Men's child rearing rights

Jazmyne - posted on 11/24/2012 ( 30 moms have responded )

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Should a man be able to sign over his rights to a child and not pay child support without the woman's "permission" if he does not (or never did) want the child? Is it really any different than a woman deciding to abort or give her child up for adoption if she does not want it when the man has no say? What are your feelings on this issue?

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Denikka - posted on 11/24/2012

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I've stated it before and shall state it again. I think men have just as much right to an *abortion* as a woman does. I believe that there should be a certain amount of time where a man can sign over his rights, ALL of them. But this would have to be an irreversible thing. No walking in a few years later and wanting to play daddy.



It's a really tough thing, because there are already so many dead beat dads out there. But maybe, if a woman/girl went into things knowing that as soon as their partner found out she was pregnant, he'd sign out, perhaps she would make slightly different choices instead of hoping that he'll stick around or knowing that she can still get support even if he doesn't.

Momma - posted on 11/25/2012

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What ^^^^ she said! I agree completely.



It is a two way street. If a woman can make the choice just because it is her body, than a man should be able to make the choice because it is his life.



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Denikka - posted on 01/06/2013

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That's another thing that bothers me.
Why should a woman have the right to go in YEARS later and start demanding money from a man who never knew he even had a biological child?
Sure, finances change. Things happen. but if you adopt a child and then something happens and you're broke, you don't get to go back to the agency and say *this is inconvenient now, we're broke, so take it back*. You don't get to go after the bio parents and say *hey, we're having issues so give us money now. Technically it's your kid so you should have some responsibility in paying for it*

I can absolutely understand that there are cases where the father has been unable to be found for a length of time. And for those who have actually been looking, then absolutely. They have been going through the process and doing what they can.
But I've known and known of my share of women who have gotten along fine for many years (4, 6, 10 years) without going for child support, and then their partner leaves or their job situation changes and all of a sudden they're calling up this guy who hasn't heard a word from them. about the pregnancy, birth, child or anything else in YEARS, and the woman is demanding child support.
And I have seen men going through courts, in the same situation, having children who are 8 or 10 yrs old, never knowing about them, meeting them, etc, who are now not just having to pay child support from the court date, but BACK child support for all the years they missed.

Just wrong wrong WRONG in my mind.

Denikka - posted on 01/04/2013

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There is starting to be more and more controversy about sperm donors remaining anonymous. Many of the children believe that that information should be released and that they should have the right to meet their *biological* father.

See, that's the problem. My rights end where yours begin. A man's reproductive rights end the moment of conception and then the woman's rights take over. IF she chooses to keep the child and raise it, THEN the child's rights take over.
Were the situation reversed, a man forcing a woman to finish a pregnancy against her will and then raise that child, people would be up in arms.
But whose rights are to be considered more important. As much as I agree that a child deserves 2 parents, having some person giving a certain amount of money each month (if they even do that much) is not what I would consider to be a parent. I know how hurtful it is to have a deadbeat/not there father. I do not see how forcing a man to donate finances towards a child is really helping that child in the ways that matter.
I won't ever say that finances and money don't matter. Obviously they do. A lot. But in many cases, a man who is completely against the pregnancy is not going to have a positive relationship with the mother. There's going to be anger, there's going to be resentment. Especially when he moves on and has a family that he actually wants and can barely afford to support them because of an incident that he was completely against in the first place. If he's actually involved in the child's life at all (and many aren't), the child is going to know. The child is going to feel those negative emotions.
How many topics have you seen, even just on here, let alone heard from other places, about the mother complaining about the dad who doesn't want to pay child support. The fights that go on about how much that father should do for their child, etc. I don't see that as being positive for a child in any way.
I know in my situation, it was better that my mother never expected my father to stick around or be involved in my life. There were a number of circumstances that lead up to that. But I was even planned and things went horribly wrong after my birth. He was given a choice, to step up and be everything a father should be, or to get out and stay out. He left. Yes, we sometimes struggled financially. Yes, it would have been nice to have had the extra money. But it was easier and better for me to struggle through rather to have had any involvement with him. And it's not like he was even abusive or anything like some are.
I can only speak from my own experience, but it was better for me, the child, that he checked out completely

Denikka - posted on 01/03/2013

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Nicholas, this is not an abortion debate. There are other threads that question the morality of abortions.
Abortion is legal, and to many, it's a viable option. Myself included. I have never had one, and would hope to never have one, but do have an internal list of circumstances where I would consider one.
But our personal opinions on whether abortion is right or wrong is a moot point in this particular thread.
Women have the independent right to end their involvement in a pregnancy. Whether through adoption or abortion. Men do not have either of those options independent of a woman's choice. If a woman has a choice to walk away from a pregnancy within a certain time frame (abortion) or walk away from their infant (adoption), I personally believe that men should have the same right.

