Ministry of Health, New Zealand Government recommendation on NIP

Kylie - posted on 05/27/2011 ( 43 moms have responded )

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I just read this news report and I'm annoyed by it. I can’t believe a country like New Zealand would promote such a backwards view on breastfeeding in public. Not to mention the 6 months part.
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/women-wa...
"The advice from the Ministry of Health is for mothers to breast-feed for six months, and to either make sure breast-feeding is acceptable before visiting places or take a shawl to shield the breast while feeding."

I'm appalled, what do you girls think?

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Jodi - posted on 05/28/2011

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And yet apparently it is okay for me to sit there and watch some super obese person, who could barely walk, and whose stomach reached his knees, stuff his face full of chips while I was at dinner tonight, and no-one has a right to complain about that......and yet we have issue with a baby breastfeeding and people thinking it should be legislated against? See how fucked up the world is?

(sorry for the dig at super obese people.....my intention was to point out that we don't have to like it, that we should be tolerant, and if we don't like it, don't look).

Charlie - posted on 05/27/2011

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Lets have a look at the sickening and deadly bacteria found not only on every surface of a toilet , doors , sinks , taps , tiles , paper towels and toilet paper but also in the AIR .

Strep (streptococcus)
Staph (staphylococcus)
Scabies - Crabs - Pubic Lice
Gonorrhea
STIs, such as herpes.
Rotavirus
E. Coli which can cause food poisoning symptoms and even death
Pseudamonis which can cause skin infections
Streptococcus which can cause sore throats & blood poisoning
parasitic worms
Trichomoniasis
Vaginal Lice



what a lovely set of dining friends !

Jodi - posted on 05/27/2011

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You'd think, having two daughters, that he would be supporting women's rights for the sake of THEIR futures. Tell him that - all about how women's rights are going to give your daughters so many more opportunities than the past would have.

Mel - posted on 05/27/2011

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so my husband just said what if I dont want tos ee that while im eating my lunch, I said thats tough shit :P

Ez - posted on 05/27/2011

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Mel, if you're comfortable doing it, you should! I understand some women are just more modest, and that's fine. But you shouldn't NOT do it out of fear of public backlash. Now that you have the information, if anyone were to ever say anything, you can simply tell them that your right to BF in public is protected by law, and they can kindly look the other way if they wish.

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Charlie - posted on 05/28/2011

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I still wonder what the fuck are wrong with adults who cannot tolerate a baby eating *shrug* ...... Did their maturity and empathy come to a screaming halt at 10 ?

Then again I know plenty of teens and tweens ( children of friends ) who have no problem with it what so ever and are also capable of NOT staring .... No child should HAVE to be secluded because the minority in the public have their own issues to deal with , If a mother wants to feed in a feeding room by CHOICE then they should but they should never be forced .

I am glad I have never lived where people judge , I am also glad I am able to live without bowing down to others possible judgement ( and so far there hasnt been any )

Ez - posted on 05/28/2011

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Mel, I have to wonder if you're projecting your husband's attitude towards BFing onto the rest of the general public? You might actually be surprised how tolerant people of you feeding your baby.

Mel - posted on 05/28/2011

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I did speak with him about this today ladies and we said that if your talking about equal rights thne it should be equal with everything, like custody battles etc , and also said that sure its a baby's right but thats what the feeding rooms are for etc etc...he pretty much went over everyting that was already on the last debate without even knowing what Id said lol. Oh well Im not 100% sure how I feel on it anyway, but Im definately more inclined to give it a shot, if I feel comfortable enough doing it we will see

Emma - posted on 05/28/2011

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In ENG it is unlawful to ask a women to leave a public premises when bf. However, women still feel shy feeding as ppl stare and judge and tut, etc...I feed my little one in public however I do always take a shawl with me to be more discreet. I have had my fair share of feeding in the car though just because I didn't want the fuss of feeding in a supermarket or something like that. If someone asked me to cover p when feeding I would give them a piece of my mind, however I would probably be left embarrassed, therefore I cover up anyway to avoid confrontations.

Becky - posted on 05/28/2011

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Wow! I'm glad I live in a progressive country where breastfeeding is actually supported and encouraged!
Mel, that sounds downright oppressive to me. (to clarify, not your husband; what you were describing about being stuck in feeding rooms all the time any time you went out.) I can understand why women give up breastfeeding quickly if they feel they have to miss out on everything to go hide away and feed their baby!
On the topic of "not wanting to see that" - here's what happened to me just tonight. We were over at my parents to visit my brother and SIL who are in from out of town. All my siblings were there. My 20 month old wanted to nurse and was getting quite insistant about it. So I pulled up my shirt and let him nurse. My younger sister (who is a bfing mother herself), had to come over and look, she didn't believe he was actually bfing! She couldn't see a thing! So really, it's not like a bfing mother is letting it all hang out, if my sister can't even tell I'm bfing my toddler! And that was without a cover of any sort.

