London Gay Couple Say Kiss Got Them Kicked Out Of Pub

Charlie - posted on 04/16/2011 ( 18 moms have responded )

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A British gay couple has triggered fresh debate over public displays of affection after claiming they were thrown out of a London pub for kissing.

As the Guardian reports, Jonathan Williams and James Bull said they were ejected from the John Snow in Broadwick Street pub in London's Soho after their kiss was deemed "obscene" by the woman claiming to be the landlady.

"We weren't being over the top; there wasn't anything that would be deemed unseemly," Williams, a financial journalist, is quoted as saying. Both men claim they were not indulging in a "huge display of affection" but were merely sharing what they describe as a "hands-above-the-table" kiss on the lips. "I'm not the kind of person to do that kind of thing in public," Williams added.

Officials for the John Snow pub and Samuel Smith's brewery, which owns the central London venue, have thus far not commented on the incident, the Associated Press is reporting. Though London's Soho area has a number of gay pubs and other alternative venues, the John Snow pub is not designated and such. Still, other pub owners have slammed allegations that Williams and Bull might have been treated differently because they are gay.

Daniel Griffiths, owner of the Miners Rest in Barnsley, said the couple's sexual preference had no impact on the pub's decision. "From a personal point of view, whether they were gay, whether they were lesbians or whether they were heterosexuals, I would still have thrown them out," Griffiths told the BBC. "We make the house rules and we stand by those house rules. If he doesn't like the house rules, don't use the pub."

Bull isn't so convinced. "I felt so belittled, and to be made to feel so dirty and cheap over something like that - it's just wrong," he told the Telegraph.

The incident has inspired the couple to launch a tongue-in-cheek liveblog, and hundreds of gay rights' advocates have launched a Facebook page to mobilize a three-hour "kiss-in" at the pub as a protest.


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Public displays of affection , do you think it is ever ok ?

Is it better or worse if it is a male / male relationship or female / female relationship or a male female relationship ?

do you not like it at all or are you not bothered by any of it ?

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I think a closed mouth kiss is fine...making out in public is not. I think it's trashy to act so overtly sexual in front of other people...for any gender type of couple.



Years ago before I was married and had babies I was out clubbing with friends and of course we were hammered and having a great time and my gf and I were just being silly and kissed on the lips....so what, it was harmless, not a make-out session...and we were kicked out for it. It was humiliating to be treated like a tramp when for one, you aren't one (not even close!) and two, you were just playing! Even if we weren't playing, still so what. It was a peck for pete's sake and it was in a night club, not the public library at story time!!

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Krista - posted on 04/17/2011

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That's a good guideline, Tracey!

I find it funny that these pubs are so prudish. I've never heard of people here being kicked out for kissing. I've heard of people being booted for having sex in the bathrooms, or for hardcore, under-the-clothes groping on the dance floor, sure.

But seriously? "ZOMG!!! People are KISSING in a pub! That is totally unacceptable behaviour for people who have had their inhibitions lowered by the alcohol that we have been selling to them for the last 2 hours!!!"

I swear, some people are so prudish. It's just kissing. Whoop-de-fucking-doo. PDA doesn't bother me unless it starts looking like a "bow-chicka-bow-bow" soundtrack should be playing.

Tracey - posted on 04/17/2011

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Sorry Cathy, I just meant that while I would be OK with my parents holding hands or having peck on the cheek I wouldn't want to see them do any more than that therefore why should I assume that anyone else wanted to see me behave like that in public.

Tracey - posted on 04/17/2011

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Perhaps as a guide to behaviour we should think would we feel comfortable seeing our parents act that way in public?

April - posted on 04/16/2011

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I feel uncomfortable if i see anyone making out in public, doesn't matter who you are. If people are holding hands, hugging, quick kiss on the lips, no problem. Full on eating the other persons face? No thanks. LOL

Charlie - posted on 04/16/2011

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Damn , Jamie and I got kicked out of a pub once for kissing ................. should have got my $5000 for heterosexual kissing :(

Rosie - posted on 04/16/2011

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i don't really care if people are kissing unless it's like a full on makeout session. a few pecks or whatever doesn't bother me in the slightest.
no it doesn't bother me if it's homosexual or heterosexual, unless like i stated before it's full on make out mode.

Jenni - posted on 04/16/2011

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PDA doesn't bother me as long as it's not over the top. Kissing is perfectly acceptable to me. A lot depends on the atmosphere as well.
At a bar, a couple making out is pretty normal. Wouldn't bother me.
A couple standing in front of me in line at a drug store. Ummm. Ok? You really can't wait until you get to your car, can you? But I'd probably just laugh about that one!

There is *one* thing that annoys me. Couples who must constantly have contact with one another. Like, if they lose contact they will spontaneously combust. The co-dependency kinda make me squeamish.

Doesn't make a difference between it being a same sex couple or hetero couple. If their PDA is making me uncomfortable I'll stop starring at them so hardcore.

Funny there was this really disgusting couple in my HS science class who use to swap spit right in front of my lab partner and I. Not just little pecks... awwww cute couple. I'm talking noisy, lip smacking, slobbery kissing. Considering it was going on directly in front of us when we were trying to pay attention to the lesson. I kindly reminded them that there was a closet in the back of the class if they were interested. We'd appreciate it if they'd use it because we weren't interested in watching or listening to them slobber all over eachother. :P~ ick.

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That's ridiculous! There's always someone who has to take things too far or out of context and destroy all the honest people's credibility.

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Tracey- That's exactly what I would tell my kids....that they love each other. ♥
Why did they receive compensation when the owners weren't in violation? If their rules were clearly stated there should have been no recourse.

Tracey - posted on 04/16/2011

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Male or female it doesn't bother me, however the couple were asked to stop kissing, they didn't so they were asked to leave. Anyone who ignores a warning to modify their behaviour and is asked to leave is responsible for the consequences.

Louise - the answer I gave my kids when they were younger and saw 2 people kissing was that they loved each other, no other explanation needed.

If you are referring to the recent case of 2 gay men who could not stay in a guest house, it was because the owners did not allow non married couples - gay or straight to share a double bed (although they could share a room with twin beds) due to their strong religious beliefs. This was very clearly stated on their website and when the men arrived they had no twin rooms so told them they could not be accommodated. I'm sure the several thousand pounds they received in compensation will make them feel much better.

Toni - posted on 04/16/2011

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I don't mind seeing people hugging, holding hands or giving pecks to each other.

I do NOT like having to witness overt passionate displays of affection whether its from heterosexuals, gays or lesbians in public.

I would have to see a photo of these two men for me to see if I thought their behaviour was public appropriate or not. You can't always believe what you read. There is always that side, this side and the truth.

Louise - posted on 04/16/2011

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It really does not bother me either way. Each to there own. It does bother me slightly if I have to explain to my children why two men are kissing, but my kids would not of been in the pub!

In the UK we also have hotels and guesthouses that will not accept gay couples the world has gone mad!

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