MARIJUANA: To legalize or to not legalize,that is the question.

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Jenny - posted on 02/21/2011

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Because the money generated can be taken from criminals and given to the taxpayer for funding education and treatment programs. I just read that one state cut ALL drug treatment programs due to lack of funds. I bet their weed and cocaine dealers haven't felt the hit of the recession at all yet. Plus drug dealers don't check ID. Plus it is of questionable origin. There are no purity standards, there are no dosage standards. We can't educate people on possible interactions with other drugs, prescription or otherwise, they may be taking. These are all good, rational reasons to legalise drugs.

Krista - posted on 02/20/2011

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But Lacye, driving while impaired IS illegal. Very much so. What we need are harsher penalties for impaired driving, not making criminals out of people who just want to enjoy a nice cold beer while sitting out on their back deck in the summertime.

Prohibition doesn't work. All it does is fuel organized crime. How the heck do you think Al Capone made all his money?

Tara - posted on 02/20/2011

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Exactly Jennifer, large corporate entities can and do intentionally put harmful chemicals into our food, our water and our environment as a whole and yet they wish to tell us that we can't smoke a naturally grown substance that has been used medicinally and used for recreational for thousands of years without any harm to the planet or our species?
But it's okay that aspartame is a neurotoxin and yet is put into so many foods for children it's uncountable.

JuLeah - posted on 02/20/2011

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Lacye, natural sugar is good for you and needed by the body ... processed sugar is not needed; not at all. In fact, processed sugar depletes your body of the B Vit, among others .... it is very very bad for you, alters your mood, alters the chemical make up of your brain, can make you depressed, can make you have food cravings, can cause you to sleep poorly .... in fact, sugar and pot (and beer - caffeine, and nicotine) do similar things to the brain.
As bad as pot is, and I agree it is not good .... if we legalize, we can regulate .... and kids will be smoking pot, not pot laced with ..... drain cleaner or something .... lesser of two evils. Education is the key .... not on the dangers of pot, that won't have any greater impact then education on the dangers of anything else ... but education of what is food and what is a food like substance, what is healthy and what is a toxin .... respect for self, respect for our bodies .... but it is a slow process because you can't regulate additude

Krista - posted on 02/20/2011

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Lacye, here are some Canadian stats for you:

3 million: The number of Canadians who used marijuana in 2002, according to Statistics Canada. That's about 12 per cent of the population older than 15, up from seven per cent in 1989. The Canadian Medical Association estimates that about 1.5 million Canadians smoke marijuana recreationally.

10 per cent: The proportion of Canadian users of marijuana in 2002 who used it every day.

So, that means that 90% of the marijuana users in Canada do not use it every day.

I really think you're mistaken when you say that MOST people do not use marijuana responsibly.

And as for booze -- here are some stats from the US Dept of Health and Human Services:

Almost half of Americans aged 12 or older reported being current drinkers of alcohol in the 2001 survey (48.3 percent). This translates to an estimated 109 million people. Both the rate of alcohol use and the number of drinkers increased from 2000, when 104 million, or 46.6 percent, of people aged 12 or older reported drinking in the past 30 days.

Heavy drinking was reported by 5.7 percent of the population aged 12 or older, or 12.9 million people. These 2001 estimates are similar to the 2000 estimates.


So, roughly half of Americans drink. But less than 6 per cent are heavy drinkers.

Once again, that puts lie to your statement that MOST people do not use alcohol responsibly.

And I really fail to see why the vast numbers of us who can and do enjoy alcohol responsibly should have that taken away from us because a small percentage of people develop problems with it.

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~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/25/2011

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I am all for legalization for medicinal and recreational purposes. I think the USA would be in a foggy state for about 5 years....but then everyone would come out of it and go about their lives. No biggy.

Charlie - posted on 02/23/2011

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I think it is important to note smoking isn't the only way to enjoy the effects of marijuana , it can be taken in pill form , eaten or baked with , drank in a tea ect

Erica - posted on 02/23/2011

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My mom has also said something to this affect too- She at the time was babysitting my daughter, and she didn't want to take any narcotics or have it at the house at all for fear that somehow my daughter would get to it...she also said she would rather be alert then be in a fog and paralized on the couch from the narcotics...

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Sorry, I'm not in the mood to read 5 pages but here's my two cents. Legalize, regulate, educate, pay off the American national debt.

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My mother smokes it because of kidney problems, she passes stones on a regular basis.She also has colitis. she uses it for the pain plus it helps improve her bowel problems. She doesn't like the idea of narcotics because they make her groggy and unable to function properly. This is the only thing she can do that works and allows her to function properly.