Rosie - posted on 05/27/2011

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what about your babies rights? she has the right to eat without being contaminated with gross bathroom spray or germs. and i'm sorry, but womens rights have gone to far?? oh lord mel, you need to whip that boy into shape!!

Charlie - posted on 05/27/2011

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Women's rights go too far and yet we are still not equal ? YEESH .



Anyway this about the baby's rights to eat when and where they like like any other human ......The old quote " your rights end where mine begin " covers this .

Mel - posted on 05/27/2011

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he just thinks womens rights go too far these days, but that said he wouldn't actually have a go at me for something like that,hes not that kind of person :D

Jodi - posted on 05/27/2011

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You tell him Mel. He can sit there and not eat then, that's HIS right.

Mel - posted on 05/27/2011

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thanks!! I might see if I can do it without feeling uncomfortable knowing that I couldnt get kickjed out of somewhere, and that sure would be nice when getting lunch or something. For me its the latch part that makes it hard trying to latch without everyone seeing but I can give it a shot

Jodi - posted on 05/27/2011

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I don't think it was ever illegal to breastfeed in public either, it was simply that there was no law to stop someone kicking you out of their establishment if they decided to.

Kylie - posted on 05/27/2011

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It is a non issue here. In Fremantle I often see mums breastfeeding at the park and in cafes. I breastfed in public and had one incident in 2006 when an older lady walked off in disgust because i was feeding my 12 month old daughter in a coffee shop,.Other than that i've had no problems, i've never been kicked out of anywhere. Mel, I recently saw a Muslim woman breastfeeding at the gateways shopping center out the front of Woolies. So dont feel like you have no choice but to end up in the loos.

Ez - posted on 05/27/2011

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I'm still surprised that WA is so far behind the rest of AUS in their public attitudes to BFing. I always thought Perth was one of the more progressive and modern cities in Aus. On the East Coast, BFing in public is a total non-issue. I have never heard of anyone receiving negative reactions, let alone being asked to leave the premises. Lucky, because I fed wherever I needed to - cafes, hairdressers, a wedding, etc. Good luck to someone who tried to tell me otherwise lol.

Jodi - posted on 05/27/2011

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Wow, I'm floored by this. I can't believe a Minister for HEALTH would not be wanting to encourage breastfeeding. Instead, he is making it into something that is shameful and must be hidden. Disgusting.



@ Mel:

Breastfeeding laws in WA have finally gone through parliament (I checked for you), so you now have the right to breastfeed in public without discrimination:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/...



I know I have said it before, but feeding or pumping in toilets is absolutely disgusting and can't be healthy for your baby, considering a flushing toilet emits a water vapour of bacteria that can float in the air for a few hours.....

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2...

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That's shocking! I know these things happen, but for a government to actually make a recommendation like that - I hope that's not catching on... On what's with the recommendation to nurse til 6 months?

Ez - posted on 05/27/2011

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I'm actually really surprised. NZ has a relatively strong home birth culture, with midwive-led care supported by the government and medical authorities. It seems bizarre that a country who recognises the benefits of natural, non-interventive birth could have this so ass-backwards :(

Rosie - posted on 05/27/2011

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i thought NZ would be a little more progressive than that!! that's really effed up.

Minnie - posted on 05/27/2011

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See, I view it as a breastfeeding relationship. And in that relationship are two parties. My needs are important too- we balance. So I cater to her needs by nursing her when we're out, and I take care of my needs to spend time with those I'm with and to not have my own food get cold. I hear about so many women not even attempting breastfeeding because they believe that they have to sacrifice their lifestyle in order to breastfeed. And it's a shame that they think that their needs don't matter. Yes, baby's needs are very important. But so are mom's. And if mom feels hassled and that she has to bend over backwards to breastfeed, she's not going to do it.

Lady Heather - posted on 05/27/2011

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I don't think it is selfish to be able to go into the world and have some effing lunch that isn't cold. Your job is to feed and care for your kid. That's it. It is not to cater to the whims of a few members of public. Why should they get to dictate where and when you can eat lunch? It's not the baby controlling you in this case. It's other people who aren't your responsibility and that has NOTHING to do with what your job as a mother is.

