Lil Wayne Vs. 3 little girls

Angela - posted on 03/06/2011 ( 140 moms have responded )

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So what do you all think of this?

Personally,I kinda get what the little girls are trying to do,and thats all great and dandy, but my Question is what are a 10,9 and 5 year old doing listening to Lil Wayne's music?

AND im so over people talking about how Rap music is degrading to women,(I dont think it is). If your not a "bitch" or a "ho" like the rappers talk about then why is it insulting?

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Charlie - posted on 03/08/2011

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Please stop with the capital letters shouting .... it is super annoying .

I think the notion that women who are offended by the broadly used term bitch and ho are somehow insecure is rather skewed and comes off as very defensive ........I don't care what people listen to but for women and young ladies to stand against being labeled derogatory names shows just the opposite , it takes security to stand against the mass portrayal of women as second class especially against men in high places with lots of influence like Lil Wayne .

Tara - posted on 03/07/2011

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Are you defending his song based on your "if you're not a bitch or ho why is it insulting?" theory?
That's like telling someone "If you're not a jew than any anti-semitic songs, comments, art work etc. shouldn't be insulting to you." or
"If you're not black than anything racist shouldn't be an insult to you."
The lyrics are insulting to all women, not just those who have not yet been labeled a ho or bitch by some bad ass rapper.
The message is "women are inferior to men" "Men are superior to women" "Women have their place; below a man or on her knees"
I applaud these girls for their effort to spread a different message.

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I think we all understand that lil wayne is not the first, last, or only artist who portrays women and black people in a very negative light, but he is the example used in the OP so that is why we are focusing on him. Not all rap is bad, but if you listen to most rappers talk about their music they will tell you they do not rap for entertainment, they do it to spread a message, to "reach people". Of course they have the right to spread whatever message they wish, and they should, but I, and these 3 little girls, also have the right to be offended by that message and to speak out about it. It goes both ways, and I applaud the girls.



It is true that children should not hear this music, but at times it is unavoidable. In the neighborhood where some of my kids live, it is blaring at every corner, they cannot help but to hear it, and they are too young not to be influenced by it.





Angela and Monique, I am asking you politely and as clearly as I can to please stop calling me names. I am not "chica" I am not "sweety" I am Kelly. I asked you once and you ignored that request so I made a joke and you laughed, but I'm done with it. You need to speak to us with the same respect we are giving you--we are not yelling, we are not calling you names, we are simply stating facts and interpretations, which is what debate is about. If you cannot fortify your argument with facts or interpretation of actual statements, you simply do not have an argument.



In defense of my statement about the way men treat you; you stated in this thread, that you agree with the message in this song about how women should act and be treated, so it would stand to reason that if you agree with his depiction of women so strongly, you would act in the ways described here, and allow men to treat you in the ways described here.

Jenn - posted on 03/08/2011

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Angela, to capitalize a certain word would be putting emphasis on that word; you have a tendency to capitalize an entire post, which in internet language is shouting. So no, I cannot hear you, but I can see and sense the tone of your speech, and you seem like a very angry person, who doesn't seem to have a complete grasp of the concept of "debate". Also, Kelly didn't call you naive, she said that SHE believed you were too naive. Using a term like "sweetie" is quite condescending, and totally unnecessary.

Jenn - posted on 03/10/2011

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So, because we don't want you to shout at us by using all caps, that means we have no common sense? OK then. Why did you start this debate if you don't want to continue with it or to answer specific questions or to explain the why of your answer. Many people have said they don't like rap because x and y. You just keep saying that you like it and that's that, but there's no reason or explanation. Why do you not want to answer why? I don't get it, and am generally confused by you.

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Tah - posted on 03/14/2011

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It's all in how you view you, everyone I know can relate...but get the fact that cops aren't just there to lock us up. Heck 2 of them are cops and one has a masters in criminal justice and is starting law school. Now you will always have those who take it literally. For the most part people understand the difference, They talk what they know...they also want to sell records, people get it's a business and to say something else may not have done that. I certainly don't love all rap, I don't love all country, r&b etc, but I can relate to some of each.

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That is an interesting concept, Tah. I did grow up that way and I can totally relate to what they are singing, and yet that is the very reason I hate it, and the reason you love it.

