Legally Allowed to Drink, Legally Allowed to Vote, Legally Allowed to Purchase Cigarettes

Hannah - posted on 11/03/2010 ( 23 moms have responded )

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Hey Everyone...This question isnt so much for my canadian friends but for my american friends ;)



I'm from Canada(ottawa, canada's capital) and our drinking age limit is 19, however you can cross the provincial border to Quebec not five minutes from downtown and drink at 18....



At 16 you can get your drivers permit.....

At 18 you can purchase cigarrettes legally....

At 21 you can purchase alcohol legally......



Do you find the age of 21 to be reasonable? Why or why not?



Personally, I think that if one is old enough to drive and vote, then you should be old enough to buy alcohol....Thoughts??

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Krista - posted on 11/03/2010

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Actually, I also think that the age for military service should be raised to 21. I think most 18 year olds who sign up really aren't thinking fully of the possible consequences and the fact that their job COULD result in their death.

I saw many war graves in France, and seeing rows and rows and rows of kids...yes, KIDS, who were killed at age 17 and 18...well, it just made me incredibly sad.

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I agree. If a person is old enough to fight and possibly die for their country then they should be able to walk into a bar and buy a drink. Personally, I think the age for everything (including military service) should be raised to 21 but I think a LOT of people will disagree with that statement.

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Julie - posted on 11/05/2010

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Joy -- I live in Western NY, but I was referring to when the states set their own ages(pre-1980's). This address may help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._histor...

Basically, after prohibition, most states were 21, with some 18. After that, more were lowered to 18 or 19. Later than that, there was the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984, which caused all states to raise their drinking age to 21. I haven't done any hard number-crunching, but I am willing the bet the increase in drunken fatalities is related to states with differing ages (and increased driving) between them.

I still think if one can be drafted and possibly die for their country, they should be able to have a drink. It'd be "our" job to education them to do so responsibly (as parents, teachers, a country, etc...)

Chrystal - posted on 11/05/2010

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I think 21 is a good age to be able to purchase alcohol legally. I think 16 is way to young to be able to purchase alcohol. At 16 your mind is in such a different place than where your mind is at 21. 21 is a good age not 16.

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Caitlin I agree - 21 seems very late to be able to legally do those things. When I was younger only 20 now, cigarettes hadnt been changed to 18, it was still 16 and I could buy them when I was 14 because I was tall and the same age for alcohol. I think it's stupid because at age 18 you're considered an adult or at least that's what it is here in the UK.

Hannah - posted on 11/04/2010

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Joy, I know that in texas, if you are underage you can drink legally if you are married to someone who is of legal age...you just have to prove it with your marriage certificate....

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Julie, I'm curious to know where you live that the drinking age changes from state to state. Here in the US, the national drinking age is 21. I just moved from a relatively small town in Florida and in that town alone, there were...I want to say 4, maybe 5 teen alcohol related car accidents that resulted in death. One of them killed 6 teenagers (4 girls in one car and two girls in another). They were driving home from a party and the owner of the house where the party had been held was sent to jail and fined big time (and she wasn't even home for the party).

Caitlin - posted on 11/04/2010

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I see no problem with 18 year olds being able to sign up for the military. My husband served proudly and if my daughters chose to do so, i'd be proud of them. I don't doubt that at 18 years old they can understand the possible implications of them being in the military and a war starting up. Not to mention there are a ton of non-combat trades in the military as well, and it has excellent benefits as well. But that's not the debate.

Here everything is 18 years old (well, driving is 16).. I have no problem with that seeing as I drank before 18, I bought cigarettes before 18, and I tried to sign up for the military at 17 (they will process your application at 17 - I didn't get in due to health issues). I think 21 is LATE for all of that. I remember when I would go out to the club when I was 17 or so, metting up with americans who were 19 or 20 smashed out of their minds because they could actually drink up here they went WAY overboard and had no idea how to drink properly, they made fools of themselves...