But I do agree that EVERYONE should choose their partners carefully, if for no other reason than to reduce the likelihood of having conflicting beliefs about something so important.


***Just wanted to add
You have a masculine name. Are you male? If so, what are you doing on a site that's specifically for mothers?

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Yvonne - posted on 01/21/2013

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My opinion is that no one person should be able to tell another human being they are ready and able to be a parent. If a woman makes the decision knowing the man does not want the child then the woman is making a decision to be a single parent. I'm all for men being able to opt out of being a father but since that's gonna happen when pigs fly, I'm also for child support reform because in it's current state, we are creating "deadbeat" fathers out of the poor, laid off, and under represented.

Countess - posted on 01/06/2013

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Nice one, of course the father who does 't want anything to do with his own child is worst than abortion, well that is my opinion. But both of the situation are bad, also my opinion. Sometimes we had to face the consequences of our mistakes. If the child is there because of a mistake, then make it right, besides we are talking a life here. And I believe no one has the right to take any kind of life even if you are justified to do it. Sometimes a life is there for a reason, even the smallest insect that has been borned out of nothing has something to give in the world, it can be to balance the nature. if you ask this question, I'm sure there is a thing in you that makes you guilty doing abortion. And you shall listen to that, Sometimes intuition is the best councilor. Even if it seems it so hard, but don't worry I am sure you can do it. There's nothing bad will result out of a good decision. But there's always worst will come up out of a bad attitude. It is time to start with goodness so it will end up in goodness.

Kari - posted on 01/06/2013

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Denikka,
I totally 100% agree with you, & this has been something I have been saying for years...
Ever since a sheriff came to my door & served my (now ex-) husband with paternity papers. Before he met me, he (apparently) impregnated a one-night-stand, & 4 years later she decided she wanted child support. Did she want him to be a part of her child's life? No. All she wanted was financial support, & I was sickened. She turned our life (including BANK ACCOUNT!!) upside down. My ex wanted nothing to do with the child (judge all you want, I understand), but has been paying out the nose for going on 10 years now.
The system is flawed, but until people stop being so damn SENSITIVE about the subject, it will continue.

Cecilia - posted on 01/04/2013

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In that case I would assume the father will win. The adoptive parents might be contesting but I doubt they will win. I believe the mother has to sign legal documents stating that she has given all the correct information. If she is found to be fraudulent then the father should be able to win the case.

the only true answer would be that the mother has to prove who the father is and have him sign the adoption papers. that doesn't always work does it? As you mentioned one night stands where they don't know the name, cases of rape, cases where soon as he found out he ran.... Then what? That would leave many women only the option of aborting. Truth is it is an imperfect system but there is no answer besides to give the mother more rights on decision making.

I do think the major difference is the fact that the choice will drastically change the woman's lifestyle within a few months. By allowing the woman to abort or give away a child it does not drastically change the father's life in a few months. It keeps their life the same as it was...

As far as the male pill, I am sorry I guess it isn't out just yet, nor is the gel... Geeze i heard about them years ago i was sure they would be out by now. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/201...

As far as going after the sperm bank looking for the father. The sperm banks protect the donors. It's like releasing medical information.. Unless the donor consents the other party can not get information about them. http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/he... a case that states the donor is not the father since a doctor did a procedure. (wonder how that works in non-donor situations)

Denikka - posted on 01/04/2013

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Cecilia, there are many cases where a father has had no say in the adoption. In fact, one of the big ones that comes to mind is a recent case where a man who was MARRIED and deployed (in the military) came home to find his wife had been pregnant (he knew but believed the pregnancy had been aborted) and had given the baby up without his knowledge, let alone his permission (and against his will). He's been fighting in court for almost 2 years now and there's still a large controversy about it.
Apparently the judge HAS ruled in his favor, but the adoptive parents are still contesting the ruling. But really, the best thing the guy has going on here, in this particular situation, is the fact that he was actually married to the bio mother at the time of the adoption. If he wasn't, he'd more than likely be royally screwed.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-ad...