I hear it spread hate, I hear it spread a fear of the police and law enforcement. The police are not here with the sole purpose of locking up anyone, they are here with the sole purpose of protecting those who are willing to live within the rules and construct of peaceful society.
One sends the message that the only way to eat is to steal, which is untrue, and yet people listen to this and they believe it. I work with kids who listen to these songs and take them as a truth--several want to be drug dealers when they grow up because those are the role models they are exposed to. I am not saying rap is the only thing to blame, it certainly is not, but I think that artists, knowing how heavy their influence is in their target market, should take some responsibility and stop singing songs that promote drug dealing, stealing, crime, etc. as an acceptable lifestyle or something to strive for, and instead sing a message that condemns such behavior and promotes a more healthy lifestyle.

I'm all for free speech, but if they are going to promote illegal actions as acceptable, they need to be willing to accept the criticism that comes with that message.

Rosie - posted on 03/13/2011

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just to lighten the mood and show the awesomeness of rap please enjoy:

Cherish - posted on 03/13/2011

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yea tah your absolutely right..im sorry if i offended anyone in saying they shouldnt have kids if they play that music. My music isnt exactly squeaky clean either. lol

Tah - posted on 03/12/2011

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Philadelphia freeway ft jay-z and beanie siegal-"even though what we do it wrong..." "we still hustle til the sun come up, crack a forty when the sun go down, it's a cold winter, yall niggas betta bundle up..don't you know cops whole purpose is to lock us down..and throw away the key, but without this shit you kids ain't got no way eat huh? we still try and keep moms smiling cause when her teeth start showing and her stomach start growling my heat start working ima rob me a person.. catch a nigga sleeping while he out in the open..and ima get em...."..."



jay-z- It's a hard knock life for us(to the annie song)....from standing on the corner bopping to driving some of the hottest cars new york has ever seen, for dropping some of the hottest verses rap has ever heard, from fleeing the dope spot with the smoke glock fleeing the murder seen. you know me well, from nightmares of a lonely cell, my only hell, but since when do yall know me to fail.?.."



Tupac-"brenda's got a baby"- I heard Brenda's got a baby, but brenda's hardly got a brain, damn shame the girl can barely spell her name, thats not our problem that's up to brenda's family, well let me show how it affects the whole community.Well brenda never really knew her moms, her dad was a junkie pumping death into his arms, it's sad cause i bet brenda doesn't even know, just cause you're in the ghetto doesn't mean you can't grow, but thats my own revelation, do whatever it takes to resist temptation, brenda got herself a boyfriend,, her boyfriend was her cousin now lets watch the joy end, she tried to hide her pregnancy from her family who didn't even care if she went out and had a church of kids, as long as when the check came in they got first dibbs..."



commom-the light- There are times, when you need someone, i will by your side,There is the light that shines, special for you and me, i never knew a love like this, must be something special for me to write this, Queen i ain't seen you in a miniute wrote this letter and finally decided to send it, signed sealed delivered for us to grow together, love has no limit thats been the slo forever"



just some examples. someone said to enjoy rap music you have to relate, it's true in alot of ways. If you grew up in a place where that's what women were called, to be mean-spirited or to say hey that's my girl, or you ever sold drugs, know someone who did, went to sleep to gun drops and people being robbed. If you have ever seen people have to struggle in these ways, had a brother, cousin, friend etc who was in jail or did things to get there, yeah you are going to relate and sing along and get it. Not saying those are the only people who can relate but they do.



There are other genres of music that talk about devil worship, and doing hard drugs and sex etc but rap is the one that is most singled out. If you like eminem you can't justify it by saying that it's because he is real, he talks about killing his mom, his girlfriend, i mean have you heard Stan and how his music drove a out of control fan to do it. If you listen to interviews and lyrics even you will realize that 9 out of 10 times, the music is imitating life. If you used to sell drugs, you are going to talk about. Some people may be influenced in a negative way, but that's not everyone. I listened to biggie, tupac jay-z, 50 cent and i never though it was okay to go sell drugs just because they talk about what they had to do to survive and how it lead them to want and to have more in life. To me it's an expression.



I don't love lil wayne's or alot of artist use of the words being talked about, but i understand that they are rapping what they know. They know some hoes, and and some B&tches, heck don't we all. Like Jay-z before "i know the difference between a B&tch and a B(beyonce). My parent's influence on me was greater than anything i could have heard on the radio, just because i can relate doesn't mean i follow suit. There are many encouraging rappers out there. Mos def, common talib kwele, Nas. I like rap because i can relate, I don't like all of it, the crap thats out now does not move me because they are not talking about anything anymore. Just wanting you to duggie etc. everyone is not going to get it or like it or relate to it and thats fine, but we shouldn't judge others who do.