My 2 cents..

Jodi - posted on 11/04/2010

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"It's because you're still growing until 21 that it's 21."



I think you will find that the original reason the drinking age was increased to 21 was to reduce drink driving deaths on the roads. It had nothing to do with the body still growing.



Edited to Add: I personally believe that it is education that will reduce drink driving incidents, not banning alcohol altogether. Banning alcohol to prevent drink driving is akin to making sex illegal to prevent teenage pregnancies. The kids are still going to have sex (and drink drive). Education is a far better option IMO.

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we have a high percentage of teenagers with alcohol poisoning (and deaths from that) and alcoholism, and the age to drink beer and wine and smoke is 16, and hard alcohol and driving is 18. I don't think a high or low age has an impact on how people drink. There are some who will abuse it anyways.

Julie - posted on 11/03/2010

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21 is absurd, IMO.

Don't forget die for one's country. At 18 years of age, our men can be drafted into the armed forces, too. I strongly feel that if you are old enough to fight and maybe die for your country, you're old enough to drink.

I think those studies that looked at teen death rates related to drinking when states were allowed to set their own limit are crap. I'd be willing to bet that those teens that died were driving to drink at a nearby state with a lower limit and then driving drunk home. If they could drink at home, they wouldn't get into deadly crashes from drinking and driving.

I also feel if our public transportation was better, there'd be even fewer crashes, but that's another issue.

Jodi - posted on 11/03/2010

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Yep....and that would be why I pay my children cash in hand and don't declare it, LOL. At least them I, as the adult, amd the only one paying tax on it. They are too young to have to deal with that shit yet. My oldest (step daughter) pays tax, but she is 18, and has a decent job, so she should, but the others....nope.

Stifler's - posted on 11/03/2010

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That's even worse. You should be exempt from taxation if you don't get to vote.

Jodi - posted on 11/03/2010

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"It is a bit stupid. It's 18 for cigarettes, voting and alcohol in Australia but 16 for tax paying so wtf."

Emma, I am going to correct you on this one. Even a baby can pay tax in Australia, so 16 is not the legal age to pay tax. There is not legal stipulation on the tax paying age at all. If your child has an investment account (in that child's name), once that account starts earning over a certain amount of interest, the child is required to pay tax. Also, it is legal in most states to get a job at 14 years and 9 months, but if your parents own the business, you can legally have a job at any age. As soon as you have a job, you start paying tax once you go over the $6000 threshhold. And that is just income tax.

It is 18 for alcohol, cigarettes and tax, and in SOME states for getting a driver's licence. Other states, however (such as where I live) the legal age to get a drivers licence is 17. You can sign a mobile phone contract at 16, but most other legal contracts not until you are 18. You can't get married without parental consent under 18.

Most things are 18 in Australia.

Stifler's - posted on 11/03/2010

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If you get a job here at 16 you pay tax if you earn over $6000 a year so I don't understand why you have to wait til 18 to vote on where it goes.

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Here in the UK it's:

18 for cigarettes (was 16 but was changed a couple of years ago)

18 for alcohol

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17 you can get you driving licence

I think the age for alcohol should always be above driving to decrease the number of drink driving offences.

Hannah - posted on 11/03/2010

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one of my thoughts on a drinking age limit of 21 is that it increases the likelyhood that there is going to be more fake id's etc, people sneaking into bars....I've just never understood why the age is 21....

Stifler's - posted on 11/03/2010

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It is a bit stupid. It's 18 for cigarettes, voting and alcohol in Australia but 16 for tax paying so wtf.

Cassie - posted on 11/03/2010

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I LOVE the idea of raising the legal age of purchasing alcohol and cigarettes to 21 as well as the legal age to join the military!! Brilliant!!! I don't think teens have the knowledge, understanding, and maturity to enter into such a serious, life-changing, and possibly life-ending contract.

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