All it takes is some minor fraud on the part of the mother. *I don't know his name*, giving the wrong address, etc. I don't know about you, but after breaking up with someone, especially when it's not a mutual, happy shiny break up (and most aren't), it's pretty easy to avoid someone for 6 months or whatever. If there's over lap or any debate as to who the father is, that's pretty easy to hide. Even if there's no doubt in the mothers mind, the father may think that the baby is someone else's and not worry about it if she never tells him that he's the father. Really, the only way a man would actually know or even suspect he's a father is to be told by someone else. Women cheat, relationships end and the woman may move on quickly, it may not have been a relationship at all, but a one night stand.
It's pretty easy to keep a pregnancy and/or knowledge that the baby is his, from a man. Even if he knows about the pregnancy, he may be completely clueless that he's even in the running to have been the father.

Men currently do not have the option of a birth control pill. From all my research, the only thing I have found is that they are starting trials and that is currently the only way to get a hold of them, and that they will NOT be available off the shelf any time in the very near future.
If you have any additional information on that, and could cite your resources, I'm sure many people would be grateful to learn about it :)

Men's reproductive rights are extremely limited. I for one don't think that should be allowed. In certain aspects, there's not much choice (like when it comes to the man wanting the child and the woman wanting to abort. That's her body taking the risks, and not much we can currently do about that).
But I don't think that it's right that a woman can have multiple options during and after the pregnancy while the man only has a single option, at the moment of conception. And even then, that option can be removed from him (as with the case that you stated where his sperm was stolen).
In that particular case, it's not too far from a single woman going after a sperm donor (a real, legal sperm donor) for child support, because a child deserves 2 parents right?
The mother has the right to choose what happens with the pregnancy, the child has the right to the support of 2 parents, and the man? The man can go and suck it cause he has no rights what-so-ever. . . .

Cecilia - posted on 01/03/2013

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Ok i didn't read much of the responses so excuse me if i'm bringing up the same subjects..

First a woman can not give up a baby for adoption without the father's consent. If the father does not step forward in so many days, they finalize the adoption. Now some might say oh he didn't know about the child. Well then that means he hasn't been around the mother in about 6 months. Sorry guys but it isn't all that easy to hide a big ol' belly... If you missed it you might not be smart enough to raise a child. Even with that said i do think father's can contest the adoption later on if they find out later.

As far as being equals, it isn't going to happen men, sorry it's true. Women typically are not the ones who will walk out on a child. Men do that. We have to hold a larger burden when it comes to children ( even in marriage most times.) With the added responsibility that we face, we also gain more control. This allows us to be able to abort without your permission. You might not like the idea but it's true. We're allowed to do it without you because odds are we would be doing it without you.....

As far as birth control for men is concerned... guess what!! Men have birth control... condoms and pills... wow you didn't know that did you guys? Yep you can double protect yourself from dealing with these unwanted children.

There is a case where a woman admitted she "stole" his sperm. she sued him for child support and won. Now when i say stole, she really did steal it. she took the condom from the garbage, squeezed it out and boom she was pregnant... Why did the court give her child support? It's simple. The child deserves to have 2 parents. No matter who lied about condoms, birth control, accidents or what ever.. Now think about that....

The child deserves two parents...so the court would never rule to allow one parent to walk away free and clear. The father will never be allowed to turn off child support. The mother is then allowed to choose a two parent household for her child if she wants to. It is to better the child's life. That's the difference.

Nicholas - posted on 01/03/2013

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fair enough, i agree with some but not everything in that paragraph but that is ok.

On a different note, i have looked all over in the guidelines and found nothing of the sort that only woman are allowed on this site. I understand that the website is called circle of moms however as stated before its a little more than that. it is a good tool for any parent. Perhaps other men were banned for a different reason? If you find where there is a specific rule regarding sex on this site then i would be happy to view it. If so i will not refer any of my male friends to this site anymore for answers.

Denikka - posted on 01/03/2013

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I questioned your gender because this is supposed to be a site specifically for MOTHERS. Men who come on here are usually banned. I believe there have been a few cases where certain individuals were allowed in certain communities, but overall, the general rule is that men are not allowed here. It has nothing to with agreeing or disagreeing with me, simply a rule of this site.