Amber - posted on 03/12/2011

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haha number of the beast is my kids favorite song. and fear f the dark. cherish, i fail to see how those kids of music are really any different than lil wayne, by means of controversial lyrics. they're talking about different things but theoretically it's all just as bad. what's the difference in my kid listening to lyrics that say thing about women eing bitches and hoes, and dealing drugs and lyrics that talk about killing the unborn child in the womb and many other disturbing references in iron maiden lyrics. it's all about how you educate your kids. bruce dickenson, lil wayne, mozart...they're all one and the same, artists.

Charlie - posted on 03/12/2011

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I just went to an Iron maiden concert two weeks ago Amber ........it was EPIC And yeah yesterday my two year old was singing number of the beast LOL.

Rosie - posted on 03/12/2011

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i agree with that desiree. music has awesome power to evoke emotion. however, it has never managed to make me or anybody i know or heard of kill my spouse, worship the devil, or go around and fuck everybody cause we think they're all "bitches and hoes."
it can't do that to you. people blame marilyn manson for the kids who did the columbine shooting. maybe perhaps it was because they were bullied?? i fail to see ANY instance of someone decided to treat women like shit because a rap song's lyrics talk about bitches and ho's. they do it because it's the way they were raised. music doesn't have the power to change your core being, nor will it ever.

Cherish - posted on 03/12/2011

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No shit I know bruce dickenson isnt a devil worshipper.. i happen to like iron maiden slayer metallica judas priest and all the 80s heavy metal.

Desiree - posted on 03/12/2011

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Not everybody see or feels that music is just music. For some of us its a passion and is the center of our being, for others it is all about entertainment. Each person has there own link to it and its is part of who we are. It can make you feel love, passion, dispare, anger, sexy, relaxed. Music is not just music.

Amber - posted on 03/12/2011

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oh, and he will be going to his first Iron Maiden concert this summer with his daddy. they both love it. and neither of them are devil worshippers :P

Amber - posted on 03/12/2011

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lol, charish clearly i was being sarcastic when i said i'm a terrible mother, someone take my kids away. i'm a great mom, my kids are happy and healthy and loving :) my husband has a potty mouh, and i have nagged and nagged him to stop but he still slips up often, and my son hasn't ever said a "bad word" in his life. oops, sorry actually one time he said SHIT and then he said "oops, sorry for saying shit mommy" LOL. doesn't mean i'm ruining him. he likes the sound of the music JayZ makes, so we listen to it in the car sometimes. when he is old enough to actually understand, i will begin explaining to him that singers are just like actors - it's a persona they are trying to portray. JayZ the REAL person talks in some of his songs about bitches and hoes, but has in reality been with Beyonce for....anybody know how long? that doesn't strike me as someone who is a bad role model. that strikes me as an opportunity to educate my child on the fact that not everything is as it seems. and like i said before, he likes Billy Joel and Iron Maiden too. what's the difference? it's just music, and for anyone who says it isn't, you're a little too easily influenced. it's entertainment, period.

Anna - posted on 03/12/2011

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ever sing 'Puff the Magic Dragon' to you child/children cherish?! and thats not the only nursery rhymn with a hidden meaning...do some research into music of the 80s. you will find hidden inuendos of sex and drug use. lock your kids up and for a long time. if a few lyrics are really that damaging, whats really out there might come as a big shock. either you plan on sheltering your children from the ugly things (good luck) or they are gonna have a hard time when they come across something really disturbing. (and nearly everyone does in a life time). im not saying listening to rap music prepares you for life, im saying there are things out there that are a lot more damaging. you have made some harsh calls on parenting skills based on the music people listen to. take the kids away from the people who do drugs with the kids in the same room, or from families with abuse...THEY dont deserve kids! but a bit of hip-hop?! give it up. im not saying your a bad parent, im saying give those of us who enjoy rap a break. we arent bad parents either.

Desiree - posted on 03/11/2011

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Hey even Mozart in his time was considered as Riske and Strauss was banned in upper class ballrooms because the music was designed for a man and a woman to dance arm in arm. It's a matter of choice that we each make and its up to us to teach our kids what is acceptable. But since my children are pre teen I tend to be more padantic as they are tend to be more suseptable to peer pressure, which no body seems to have mentioned. Peer pressure makes kids do many things we don't want them too and we all say "Not my Child" well if you think that way you are living in some kind of a bubble. Then they will get into things they shouldn't and you would be very unaware of what happening until its far to late.