Tara - posted on 02/23/2011

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My mom also has Fibromyalgia and she smokes a little bit of weed in the morning to help her muscles relax so she can brush her teeth, do her hair etc. than at night she smokes another little hoot before going to bed so she can relax and falls asleep within 30 minutes, unlike before when it took her 2 + hrs just to fall into a restless sleep. She tried all the meds the doctor told her she could take, nothing worked as well and those that worked at all left her feeling like shit the next day and nauseous as well. The weed also helped with her depression that is commonly associated with this illness. She feels so much better on a regular basis and notices a big difference if she doesn't smoke for a few days.
I've never actually seen her high though, she only smokes a little wee bit and it doesn't change her personality or ability to function at all.
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Erica - posted on 02/23/2011

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My mom has Fibromyalgia and is EXTREMELY depressed, so the doctors don't dare give her any medications that can make her depression terribly worse. She has tried the weed, and she has told me that it helps her to relax, granted it may not take away the pain....but her muscles are not tight all the time. At this time she is working on going to a doctor that will give her the weed. So I'm all for it being legalized, cause there are plenty of people out there that I'm sure needs another option.

I've never tried weed, so I can't really say what it does, I just found that it stunk for me lol. According to my mom, she says that you're able to drive and you still have your wits, but you get extreme munchies...but she has also told me that she doesn't go overboard on it either...

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one way it would drastically make things better is the economy. Its in a bad spot right now and it would open up jobs for people, the taxes would help decrease the deficit and people would have access to it for medical reasons.

Lacye - posted on 02/21/2011

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i know prohabition never worked. I never said it did or would. Realistically, it won't. I won't disagree with you on that. I just don't see where making MJ would make things much better.

Charlie - posted on 02/20/2011

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Absolutely it should be legalized the medical benefits alone should see to that but then I think recreational use should be legal too .

Jenny - posted on 02/20/2011

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It is also still being used recreationally whether legal or not. A pound of marijuana should cost the same as a pound of tomatoes, it is extremely easy to grow. Thousands of people die each year because we want to keep consenting adults from injesting a plant that makes them feel good. Yes, THAT is where our priorties are.

Bonnie - posted on 02/20/2011

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I'm not sure if I would want marijuana to be legalized. Too many people abuse alcohol and this would likely be the same. It can still be used for medical reasons whether it is legal or not.

Angela - posted on 02/20/2011

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Lacye,
I wasnt trying to talk to you like your stupid,And I apologize for the misunderstanding and its fine for you to disagree, but when someone thinks it should be legalized they are going to debate with you,cause after all this is "Debating Mums" and it just seems like you keep talking about how youve done your research with no concrete evidence or facts being provided,I mean except for one Bias Article.

"There are better ways to treat cancer patients, which was something that I had already said in one of my other posts, than pot."

Im sorry, I couldnt find your post that stated that...oh and if you ask cancer patients or leukemia patients who are Medical Marijuana patients, whats better for them in treating them,Im pretty sure they will tell you differently.

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Yeah, I've tasted alcohol. A little when I was 14 (as in just a few tastes and my brother and all my friends were drinking a LOT). A little between 17 and 18 (got mildly 'buzzed' once or twice). And a few sips of other people's mixed drinks (just to try different tastes) from 18-23ish...

I have never claimed to be perfect, but I DO think alcohol is stupid. Don't take that to imply that I think every person that drinks alcohol is stupid. I do have some very dear friends that drink on occasion. It just happens to be something that I disagree w/ and is beyond my comfort zone.

Lacye - posted on 02/20/2011

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Krista, it's not my concern. But I also don't want to be dead because of a drunk driver either. I understand what you are saying about "why punish the many because of the few" I really do. But if only it was just a few. There are still many that do abuse the drug.

Lacye - posted on 02/20/2011

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No Angela, I have no clue what a strain is. (major sarcasm there)

As for the link you provided, it said it couldn't be accessed. There are better ways to treat cancer patients, which was something that I had already said in one of my other posts, than pot.

BTW, please don't talk to me like I'm stupid, because I'm not. I've expressed my views on this many times over this thread. I just don't agree with you. Sorry.

Krista - posted on 02/20/2011

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So what yall are saying is because people are doing it anyways, it's ok? That's not a good enough reason to me.

No....what we are saying is that it is utterly nonsensical to criminalize something just because a small percentage of people are unable to use it in moderation.

