigal where I am now and I believe they are working on Spice.

Sherri - posted on 01/01/2011

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I would be just as upset if it was marijuana or salvia. I hope they make it illegal soon. Honestly if I caught any drugs in my house I would be marching my kid down to a police station and turning his ass in. If it were salvia because it is technically legal most likely be getting him some rehab help for sure.

Kate CP - posted on 01/01/2011

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No, I'm with you, Jenn. I don't get how this helps the rich get richer.

Jenn - posted on 01/01/2011

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How is this a way for the rich to stay rich? Am I tired and hungover and confused, or are you not making any sense?

Kiara - posted on 12/31/2010

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I agree with valerie u might gt a lil hungry n sum even gt a lil paranoid but neva an overdose.This is just another way for the rich to stay rich.Teens usually follow their peers (usually).So i wld rather it b nothn but push come to shove i choose weed.I seen friends n hw dat stuff mess them up n d head long term.

Mother - posted on 12/31/2010

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Thats crazy. Now we have to lock up our spice rack and our incense cabinet. LOLOLOL

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I've heard of the same thing but they call it wicked X here. It has actually been outlawed in, I think, 7 states. I would not be happy if I found my kids doing any hallucinogens. I don't care if anyone smokes weed as long as it's not 24-7.

LaCi - posted on 12/31/2010

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* just a note, I was talking about spice. I didn't even notice salvia being in the OP

Mrs. - posted on 12/31/2010

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Whelp, each gen has their most popular cheap hallucinogen. When I was young it was E, my parents had acid...it's always something. Unfortunately, you have to see a couple of your friends fry their brains or have bad reactions to really get why it's one of those things not wise to do on a regular basis. I still have friends who are adults now whose brains are affected by all the E they did at raves in the 90's. What a waste.

I don't get why people just don't stick with weed...but then I just like the mellow. I'm not into purposely tripping out, hearing voice, colours or seeing things. I always just wanted to relax. That's why, beyond mushrooms and an accidental cocopuff (I didn't know what it was), I never really fried my brain. Thank God.

Mother - posted on 12/31/2010

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Isn't Salvia divinorum just Sage??



If its what I'm thinking of its used for smudging in Earth centered Religions and Native American Spiritual pow wows.

Jenn - posted on 12/31/2010

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It's actually really bad for you to smoke that crap so yeah, I'd be upset - just like if I caught them smoking weed or tobacco.

Kate CP - posted on 12/31/2010

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Okay, I read this and all I can think of is "Does it turn their eyes blue? Do they think the Spice must flow?"

Valerie - posted on 12/31/2010

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I've never heard of a canabis overdose. I'd be disappointed if I caught my kid with anything, obviously; the fact that one is illegal and the other one super dangerous would make me pissed off if my kid got their hands on either - but for different reasons.
The law has not caught up to the facts in the case of salvia; and ignored the facts altogether when it comes to canabis. That being said, until criminals are not the sole purveyors of illegal drugs, none can be considered safe enough for me to be OK with my kid partaking.

Shauna - posted on 12/31/2010

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excuss me ---- Not illegal ---- they sell it at smoke shops .. however ... illegal if you get tested for it.

Shauna - posted on 12/31/2010

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K2 is illegal in Nebraska. Coworker of my husband just got sentenced to 2-5 yrs in prison for it. *he was also on parrole* ... they now have a test for K2 when you take a pee test.

Jocelyn - posted on 12/31/2010

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I've smoked both pot and salvia; they are NOTHING alike.
I would rather my kids smoked pot. Salvia can produce such hallucinations that everybody who is a regular in the drug crowd KNOWS that you only smoke it one at a time. There has to be another person around you to prevent you from potentially hurting themselves.
That being said, I never came close to putting myself in danger while using salvia. I saw around the curvature of the earth and cleansed the heavens from evil spirits just by breathing. It is intense. I would compare it more to PCP or shrooms, just not as long lasting. Two people can smoke salvia at the same time and have completely different experiences.
So to reiterate, I would MUCH rather have my kids smoke weed.

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