Jenn - posted on 03/11/2011

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So why did you say that "tipper gore had her head up her ass and had nothing better to do"?

Meghan - posted on 03/11/2011

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well where I live you can't sell those CDs to kids without asking for ID or having a parent there (same with video games and movies) Again, falls back onto parents being educated and educating their kids

Cherish - posted on 03/11/2011

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i dont listen to price so wouldn't know if that song is inappropriate and yes those stickers are kind of a waste of time bc kids dont pay attention to those stickers and from what i get neither do the parents.

Jenn - posted on 03/11/2011

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? So you think that Darling Nikki is good song for kids to listen to? Or you think that Parental Advisory stickers are a waste of time?

Charlie - posted on 03/11/2011

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"Darling Nikki" by Prince

the sexual lyrics prompted Tipper Gore to start the "Parents Music Resource Center" in the 80's, leading to the use of Parental Advisory stickers on album covers.

Jenn - posted on 03/11/2011

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So what would you consider to be acceptable music to play in front of your child? Just so the rest of us know what is safe to play so as to not be considered horrible parents who are undeserving of our children.

Jenn - posted on 03/11/2011

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Cherish - 80's music isn't all squeaky clean either. Just because it's the style you prefer, doesn't mean it's more "clean".

Meghan - posted on 03/11/2011

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yea, didn't mean to say they were the exact same, I mean that it is one group of people supposedly imitating (in some ways) another group of people...meaning it happens...it didn't just start with kids today starting to imitate rappers who got their "lifestyles" idea from out of no where....am I making sense??

Jackie - posted on 03/11/2011

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But I think REAL mobsters were kind of a secret society though. These so called gang bangers glorify it.

Meghan - posted on 03/11/2011

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and back to my original point...Rappers were not the first group of people to live the gang banger life style...it is derived from Italian American Mobsters...which was and is a real thing. Movies like the Godfather, Bugsy, Scarface etc were an entertainment trend before rap got big, and if you look closely at the "lifestyle" there are some real similarities, so do we ignore that because it isn't popular culture right now, and because it isn't as much of an issue anymore?

Rosie - posted on 03/11/2011

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i agree, but i also think that has to do with a lack of teaching them appropriate coping skills.

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i wasn't comfortable at first. but then i really thought about it and figured the only reason that i'm uncomfortable is because we're all told kids shouldn't hear bad words, or see bad things on tv. but why? what will it do to them if they do? my mother and father really didn't care what i watched or listened to. i am a kind, compassionate, law abiding citizen. hell i don't even speed, if i catch myself going over i freak out! lol! why? because my mother TAUGHT me to respect other people, respect myself, respect the law and nothing on the boob tube or radio can ever take that away from me-never even came close.

Jackie - posted on 03/11/2011

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I agree with you Kati to an extent. I really am just not comfortable letting my kids hear foul and disrespectful language. Don't get my wrong, I slip up... alot sometimes but I guess it's the way I was raised. I don't think I've ever heard my Dad drop the F Bomb but apparently he says it alot around his job. He's old fashioned in that way.

Which brings me to my next point. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Alot of rap music or gangster rap promotes a certain lifestyle. Drugs, gang bangin', shit like that. If the kid is listening to music like that on the regular, then it's pretty safe to say that the parents are listening to it. If the parents are listening to it, then perhaps it's safe to say they can "relate" to it. If the parent can relate to drug dealing and gang banging then perhaps it's safe to say that the kids are exposed to that type of lifestyle.

Disclaimer - I am in no way insinuating that people who enjoy rap music are druggies or gang bangers. I'm just saying that people listen to music that they can relate to. I agree that music doesn't make you a bad person or make bad children but the lifestyle does.

Ramble over. No offense intended to anyone

Rosie - posted on 03/11/2011

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i let my kids listen to whatever they choose, and whatever I choose. my kids aren't heathens, nor will they be. what they watch, and what music they listen to has no bearing on what type of young men they will turn out to be. as long as i'm doing my job as a parent teaching them right from wrong, the words in a song are just that-words.



both of my school aged boys are wonderful children- my kindergarten age child was praised as a role model for behavior in his class. hardly the posterchild for debauchery. the factors that lead to a child picking up these behaviors has everything to do with what the child is taught, not what they watch or listen to.



i do agree if the parent isn't teaching the appropriate things-yes the music MAY be the teacher instead.