I may have misworded my original intention. For that, I apologize. What I meant was to *abort* or end the potential of parental responsibilities after pregnancy is discovered. Men currently have no legal options in that regard. It is entirely up to the women.

I have said in many different discussions that I wish reproductive rights could be completely equal. The only way to do that would be to create an artificial womb into which a fetus could be transplanted should the father want the child and the mother does not want to carry it to term. At this point, men have almost no rights after the fact of conception. There are many instances of adoption where the man would have wanted the child, but the woman has chosen to go behind his back to give the child to someone else. There are many instances of women having abortions where the man wants the baby and she does not.
But if a man wants to essentially do the same, aka back out of parental responsibilities regardless of the woman's decision, he cannot. He is often taken to court for support money and is often called horrible names (dead beat and such being among the nicer ones).

I believe that everyone should have the right to decide, independent of the partner. I feel that not allowing men to have an option to back out of parental responsibilities is a form of discrimination. I would never force a woman to carry OR terminate any pregnancy. I would also personally never force a man to be involved in a pregnancy that HE doesn't want.

In fact, on that note, when I found out I was pregnant with my first child, at 19, the first thing I did was sit down with my partner and tell him that he needed to make a choice independent of my own. He could choose to walk away entirely, he could choose to walk away and still support his child, or he could choose to stay and take full responsibility. I told him that if he decided that he wanted the baby and I did not, that I would continue and carry the baby to term, then sign over my rights. Most women won't give the man that option though.

We are not technologically able to have equal reproductive rights. But giving men a *back out* option, with limitations obviously (same as a woman), is at least one step closer to that equality.

Nicholas - posted on 01/03/2013

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well dennika about 20 posts back you ventured in that direction and if you disagree that you didn't then how was i able to decipher your stance so clearly?

But since I am clearly off topic that you pointed out, i will do my best to stay specifically on topic :) Your definition of walking away is only half true and half inaccurate. adoption is literally walking away from your child. Adoption is equal to a man walking a way. It is unfortunate for the child but it is a choice that parents have, however walking away does not mean getting an abortion. I really don't see how you put a man having the right to walk away in the same category as a woman having the right to have an abortion. That is what you were debating. honestly its more in the same category as man pushing a pregnant woman down the stairs if he doesn't want it instead of walking away. His actions do not take another life if he walks away so it cannot be in the same category. Stating the opinion of a topic being moot and then stating your stance that it is viable or that you would consider it is a bit of an "oxymoron" don't you think? Truthfully my point really is not to argue with you and i can tell this could go on for days but my purpose to provide another side because there is a great possibility that a confused mother might run across these threads and this might be the tipping point from what i consider to be a bad decision. So my purpose is accomplished and i will say no more on the topic. Obviously we will not agree and that is that. Growing up the phrase "make your bed, you lie in it" obviously only applies to a few of us apparently.

Why does it matter if i am a male or not? Does it matter because i don't agree with you? Do you think the reason i am here that it might have something to do with that this is a good resource for many things that involves parenthood? There are very intelligent people out there and regardless of if i a man or not it is my prerogative to utilize such knowledge and experience if i choose to. Shouldn't you be asking why more men are not on here instead of the opposite? I think you missed the purpose of this website

Nicholas - posted on 01/03/2013

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hmmm, interesting opinions however I'm gonna have to disagree with the majority of you. A man should not be able to give up his rights for the purpose of evading child support. This is morally wrong to begin with however since he did then you are your child are better off without him if this is the extent of imprint he wishes to leave on this earth is to abandon the greatest miracle he can be a part of. Definitely a coward.