If I have a glass of wine with my dinner, how does that harm anybody? It doesn't. So why should it be any of your concern?

Angela - posted on 02/20/2011

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"Angela, I know what the definition of addiction is. I don't need it to be shown to me. I have already looked at the different effects that MJ has on people I don't need that shown to me either."

Acually,lacye you dont. well,cause if you would have read what I put thouroughly, I said there are MANY DIFFERENT STRAINS...Do you know what a strain is? there are many different strains of MJ that have different affects on the body. MEANING that some make you sleepy,some give you that feel good feeling,and so on and so forth.

"I have yet to find one good reason why it should be legal. Mainly because there are none."

HERE YA GO:

http://www.healthcentral.com/chronic-pai...

it also benefits Cancer patients and those who suffer from insomnia :)

Jenny - posted on 02/20/2011

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What I'm saying is the government has no authority over what an adult puts in their body. They need to stop WASTING Billions (with a capital B) of dollars trying.

Lacye - posted on 02/20/2011

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So what yall are saying is because people are doing it anyways, it's ok? That's not a good enough reason to me.

Angela, I know what the definition of addiction is. I don't need it to be shown to me. I have already looked at the different effects that MJ has on people I don't need that shown to me either.

As I have said before, I have done my research. I didn't make it based on what was told to me. Part of it was my research and the other part was by personal observation of people that I know that have done it before. It's not something that I just pulled out of my ass. I spent a while looking at research. I have yet to find one good reason why it should be legal. Mainly because there are none.

Krista - posted on 02/20/2011

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Yeah, I just don't get it. Yes, some people have problems with alcohol or pot. But they are in the very small minority. The VAST majority of people who use alcohol or pot do so responsibly and recreationally. I really fail to see why we should all be punished because of that small percentage of people.

Angela - posted on 02/20/2011

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Teresa, Why should it not be?
and why dont you think Alcohol and cigarettes shouldnt be legal either?

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I don't think it should be. Of course, I also don't think alcohol and cigarettes should be legal either. ;)

JuLeah - posted on 02/20/2011

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@ Tara ... the government makes money on this too, far more then if they leglized and taxed. We now have a 'War on Drugs" and the government makes sooooo much money on this. I doubt they will give it up any time soon, and when they do, it will pot will have been replaced with another substance the government can fight ... wow, do I sound jaded or what?

Jenni - posted on 02/20/2011

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What I don't understand about these anti-smoking campaigns (cigarettes incl.) is we're forced to turn a blind eye to industry who is pumping chemicals into our environment on a mass scale. Causing irrefutable disease and deformities, cancer rates to sky-rocket. But we can't make a personal decision on what we put in our own bodies. Or that there's a few irresponsible people on the road driving impaired. I don't know but isn't it comparing a puddle to an ocean? What's more detrimental to society?

Jenny - posted on 02/20/2011

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"i'd have to disagree with that one jenny. marijuana makes me sooooo unbelievably tired. plus, it impairs your judgement and reflexes. you seriously think he would've just fallen asleep if he wasn't high?"

I'm saying we don't know. Plenty of people fall asleep while high, yes. Plenty of people also fall asleep while tired. There are plenty of drivers who crashed from falling asleep while not under the influence of anything at all. Either way, he made an irresponsible choice to get behind the wheel and paid dearly for it. It's terrible no matter how you slice it.

Jenni - posted on 02/20/2011

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I don't agree with driving under the influence of any substance (incl. cell phone use :P).

I don't think it being currently illegal is preventing anyone from driving while impaired... people smoke it regardless of it being illegal or legal... Did people suddenly stop drinking during the prohibition? And driving around impaired? and even though cell phone use while driving is illegal here. Every 30 mins I'm on the road I get cut off or ran off the road by at least 1 person on their phone completely oblivious to almost causing an accident.

Angela - posted on 02/20/2011

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"Angela, yes it can be addictive. If a person is sitting there trying to scrape up money because they have to have it, then yes, that is an addiction. I have seen people do that and wonder why it is so damn important. It's not."

Lacye,lets look up the definition of addiction shall we?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar...

Having to "scrape" up money doesent make it an addiction.
I know people who "Scrape" up money to do their laundry or buy a dollar burger,not to buy MJ.

On another note,There are so many and I mean MANY strains of MJ that have different affects on the body and mind...And its usually rookies or a person who knows nothing about MJ that usually gets themselves killed or does stupid shit.

Lets have a look shall we:

http://www.medicalmarijuanastrains.com/c...