Desiree - posted on 03/11/2011

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Music is never just music. Never was never will be. It tells of the time we are living in, what type of people we are and where we are going. Music of the 40's was up beat due to the war. 50's the music slowly started to change and rock and roll was introduced. 60's became wild and politically charged as did the 70's. The 80's was also very politically charged, life was changing everywhere.

Makes me wonder where Music is leading us at the moment. It's so full of desolation, degregation and anger. To quote the Theme of Mahogany.
"Do You Know where you are going to, do you like the things that life is showing, where are you going to...do you know..?

Meghan - posted on 03/11/2011

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It's entertainment....and its hard to monitor everything a kid does-as they get older of course. Toddlers and young children shouldn't be listening to it, totally agree but pre teens and up are going to follow trends-esp if it pisses their parents off (which is actually why I started listening to rap-and never once did I or do I think it is ok to actually behave that way.) It's like a movie without the picture..written and constructed to entertain. Some of it is rude and degrading, but I would say that most people who think its ok to actually behave in that matter have witnessed it in real life-at home or in their communities, not because Lil Wayne "does" it.

Cherish - posted on 03/11/2011

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its not just that its music I dont like..its about the bad messages there conveying to young children. Children are already impressionable enough without people saying its ok to degrade woman or to do drugs. And in my opinion when a child listens to that type of music and a parent llets them listen to it a child id going to think that type of behavior is ok.

Meghan - posted on 03/11/2011

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That you would imply a parent sucks or doesn't deserve kids if they let their kids listen to music YOU don't like...there are worse things a parent can do, direct some of your martyr -ism towards real parental issues!

Cherish - posted on 03/11/2011

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I would never let my child listen to anyone singing about bitches or hoes or drug use...and if you let the listen to that garbage im afraid to know what else you let them do

Amber - posted on 03/11/2011

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also, i let my son listen to Jay-Z. he loves it, and so do i. he also likes Billy Joel, who sings about herion use and drinking. someone take my kid away, i'm a terrible mother.

Amber - posted on 03/11/2011

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the impression i got from the song is that his female companion is also running about with other men, having sex. what does that say about her? it seems to me that they have an open relationship when they're fighting. not necessarily healthy, but not degrading.

anyways, I LIKE LIL WAYNE and i like rap music. my husband listens to lil wayne with me, and he is the most respectful man i have ever met and would never treat a woman like an object.
i grew up listening to eminem talk about the same shit, and it didn't change who i am, didn't make me into the kind of woman who lets a man treat her like crap. if you let yourself get walked all over and abused and degraded and treated like trash, then that's nobody's fault but your own. empower yourself for goodness sakes.
IT'S JUST MUSIC PEOPLE!

Jackie - posted on 03/11/2011

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I love Eminem because he's creative.... he keeps it real and alot of his music is not meant to be taken seriously and he admits that. He is who he is and makes no excuses. He doesn't put on this big front where he's potrayed as a gold teeth wearing, drop top riding, booty smacking, "dolla dolla bills Ya'll" kind of guy to be cool. I do not think that Lil-Weeny, I mean.. lil' wayne is creative at all. The only reason I know who is, is because I couldn't forget the first time I saw is mouth full of gold teeth. Now that's creative

Anna - posted on 03/11/2011

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i love rap music! especially eminem. i listen to it while cooking and will sing away word for word. and while i dont 'let my daughter listen to it' she does walk into the kitchen from time to time (dont you think you took it a bit far cherish?...they dont deserve kids?!) it is entertainment. they are singing about doing these things, doesnt mean they actually do them, or even want to. its the persona they want to portray. and by the look of it, they are doing a good job. may not appeal to a lot of people, but it works. a lot of the big names out there today went from nothing. have you ever looked further into it than just getting all fired up over the lyrics? (and often it is not actually the artist themselves who does the writing) you might be suprised. and meghan is right. this is what they thrive on. negitive attention is like their insperation. someone could probably write a whole song after reading this link...

Rosie - posted on 03/10/2011

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jackie i know you like eminem, we've had discussions about how awesome he is, lol! why do you like his lyrics (his old stuff is pretty demeaning) but suddenly little waynes are offensive? not trying to antagonise, just trying to understand. :)

Meghan - posted on 03/10/2011

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And every time any rapper gets this kinda of attention, they get another hundred dollar bill to wipe their ass with.
It's entertainment, intentions may not only be "express" themselves but to get people talking about them, hiring them, carrying their products etc etc- And if they aren't smart enough to come up with the persona themselves, they have a WHOLE team behind them setting it up.

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