Regarding women having the right to abort a child period is wrong to begin with however it is even more so when the father wishes to keep the child after birth. Here is why, obviously (unless it was rape) it was consensual and the choice was made by both parties. Cause and effect for both parties. This means that yes a man should be careful who he chooses to partner with but the same can be said for the female however its not about equal rights or reproductive rights as put earlier. It is about the child's life before anything else including your decision to have it or not. Unless your life is in immediate danger and you are physically able to carry the child while maintaining your health then yes you should carry that child for 9 months because you help create it. Regardless of what you believe and what trimester you consider the child to be human, if you abort the child then you are interfering with another life and you are the purpose of why a life is not here today. Especially if a father is choosing to take responsibility when a mother does not then to be honest 9 months is a small price to pay for an irresponsible choice if you weren't ready to have a child to begin with(if you even consider it a price) if that is the extent of your involvement in the child's life. Cmon ladies the website is called circle of moms and should be about preserving and promoting the joys of being a mother and helping other mothers try to make good decisions not justifying reasons for abortion which is clearly the opposite of what a mother symbolizes at the core. Purpose of my post is not to argue with you but to attempt to provide a reasonable voice where a child cannot give his/her defense. Since it is a little apparent that one or more women are having this option i felt it necessary to post this.

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I really wish they would come up with birth control for men. That being said, it's a interesting idea but I can't help but think if only he would have worn a condom he wouldn't be in this situation. :(

Ashley - posted on 12/26/2012

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but i also believe that if you dont want a child, then you should use protection, and do anything possible to avoid it from happening. if you know you dont want a child and you dont use any type of protection, then you should be responsible. i think it should be the same with women...if they dont use protection to try to avoid it, then they should have to be responsible too.

Ashley - posted on 12/26/2012

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i think if a woman has the decision to keep the baby or have an abortion, then the man should be able to sign his rights and not pay child support, but i think he needs to do it as soon as the baby is born, not any later than that.

JD - posted on 12/22/2012

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If a man desperately wants a baby and the mother wants to abort, he should have taken more caution in choosing a partner who would not choose to have an abortion. If a man does not want a baby, no woman can make a man a father because she says so if he does not have sex with her. Men have no legal opt out option, but they do have the prevention option. Now this is not a "if you don't want a baby, don't have sex" statement, because we all know that doesn't happen. So, again, I say perhaps more caution should be taken when choosing a partner and know before hand how 'what ifs' and 'oops' moments would be dealt with. Women have a way out, that's that, but once the child is born, it's no longer about what the mother or father wants, it's about the child and getting the financial support that it deserves.

I also believe that the numbers of single mothers would increase greatly if this were an option. I highly doubt that more would be taking caution, especially men because of the simple 'opt out' being able to have sex nearly worry free and have no financial consequences and there are some that would be even so malicious to do it out of spite as in the couple decided to have a child, then at 15 weeks they have an argument and break up, he signs off parental rights, leaving her to take care of a planned child on her own. Women in abusive relationships are often tricked into pregnancy, whether by the men messing with her birth control, poking holes in condoms, or by manipulation and threats. This would just become one more tool an abusive man could use against her.

The idea behind allowing men to just sign off is a tricky one and a slippery slope that could put some women and/or children in a dangerous position.

Denikka - posted on 12/18/2012

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It's not ideal when a man desperately wants the child as soon as he finds out about the pregnancy and the woman decides to abort it.
Or, more recently in the news, the soldier who was deployed, never knew about his child until after he got back, only to learn that his wife had given the baby up for adoption. That's not ideal either.

At this point, it's not equal. Some people think that it shouldn't be equal, that's their opinion and that's fine.

At this point, a woman has 2 *out* options if that's what she chooses. A man has no legal out option. BOTH people were responsible for the pregnancy (except in cases of rape/trickery of course, going either way) so both should have the same options when it comes to deciding on what will happen to them for the rest of their lives.

As I said in my post above, reproductive rights simply can't be completely equal at this point. A man does not have the option of continuing a pregnancy if the woman decides not to. Which,is relatively fair because it is HER body and SHE is the one taking on the risks and problems and strain of pregnancy and child birth.

But what right does a woman have to say to ANY man "you will be a father because *I* say so". Even if it IS just a financial obligation.
As has been mentioned before, perhaps BOTH parties would take more responsibility for reproductive protection if both knew that the other party would not be involved in any way. That they would be doing the whole *parenting* thing completely on their own.

JD - posted on 12/15/2012

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Unfortunately, this is not ideal in anyway. Yes, women have the right to terminate, but the point behind the matter is that when a woman decides to terminate, there is no child to support, whereas with this scenario, the child is solely left to a woman who chose not to terminate, but the man still helped create. Why should a living breathing child be (possibly) punished because the man decided that he did not want to take responsibility for his actions and accompaniment in creating a child?