Mel - posted on 05/27/2011

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oh you can bet it was a nuisance, I wanted to give up so many times but I thought about my baby and how she deserved the best i was here to cater to her not to think asbout myself so if I spent most of my time in feeding rooms so be it. I went out to lunch I spent the whole time in feeding rooms mine went cold my husband ate alone, we go to the food court in shops on saturdays my husband and 3 yr old ate thier lunch I spent the whole time in feeding rooms, we go out food shopping I want to go to get out but the bbay is hungry and we are in feeding for 45 minutes and when Im done the food shop is almost finished, friends wedding had to breast feed in toilets, everywhere else feed in the car , adventure world, hot as hell feeding room where my baby and I both sweated too much to even finish the feed, so my hubby resented me breast feeding for a long time, but now its pretty easy when shes older, and I spoke to alot of people about it and they agreed its annoying but just something you do as a mother. I personally never knew otherwise that there was actualy people out there who breast fed in public. I felt like my family were taken away I couldnt spend time with them, but eventually came to grips with the fact that it was my job as a mother and I was selfish for ever thinking otherwise.

Lady Heather - posted on 05/27/2011

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See, that is just waaaaay too disgusting for me. I wouldn't eat in a public washroom. I spend as little time in those things as humanly possible.

I think greater acceptance definitely might help women who are uncomfortable. My sister was never able to breastfeed in public. She had to bring pumped bottles everywhere she went. She gave up breastfeeding after 6 months because it was such a nuisance to have to pump all the time. Maybe if people weren't all pissy about the whole thing she wouldn't have felt weird about it herself. Who knows? Fuck though, if I am able to breastfeed the next one, I'll do it wherever and whenever he/she needs it and the rest of the world can fuck off.

Mel - posted on 05/27/2011

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Ive fed my baby on a few occasions in toilets just standing up with the door locked, Ive also spent my fair share of time expressing in toilets while I was away in thailand mostly



edited to add I only fed her in toilets when I had no other choice, no feeding rooms

Mel - posted on 05/27/2011

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Quite honestly Im not sure anymore...I suppose my reaction initially to that thread was because the norm here seemed to be not to breast feed in public Ive only ever seen one person do it in the middle of the shopping centre, but then to find out that WA might be the only place who has this reaction to public feeding....Im not sure. Ive come to think that maybe if it were more accepted in public then I might even be comfortable myself doing it in public. I wonder what would happen if I started feeding in public st shops if Id be kicked out by security or what not. Im not sure if there should be laws about it, with a young baby especially. I feel very strongly about breast feeding and maybe if and when my baby is 1 or 2 and still feeding I will change my mind on the whole issue because quite honestly alot of these debates make me realise it shouldnt always have to be hidden. Boy Id love to live in a different country or state for a week and see how things are done

Lady Heather - posted on 05/27/2011

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I pity the fool who tries to kick me out of a restaurant for feeding my kid. That is absolute bullshit. What are you
supposed to do? Go sit on the fucking toilet?

I don't understand why anyone gives a shit. I rarely notice when a woman is breastfeeding around me.

Dana - posted on 05/27/2011

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I just simply do not understand the mindset that there's anything wrong with feeding your baby naturally! That's fine if you're uncomfortable with it Mel but, do you think these types of laws are justified?

Mel - posted on 05/27/2011

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Personally I would make sure its ok to breast feed but thats me. I thought alot about this in the other topic with regards to breast feeding in public and was surprised to find out that WA may have laws against breast feeding in public (I think from memory?) I personally had never and would never consider going to a cafe , park, shopping centre anywhere in front of people to breast feed I find it rather disrespectful so I would always go to a feeding room, but I also from what I understand from the other debate not every place has as many feeding rooms as we have in WA. SO Im slightly torn due to the fact that the baby is so young and that breast feeding is natural and good etc, but at the same time I understand people not wanting that done in public at thier cafe. I mean at least here in WA there has been a few cases of women kicked out of restaurants or off buses for breast feeding.

Minnie - posted on 05/27/2011

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See- that's what we were saying in the last NIP thread. If you can place an arbitrary limitation on nursing a two year old in public, what's to stop the limitation of a six month old?

Why not make women of babies of ALL ages hide or cover? Or how about NO NIP- you have to bring a bottle?

It's all or nothing and anyone who places limitations or requirements on a nursing dyad in public is doing their entire state and country a disservice in regards to public health.

Krista - posted on 05/27/2011

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I'm shocked. I'd always thought that NZ was more progressive than that.

Nikki - posted on 05/27/2011

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Your kidding, that's disgusting. What the hell is happening to the world.

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