Mauling - charges?

Caitlin - posted on 06/08/2010 ( 23 moms have responded )

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This happened yesterday only a few kilometers away from where I live. Do you think they should be charged?



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Mom, grandma arrested after dog kills infant

Last Updated: Tuesday, June 8, 2010 | 8:28 AM ET

CBC News

The mauling happened in a family home in Saint-Barnabé-Sud, about 60 kilometres east of Montreal. (CBC)

A teen mother and her mother face charges of criminal negligence causing death after a dog mauled and killed a newborn girl on Montreal's south shore on Monday.



The pair were arrested after emergency workers were called to a house in Saint-Barnabé-Sud, near St-Hyacinthe, on Monday afternoon.



Paramedics found the baby girl covered in deep bite marks and scratches. Police said she had been left strapped in her car seat on the second floor of the house when she was attacked.



There was sufficient evidence to arrest both the mother and grandmother, said Quebec police Sgt. Ronald McInnis. Both had left the infant inside to go look at the yard and neither took "care of the baby," he said.



Two Husky dogs live on the property and were roaming freely when the mauling happened, McInnis added.



Both women will appear in court on Tuesday to face charges of criminal negligence causing death.





Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/...

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Becky - posted on 06/08/2010

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I think she should be charged. I agree with Caitlin that there is probably more to this than what is being reported. Just reading the story, there was more negligence/stupidity there than just leaving a tiny infant unattended with 2 large dogs. For one, she was left strapped in her carseat. Now, maybe they'd just come in from the vehicle, but this isn't reported, so who knows how long she'd been in there. It's dangerous to leave a small infant strapped in their carseat for long periods of time, especially without supervision. They can suffocate. Secondly, the second story says the carseat was left on a chair. My carseat says right on the seat to never leave the infant unattended on a raised surface while in the carseat. The infant's movements (or those dogs!) could cause the carseat to shift and fall, causing the child serious injury. And then there's the whole leaving an infant alone with 2 large dogs thing. overall, it sounds to me like this young mom was not very aware of safety precautions to take with her baby - or she didn't care. Anyways, if the police found enough evidence to arrest them, then I think charges are warrented.

Sharon - posted on 06/08/2010

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the "mother" needs to be charged with murder, not manslaughter, and if I had my say, the stupid bitch would be temporarily sterilised until she was 25.

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Rosie - posted on 06/10/2010

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i unfortunately did this as well. i took my then 18 month old second child to the drivers license station with me to renew my license. it's not normally a place you would take a kid, but i had to get it done, and had no one to watch him, so i took him. it was morning so not to hot 75-80 degrees, and i was surprisingly in and out in like 10 minutes (normally at least 45 min). i was horrified to see my son smiling at me when i got back to the car. i've never had a more terrifying experience in parenting.

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As an example of what Kati is talking about, I heard of this happening to a brand new mom. She was a teacher and was going back to school for the first time since she had her baby. On the drive she forgot to drop off the kid at daycare and walked into the school to start her day. They discovered the child too late. Tragic. But a true accident.

Rosie - posted on 06/10/2010

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i dont see how leaving your baby in a hot car can be considered an "accident" i realize it was just an example, and maybe i am being picky....but it is a conscious decision to leave a child in a hot car alone, i dont think its right o leave a child in any car alone, personally-erin



i'm talking about the people who really don't realize they left their child in the car, not just the ones that decide to go shopping for hours, and decide to leave the kid in the car.

Lea - posted on 06/10/2010

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Why would you leave a baby where you CANT HEAR her cry??? Theres nothing wrong with taking a break from the baby but you need to be able to hear her... who knows maybe they could hear her they just thought she was just fussing. :(

*Lisa* - posted on 06/10/2010

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They should both be charged and the dogs shot. What an awful way to die :(

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When all my children were babies we had a dog in the house i trusted her 100 % she was a wonderful dog but if i left the room i would call her and take her with me rather than leave her alone with my babies. She even used to come to the toilet with me lol. You cant trust dogs especially with newborns because you never know how they will react, dogs can be just as jealous and spiteful as little kids.

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I can't believe that some people are so trusting of dogs to assume they would never attack children, they're animals. I would be reluctant to even have big dogs in my house, let alone leave a baby unattended with them.

C. - posted on 06/08/2010

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YES, YES, YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Something similar happened a while back to one of my coworkers neighbors. This lady was 'watching' her grandson and the dog killed him.