Jodi - posted on 12/04/2012

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I do think that a man, within a certain period of time, should be allowed to sign over his parental rights and walk away. In many situations, that would probably be for the best.



However, that is not likely to ever happen. My sister and her ex are trying to do this right now, have been for over 2 years. They split before bub was born, the daddy never showed an interest, saw bub a total of 2 times. When it came time that he finally decided that my sister was right, it was in everyone's best interest if he signed over his rights, they went to court to do so, but found out they can't do this. Why? She is on government assistance, as long as she received his child support, it's less money from the state she receives. If he signs over his rights and stops paying child support, the state will have to pay more in EBT cards, state insurance etc etc. The judge will not allow the daddy to sign over his rights until a time when my sister has a good paying, stable job and is no longer on assistance of any kind. So we live knowing that her now 5 year old son will go into the hands of a complete stranger if anything happens to her, and that there isn't much we can do about it.



I think, if either wants/needs out, that option should be there, no questions asked. Without that, too many kids are getting abused, neglected, used a pawns in a game to hurt each other etc etc.

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Fair is fair. As long as a woman can kill or give away the baby without even telling the father she was pregnant, the man should also be able to walk away from the baby.

Denikka - posted on 11/26/2012

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Glad I could spare you the effort of expressing your own opinion there Tracy :P

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Yep, I was going to make an intelligent post all about my opinion on the topic. HOWEVER, Denikka had to be all on the ball and stuff and beat me to my own opinion. She said it exactly as I would have. When you both do the deed, why is it only women get a choice afterward to "walk away"? And, yes, it would help us women out so much to know he's just a walking away rather than the whole drawn out game of "where's daddy" and fighting for child support, etc... Let me know what I am walking into so I can make the most informed choice possible. (I was a single teenage mother. The father was older and played the "I love you and will be there" game until my son was around 11 months old. Then years of "where's daddy"? By six years old he was gone entirely when annoying and hurting me was no longer fun.)

Jazmyne - posted on 11/25/2012

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Oh ok. I was unsure what you were saying in the last paragraph of your previous post :) All better now.



I beleive that if a woman wants to terminate her perental rights, she should regardless of what the man wants, and he needs to move on. Same as if he wants to terminate his perental rights, he can and live the life he wants as if there were no baby, (no visitation, no child support etc) then the woman would have to deal with it and move on.

Denikka - posted on 11/25/2012

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I realize that Jazmyne :) I was just addressing what Jen said.

But it really should go both ways. If one wants the fetus carried to term and the other doesn't, no matter which sex wants which option. But at this point, reproductive rights CAN'T be equal. The option doesn't exist because one, the woman, is the one who has to deal with the physical consequences of carrying a pregnancy or the consequences of terminating.



Women and men both should (and in some places do) have the right to terminate their parent status, regardless of the other persons intentions.

If a woman wants to keep the baby and the man wants to abort, he can sign over his rights.

But if a man wants to keep the child and the woman chooses to abort, too bad, so sad.



What I believe in is equal rights in regards to terminating or continuing a pregnancy. That's not an option at this point. It all falls in together though.

Jazmyne - posted on 11/25/2012

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Denikka I was refering to the man 'terminating' his rights to a child he didn't want

Denikka - posted on 11/25/2012

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I agree Jen.

I think the toughest thing about the situation is when the man wants the child and the woman chooses to abort. But what can you do? It's her body, her taking the risks, her health, etc that's all effected for the rest of her life.



As I've also said before, until the point where there is an artificial womb to give men the option to continue a pregnancy, and a safe way to transplant an already implanted fetus, there has to be a certain amount of inequality in regards to reproduction.

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What I've said before is that the current status of women almost automatically receiving custody is the direct result of the pendulum effect. You see up until the mid 40s, it was exactly the opposite. Men had every right to remove the children from the family home and go wherever he wanted. Women simply did not have the rights that men did. This is why I am so strong about equal rights. Unfortunately though the pendulum has swung to far. Now we have the opposite. What we should be working for is equality in all courts. Especially in family court. A person's gender should not be the deciding factor in family court. It should be whichever parent is the best equipped to be the custodial parent.



As to abortion, here I do have some issues. I cannot agree with letting anyone force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term. It just sits wrong in my gut. Yes, it's hypocritical but I can't think of any other position.

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