michigan is screwed

Rosie - posted on 03/14/2011 ( 17 moms have responded )

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so, i understand this is a liberal talk show host, and yes she embellishes and incites a bit of fear....but everything i've found on this says it's true. i can't believe what i am hearing here. anybody agree with this?

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Isobel - posted on 03/15/2011

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Yeah, no, we understand that it's not ONLY old people and poor people that are being taxed more in order to pay for the tax cuts to the corporations. We're just saying that poor people and old people DESERVE those "cuts"



By the way...I certainly hope you aren't one of those people who insisted that Obama was raising taxes on the upper 1% (as opposed to letting cuts expire), cause that's a fun game of semantics...when it's poor people, it's letting cuts expire...but when it's rich people, it's a job killing tax hike...I call bullshit.

ME - posted on 03/14/2011

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I heard about this emergency financial manager bill yesterday...nothing like a little covert classism/racism...after all those poor brown people are failing at running their cities because they can't handle the work, not because we are giving all the money in the country away to corporate interests, millionaires and billionaires! (head/desk)...

Jenni - posted on 03/14/2011

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Just Michigan? This is an experimental bill. If they can manage to pass it in Michigan it just paves to road for future bills of this sort. Where corporations and their small interest agenda replaces human beings.

The taxing of the poor and elderly is a smoke screen. The real agenda is to put politics directly in the hands of corporations.

If Religion (small interest) is suppose to be seperate from politics. Then certainly politics should be kept seperate from a company (small interests)!! We wouldn't put the Roman Catholic Church in charge of Dearborn because some Republican felt Dearborn officials weren't doing their jobs! I cannot wrap my head around this one.

This is one giant shitstorm when it comes to humanity, loaming. A Pandora's Box of pure evil will open up if this bill passes.



Thomas Jefferson—“I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”



Abraham Lincoln in 1864—“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. …corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.” (1864)



Theodore Roosevelt—“The citizens of the United States must control the mighty commercial forces which they themselves call into being.”



Woodrow Wilson—“Big business is not dangerous because it is big, but because its bigness is an unwholesome inflation created by privileges and exemptions which it ought not to enjoy.”



Franklin D. Roosevelt—“The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism—ownership of Government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.”



Dwight Eisenhower, farewell address—“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.”



And, lastly, a literary insight:



Theodore Dreiser—“The government has ceased to function, the corporations are the government.”



http://www.counterpunch.org/nader1101201...



As the news castor points out: "This is shock doctrine".

Dana - posted on 03/14/2011

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I think what Kelly is saying is it's okay to take away the elderly and poor tax breaks and then give them (more tax breaks) to the corporations. ;)

JuLeah - posted on 03/14/2011

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For the folks stating they are glad they don't live in Michigan .... remember what the great thinkers have said, "If even one person is enslaved, none of us are free"
It is happening in Michigan .... think it can't happen in your state? It is common place in some countries, we can't let it become common place here.

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Brandi - posted on 03/15/2011

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that is ridiculous!! As if elderly people and poor people don't already have it bad enough.. this is insane.

Erica - posted on 03/15/2011

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OMG REALLY??! What really got my butt was "poor people" - what about the "Rich People" that is soooo bs! I'm glad I'm out of that state!!!



Edit* - After breathing a little and reading the comments, I still think it's bs all around. He shouldn't be giving the businesses more money, cause frankly- they used the money to give people bonuses, they didn't fix their crap. I wonder how Michigan is going to fare on this if it were to be passed...wonder how many people would leave...

Katherine - posted on 03/14/2011

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I know, it's awesome, I live there.
And I thought Granholm was bad. Why not tax cigarettes again? Or booze? Why this?

Rosie - posted on 03/14/2011

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i don't think anybody said they shouldn't be taxed? but more than corporations? trickle down doesn't work, never has never will.

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HaHa, Dana! That's hilarious!

Actually, what I said was that they are NOT taxing ONLY the poor and seniors, they are taxing them AS WELL AS many other demographics. The show in question is a liberal "news" outlet that is known for embellishing the facts, leaving out important points, and fear mongering. So it only makes sense that she failed to mention the specifics of the tax breaks, and that the tax cuts being reversed would affect the rich along with the poor.
I do think it is okay to tax citizens, all citizens, if it will create jobs and increase revenue. It's simple economics. The poor and the old should not be immune to taxes solely because they are poor or old. We all pay taxes to support a common standard of living....isn't that what I'm always hearing preached on here?

JuLeah - posted on 03/14/2011

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This situation makes me want to set off in a little boat to a new land, annihilate everyone living there and establish my own government based on freedom … no wait, that's been done.

Well, now I just sound sarcastic. But really ... what do they keep telling us America is all about?

Bondlets - posted on 03/14/2011

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I have to admit that the idea of having someone or a firm/company come in and "clean house" in a financial emergency is appealing. I'm not saying it is right or should actually be done but many times I have wished someone would come in to my small town (I live in AZ) and boot out the idiots who continue to vote on spending measures that make no sense, especially when the budget is in the shape it is. Here's the latest vote for my town: 156 trees for landscaping (we live in the desert, people...think about this.,.) and a huge community pool. They have no idea how this pool will be funded but "trust that the community will come through." They need to be fired yet they continue to serve term after term (how, I have no idea). To have someone come in who is not affiliated with the community and get things under control is tempting to support...

These are desperate situations and I can understand desperate measures being taken. Just not sure I agree with how this one is shaping up. I need more information than what this clip is providing.

Rosie - posted on 03/14/2011

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you really think taxing the poor and elderly 1.7 billion dollars and giving 1.8 billion to corporate businesses in the form of tax breaks, is a good thing?

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They are not raising taxes on only the poor and seniors, they are doing away with tax cuts that many poor people and seniors qualified for as well as many rich and middle class people. The way she puts it, is that they are going to raise taxes only for the poor and old, which is simply untrue.

As for the tax cuts given to the businesses, they are meant to help businesses offset the cost of expansion and create jobs. They are very specific cuts to help generate jobs, which will in turn generate more income tax and more sales tax as people start buying more things with their new income, and thus help close the budget shortfall.

As for the financial emergency guidelines bit, that is crazy, and I am sure it will not pass. While the basis of the idea is good--provide financial guidance to financially faltering municipalities in the form of a financial consultant and blend smaller towns and district into larger ones to be managed by less people, the consultant is given too much power in the current version of the bill for it to pass.

Audrey - posted on 03/14/2011

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im not a democrat or republican(im independent) but wow! this is insane! glad i dont live in michigan!

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