I definitely think they should be charged! It's so sad.. You NEVER leave your child alone when there are certain dogs present, EVER!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't leave my 23 month old alone in the living room in my MILs house when the dogs are out, even if I just have to pee or run to the kitchen.. He is always in my sights b/c those dogs have nipped his legs before (and when I saw the marks I was SO pissed- thankfully they didn't break the skin, but you could still see the marks). I do leave my son by himself to run to the bathroom in my mom's house, only b/c 1) the dog usually follows me to the door (I leave it open if we are the only two in the house so I can keep an eye on him still) 2) my mom's dog was raised around small children and literally lets my son climb all over him and play.. The dog literally does nothing but watch as Liam climbs all over him 3) he's a King Charles Spaniel (a big one, but just as gentle as a small one).. Whereas my MILs dogs are Chihuahuas, one that's a mix of Chihuahua and something else and some other kind of dog that I can't remember what it's called.. But they are not, nor ever have been 'gentle'. One of the Chihuahuas bit right above my ankle before when I was pregnant, leaving me with a nasty bruise and broken skin.. And she bit through my jeans!!!

Shelley - posted on 06/08/2010

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I think it was an accident but the law must charge people. Hopefully the jury with all the information will be fair in its jugement. Accidents happen. Just the other week my 11 month old climbed the baby gate and walked into our front yard while i was cooking dinner. She was almost on the road by the time i found her. i never ment for her to get hurt i didn't even know she could climb the gate but this could have been me on the news.

Caitlin - posted on 06/08/2010

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I think that in this case there is more than meets the eye, because she is a minor we wont know the full details about it sadly, but I think there may be concerns that it wasn't just an "oops" moment

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I've left my sleeping child inside while I go out to check the mail, sweep the porch, do the laundry (our laundry room is an add-on, you have to go outside to get to it). I think it's unreasonable to expect a child to be in the presence of an adult 100% of the time. I DO think it's irresponsible to leave the child with strange dogs. If I had dogs, I would keep them in a separate room than the sleeping child FOR SURE. But accidents happen. It just takes a split second for ANYTHING to happen. But because she left the child KNOWING that the dogs were present, I think she should be charged to some extent.

Caitlin - posted on 06/08/2010

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***UPDATE***

The woman passed in court this afternoon, and the released the grandmother without charges, but charged the mother with manslaughter. More information is coming out now, the mother was out on the balcony for 5 minutes smoking a cigarette, both dogs are most likely being put down, the dogs were left in the kitchen with the baby strapped into her carseat on the floor...



http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/...

Erin - posted on 06/08/2010

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i dont see how leaving your baby in a hot car can be considered an "accident" i realize it was just an example, and maybe i am being picky....but it is a conscious decision to leave a child in a hot car alone, i dont think its right o leave a child in any car alone, personally,

Erin - posted on 06/08/2010

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yes, the mother should be charged as is was her responsibility to protect the child. i would assume it was the grandmothers house and therefore her dog...if this is the case then the grandmother should also be charged as the dog would be her responsibility. personally i would never leave my childinside alone under any circumstances especially inside with dogs.

Rosie - posted on 06/08/2010

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i don't think a person who backs up over their child should be charged either, just as i wouldn't want someone to be charged who accidentally leaves their baby in a hot car. an accident is just that-an accident. i don't see the point of imprisoning somebody for an accident.

Caitlin - posted on 06/08/2010

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Kati - by that logic if you back up over your kid in the driveway because you didn't bother checking your mirrors, you shouldn't be charged with negligence because you've already suffered enough? Sure, it's tragic, and i'm sure they are both devastated about it, I couldn't even imagine, but that doesn't mean charges shouldn't be filed..



I would NEVER leave my kids alone with a dog before 12 years of age (and even then..) dogs are still animals after all, and though i've known (and owned) some really sweet dogs, I was always reluctant to turn my back on them together, let alone go outside to check on the damn flowers!

Rosie - posted on 06/08/2010

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i think they are charging the grandmother as well since the mother is a minor. i do not think they should be charged though. it's something i think i would've done myself around my own dog, other peoples dogs, not so sure-depends on how well i knew them. maybe i have to much trust in dogs, apparantly i do. either way, these people have already paid enough by losing that baby. i don't see the point in charging them, i'm sure they've learned.

Sarah - posted on 06/08/2010

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I'm totally not a dog person, so I'm always ultra wary around dogs, and even more so if my kids there!
I think they should definitely be charged! It seems insane to leave a newborn in a room with 2 strange dogs.

Such a sad story :(

Caitlin - posted on 06/08/2010

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The worst part I think is that the dogs didn't even belong to them, they belonged to friends who were over.. who leaves a newborn baby strapped into a chair on the floor with 2 strange dogs. Even a dog you've had forever can't be trusted with a newborn like that. I feel bad for the dog who is being put down today (they think it was only the male that mauled it, not the female, so they'll only put the 1 dog down).



I do think both should be charged - Though it really is the mothers primary responsibility, I woulnd't let anyone I know do that, just in case they didn't know, especially since the mom is only 17!

Lady - posted on 06/08/2010

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Yes they should be charged, especially the mother as it was her baby so therefore her responsability. I'm not so sure about the grandmother though.

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