Rosie - posted on 02/20/2011

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i'd have to disagree with that one jenny. marijuana makes me sooooo unbelievably tired. plus, it impairs your judgement and reflexes. you seriously think he would've just fallen asleep if he wasn't high?

i'm sorry to hear about your cousin lacye. is his death the reason why you feel the way you do? i understand to a point, but you have to look at this from a different logical angle, instead of just emotional. my bio-dad is (was, hes dead now) and alcoholic. he died from it, his liver gave out on him. he was also, an abuser, a murderer, a rapist, and an all around piece of shit because of the alcohol. some would think i would want alcohol to be illegal, or not use it myself. but i've come at this from all angles and realized that while some people may have problems with it, not everybody does. if it's illegal people will still use it (as we saw in our history with prohibition) and i don't feel the govenment should have a say in whether or not i put a natural substance in my body or not.

Jenni - posted on 02/20/2011

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And did it cause you to hallucinate?
I know plenty of people who died in car accidents. But they haven't made cars illegal.
I should have been more specific about the sugar... I meant refined sugar. We could ban it... but food would become pretty bland.
It is not physically addictive, meaning you don't get withdrawels from quiting. Emotional/Mental addictiveness like you're talking about can occur with any behaviour. There are people addicted to eating toilet paper, laundry detergent and couch cushions. People have addiction disorders. Which has nothing to do with what they're addicted to.
The woman who duct taped her child to the wall obviously had deeper issues than smoking weed. What about the woman who shook her baby to death because he was interupting her Farmville. We haven't banned Farmville have we?
Anyways... I'm a big believer in personal freedoms.
In Canada over 10 million people have tried majiuanna. That's 1/3 of the population. I have yet to hear of anyone dying from "majiuanna related" causes.

Jenny - posted on 02/20/2011

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Why are putting that on being high and not being tired? People fall asleep behind the wheel all the time. Yes, smoking marijuana while tired and driving wasn't a responsible decsion but he hardly died from marijuana.

Lacye - posted on 02/20/2011

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Jenny he was driving and was high and fell asleep and ran into a bridge.

Krista I'm not ignoring anything. Yes some people are responsible with it. But there are still a lot of people that aren't.

Tara, I have looked at both sides and I still stand by what I've said. I didn't just up and decide that I just didn't like it, I have my reasons. I'm not going to base my own opinion on what other people around me think.

I'm not trying to be rude, I promise, but I'm not ignorant about all of it. I wasn't fed anything by the government, it was something that I came up with on my own through research. Sorry I just don't agree. :)

Tara - posted on 02/20/2011

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People are not responsible with credit cards, some people get so in debt they KILL themselves rather than face the music so to speak. Shall we ban all forms of credit because some people are irresponsible with their credit??
Honestly?

Tara - posted on 02/20/2011

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Lacye, I highly doubt the woman who duct taped her kid to the wall was high on pot and only pot. And if that is the case, she had a preexisting mental health condition.
Pot smokers are not violent people, they are not aggressive.
How exactly did your cousin die because he was smoking pot?
Do more research, look outside of the propaganda your government feeds you, look to real health sources like WHO.
Look around you, probably 1 in every 10 adults you come in contact with smokes or has no problem with pot.

Krista - posted on 02/20/2011

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That's part of the reason why I think alcohol should be illegal too. People are not responsible with it.

So because SOME people are irresponsible with pot and alcohol, let's just ban it for everybody, then?

More people abuse and die from prescription drugs than from marijuana. So let's ban those, too.

And alcohol causes hallucinations? That's the craziest goddamn thing I've ever heard. So if I have a glass of Pinot Noir with my steak tonight, I'm going to start seeing little pink elephants running around?

There are TONS and TONS of people who use alcohol and pot responsibly, with absolutely no ill-effects. I think you're very conveniently ignoring that.

Rosie - posted on 02/20/2011

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i see no reason why it is illegal in the first place. it's ridiculous!! i personally can't stand marijuana, it stinks, makes want to puke, and fall asleep. i don't like how i am on it. alcohol is so much more detrimental to your health and society than marijane, why isn't that illegal?? seriously, why does the government get to dictate what we put in our bodies?

Lacye - posted on 02/20/2011

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Jennifer, I have smoked weed before. I didn't like the way it made me feel or the way it smelled. It was nasty. But that's not the reason why I don't like it. To be honest, it's because a cousin of mine died because he was high, yes he was smoking pot. In my opinion, MJ is not a good thing. I know it helps with glycoma, can help lessen pain for people with cancer and probably some other things but it does cause some serious problems and in my opinion, we would all be better off without it.



As for sugar, you can't really get rid of sugar. To do that, we would have to ban fruit, which is really good for people. Yes in excess it is bad for you but the body needs some sugar. Not a lot, but some.



Caffine isn't good for you but there are worse things out there. Yes people can drink too much caffinated drinks and it can cause serious problems. But like sugar, it's never going to be illegal.



Angela, yes it can be addictive. If a person is sitting there trying to scrape up money because they have to have it, then yes, that is an addiction. I have seen people do that and wonder why it is so damn important. It's not.



I can see where some points of views are valid, but I don't agree with MJ being legalized is a good thing. It alters people's minds and because of that alteration, causes people to do some really stupid things. Like the woman who duct tapped her kid to the wall, she was high when she did that. If people could use it responsibly, then I wouldn't feel the way I do, but most will not. That's part of the reason why I think alcohol should be illegal too. People are not responsible with it.



Tonya, I have done research on it. I don't base my opinion on something my parents have said because to be honest, they never talked to me about it.

Angela - posted on 02/20/2011

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"I find coffee far more addictive. And sugar... don't even get me started."

Jennifer,I agree with you!
Coffee and sugar are extremley addictive!
Im an avid Diet coke drinker and If I try to stop drinking it(Cause its bad for you,although its diet) I get headaches and I get moody...no joke.

JuLeah - posted on 02/20/2011

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Legalize it, take the criminal out of it. Put it on the same level as smoking or beer .... of course I pray for the day when we all opt for a healthy life style and choose to not put harmful toxins into our bodies (I include fast foods, junk food, processed food, sugar, dyes, chemicals ...) on my list. I think all of that is as harmful for a developing brain/body as beer or pot.

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Layce ,I hate to say it but some of your answers on Mj are starting to sound like the things we hear when we are kids from our parents.You seriously need to do your own research before trying to give facts about something you have no experience on.

Jenni - posted on 02/20/2011

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I find coffee far more addictive. And sugar... don't even get me started.

Angela - posted on 02/20/2011

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"It's still an addiction. Whether it's psychologically or physically, an addiction is an addiction. It means you want it and keep wanting it and you can't stop. It's the same thing."

Layce,I agree with others.
And I know for a FACT that MJ is not addictive at all.

Tara - posted on 02/20/2011

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actually Lacye.. people can hallucinate from consuming too much caffeine, they can even die.
Did you know that more people/youth have died from Red Bull mixed with Vodka than from smoking pot? .... actually there has never been a recorded death from marijuana, you can't overdose on pot. And if you personally have hallucinated while taking pot, can I ask where you got it? Cause I want some of that weed! Weed rarely if ever (never heard of someone seeing things) produces any hallucinations.
Get the facts.
Weed is not the evil reefer madness drug it has been made out to be by the American policy makers and right wing pundits throughout the years.
Just one more example of the US keeping its public in check with mis and dis information by their propaganda machine.

Jenni - posted on 02/20/2011

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No... they just make you morbidly obese. :P

On sugar...

1. It feeds cancer cells and has been connected with the development of cancer of the breast, ovaries, prostate, rectum, pancreas, lung, gallbladder and stomach.



2. It can cause autoimmune diseases such as: arthritis, asthma, multiple sclerosis.



3. It greatly assists the uncontrolled growth of Candida yeast infections.



4. It can increase the size of your liver by making your liver cells divide and it can increase the amount of liver fat.



5. It can increase kidney size and produce pathological changes in the kidney such as the formation of kidney stones.



6. It can increase your risk of Alzheimer’s disease.



7. It can cause hormonal imbalances such as: increasing estrogen in men, exacerbating PMS, and decreasing growth hormone.



8. Your body changes it into 2 to 5 times more fat in the bloodstream than it does starch.



9. It has the potential of inducing abnormal metabolic processes in a normal healthy individual and to promote chronic degenerative diseases.



10. It upsets the mineral relationships in your body causing chromium and copper deficiencies and interferes with absorption of calcium and magnesium.



and hallucinate??? what? Ok... i'm not going to respond to that really. Obviously you've never smoked weed (not saying that's a bad thing).... I'm pretty sure it's acid that makes you hallucinate... maybe extasy.

Jenny - posted on 02/20/2011

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Why are hallucinations a bad thing? I used to pay good money for that back in the day.

While it may amplify your environment, hallucinations with marijuana should not be considered equatable to magic mushrooms or LSD. It is more of an out of body feeling, part of the reason it is so popular with the Rastafarians to bring them closer to their god.

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